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The saga continues.
1 posted on 03/15/2004 11:23:08 AM PST by neverdem
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PING
2 posted on 03/15/2004 11:24:26 AM PST by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
ping
3 posted on 03/15/2004 11:25:46 AM PST by nickcarraway
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To: neverdem
And they don't even get into homocystene.
4 posted on 03/15/2004 11:26:57 AM PST by nickcarraway
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To: neverdem
They never want to look at the big picture.
5 posted on 03/15/2004 11:27:35 AM PST by nickcarraway
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To: neverdem
Junk science to the rescue ! HAH!

If you study water long enough, you will find that IT CAN KILL!!

BAN WATER!! BAN SALT!! BAN FOOD!! AIR!! etc etc etc...

Stupidity knows no bouds.
6 posted on 03/15/2004 11:30:05 AM PST by steplock (http://www.gohotsprings.com)
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To: neverdem
I'm confused. I'm 40 and have tried to follow all of the rules for a healthy heart. Four weeks ago I had a heart attack. I guess I start eating cardboard.
10 posted on 03/15/2004 11:35:06 AM PST by TankerKC (Clogged Arteries and Still Smilin'!)
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To: neverdem
There is a "big picture" that consists of many variables. Scientific American magazine had a nice big article on it. You can't just look at these variables in isolation. We still dont know what is going on exactly.
12 posted on 03/15/2004 11:39:25 AM PST by Paradox (I have NO idea..)
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To: neverdem
Other things to worry about:

Asteroid Impact, Same Sex Marriage, Massive gamma ray burst from an outside the solar system event, BSE nvCJD, SARS, Smallpox, Ebola ,Flu- (human, bird, swine, duck, chicken), Salmonella, Carbs, Fat, Protein, Terrorists, Anthrax, Earthquakes, Volcanoes, Too little ozone, Too much ozone, Global warming, Global cooling, Global Warming Chaos, Pesticides, Deer ticks, Nerve gas, Dirty bombs, Haliburton, SUVs, Guns, Acid rain, Too much Rain, Too little Rain, Nuclear power, Non-nuclearpower, Nuclear war, Conventional war, Wind Turbines shredding endangered birds, Obesity, Starvation, BCS, The Yankees with A’Rod, NCAA Basketball Tournament Selections, Pit bulls, Rottweilers, German Shepherds, Huskies, Alaskan Malamutes ,Doberman Pinschers, Chow Chows, Great Danes, St. Bernards, Akitas, green ketchup, MRSA (Methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus), Pet spiders, Yard Sale Congestion, Red King Crabs, Shadow people, Cattle mutilations, Junk Science, Supersize fries, ”Our worst fears were confirmed”, steroids in baseball, microwave popcorn, HIV, Peak Oil, Cholesterol both LDL and HDL,...

So much to worry about...

17 posted on 03/15/2004 11:57:46 AM PST by Calamari (Pass enough laws and everyone is guilty of something.)
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To: neverdem
I wonder if this is being questioned because Atkins dieters have high levels of good cholesterol?
19 posted on 03/15/2004 12:01:20 PM PST by DannyTN
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To: neverdem
Bump
To read later
20 posted on 03/15/2004 12:02:24 PM PST by Fiddlstix (This Space Available for Rent or Lease by the Day, Week, or Month. Reasonable Rates. Inquire within.)
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To: neverdem
If you wait long enough what is good for you will eventually be bad for you and vice versa.
22 posted on 03/15/2004 12:03:58 PM PST by Uncle Hal
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To: neverdem
Want to kill yourself trying to AVOID HEART DISEASE?

Then just obey the Food Police and eat a VERY LOW-FAT DIET.

I've been cautioning my readers about this for years and now I'm even hearing agreement from the Chairman of the Nutrition Committee of the American Heart Association. Even he now admits that a very low-fat diet can be harmful to many people! So unless you've actually been tested and found to have a very specific condition called "pattern B LDL," be careful to get enough animal fat in your diet.

At this point patients often ask me,"But how can I keep my cholesterol down?" Well, maybe you should be more concerned about getting it higher. Because...

LOW CHOLESTEROL can be much deadlier than high cholesterol

Here too, even the American Heart Association is now admitting... LOW CHOLESTEROL CAN TRIGGER THE DEADLIEST KIND OF STROKE. It's called a "massive stroke," and it happens when blood vessels in your brain are so weak, they burst open. EVEN MODERATELY LOW CHOLESTEROL LEVELS can raise your risk of these strokes. By this, I mean under 200. Yet many doctors routinely prescribe cholesterol-lowering drugs if it's over 200!

No wonder the British Medical Journal recently announced:

"CHOLESTEROL SCREENING IS NOT WORTHWHILE!"

When they actually looked at the figures, guess what? Folks with lower cholesterol were just about as likely to develop heart disease as those with higher levels. It simply doesn't matter. So what's the real cause of heart disease? Well, for one thing:

Too little RED MEAT in your diet

See how pleasant real health can be? Your friends might say "YOU'RE NUTS," but the actual biochemistry behind my EAT LIKE A HUMAN diet is now endorsed by just about every serious heart researcher.

You see, of all the different substances they can measure in your blood, the deadliest risk factor for heart disease is not cholesterol, but a chemical called HOMOCYSTEINE. Because...

Cholesterol doesn't do diddly unless it "catches" on a ridge or a pit in your artery walls. And the secret cause of these "cholesterol traps" is homocysteine. Too much homocysteine and your arteries corrode like a rusty pipe.

But it's so easy to cut down your homocysteine levels! Three vitamins do the trick quickly, including vitamins B6 and B12. And by far the richest source of these vitamins is... You got it. Red meat. Per Dr. Douglass

23 posted on 03/15/2004 12:05:17 PM PST by shield
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To: neverdem
So, good is bad and bad is bad? Say it ain' so...


24 posted on 03/15/2004 12:10:06 PM PST by GalaxieFiveHundred
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To: Howlin; Ed_NYC; MonroeDNA; widgysoft; Springman; Timesink; dubyaismypresident; Grani; coug97; ...

Just damn.

If you want on the list, FReepmail me. This IS a high-volume PING list...

27 posted on 03/15/2004 12:16:45 PM PST by mhking
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To: neverdem
For years, doctors have been saying that to prevent heart disease, patients should pay attention to both the so-called bad cholesterol, or L.D.L., and the good cholesterol, or H.D.L. The good, they said, can counteract the bad.

First of all, there is no good or bad cholesterol. There is just cholesterol. There are, though, a variety of different lipoproteins which provide the name for and the description of various particles that contain cholesterol. These different particles represent different phases or parts of the system for maintaining cholesterol homeostasis. Relative differences in proportions between these lipoproteins (and in conjunction with various types of fat) have been associated with different disease states. The association is strong enough and the mechanisms are well-understood enough that generally one should aim to lower one's LDL (through diet and exercise first) and seek to elevate one's HDL (through diet and exercise). There could, though, be pathogenic reasons for low LDL or a high HDL levels: you could have a home incapable of being blown down by a tornado because it's already been burned down by lightning. In this case, its degree of imperviousness to wind damage is nothing to be happy about.
28 posted on 03/15/2004 12:17:07 PM PST by aruanan
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To: neverdem
Remember, if you want to look young and healthy like this guy:

then i have the perfect diet for you!
32 posted on 03/15/2004 1:29:09 PM PST by arielb
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To: neverdem
Bump for later, got to heat up some turkey burger.
34 posted on 03/15/2004 4:06:59 PM PST by Springman
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