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Poll: Few Favor Same-Sex Marriage (new spin,trying to say should not be part of election)
CBS POLLS ^ | 3/16/2004 | CBS

Posted on 03/16/2004 7:38:33 AM PST by longtermmemmory

(CBS) Americans continue to oppose the idea of same-sex marriage and would support a constitutional amendment to ban it. Yet most do not feel that the issue should be part of the 2004 Election campaign, or that it is important enough to warrant the effort to change the Constitution – though opponents of same-sex marriage believe that it is.

In fact, opponents are much more likely to view same-sex marriage as an issue that will make a critical difference in how they vote in November, and that group currently supports George W. Bush.

SAME-SEX MARRIAGE

A constitutional amendment that would allow marriage only between a man and a woman has the support of nearly six in ten Americans. 35% oppose such an amendment. In December 55% favored changing the Constitution to prohibit same-sex marriages.

CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT THAT WOULD ALLOW MARRIAGE ONLY BETWEEN A MAN AND A WOMAN

Now Favor 59% Oppose 35%

12/2003 Favor 55% Oppose 40%

Many people make a distinction between same-sex marriage and civil unions, which would provide same-sex couples some legal rights. Although fewer than one-fourth of Americans think gay and lesbian people should be allowed to marry, there is larger support for permitting civil unions. All in all, over half of Americans support some type of legal status for same-sex couples who wish to make a long-term commitment. 40% think same-sex couples' relationships ought to have no legal recognition.

SAME-SEX COUPLES SHOULD BE ALLOWED: To legally marry 22% To form civil unions 33% No legal recognition 40

On both these questions - opposition to same-sex marriage and support for a constitutional amendment that would ban it - Republicans and Democrats have different views. 77% of Republicans favor a constitutional ban, while Democrats are more divided on the issue, with 52% in favor and 44% opposed. Most Republicans think there ought to be no legal recognition for gay and lesbian couples, while Democrats are more likely to say either marriages or civil unions should be permitted.

56% of liberals oppose an amendment banning same-sex marriage, while 79% of conservatives favor one. Younger people are more accepting than those age 65 or older of same-sex relationships and same-sex marriage, though a majority in both age groups favor an amendment. 32% of Americans under 30 think gay and lesbian couples ought to be allowed to marry, compared to just 8% of those 65 and older.

In addition, African Americans oppose same-sex marriage and 67% of them favor the constitutional amendment.

WILL IT MATTER IN NOVEMBER?

Views on same-sex marriage may decide the candidate choice next November for 44% of voters. While 45% say they could vote for someone who disagrees with their position on that issue, almost as many – 44% - say they could NOT vote for a candidate who disagreed with them. This is especially true of voters who back the constitutional amendment, most of whom would not support a candidate who did not share their view.

However, most voters would prefer this issue not be a part of the election campaign. 65% say it should play no part in the contest, and only 14% think it should have a major role. Even 58% of voters who want a constitutional amendment do not think the issue should be part of the campaign.

SHOULD SAME-SEX MARRIAGE BE PART OF ELECTION CAMPAIGN? (Registered voters) Yes, major part 14% Yes, minor part 17% No 65

The President has stated that he wants a constitutional amendment defining marriage to be only between a man and a woman, and he already has the votes of most of those on his side who say it will be a voting issue. Among voters who support a constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage AND say it’s a voting issue to them, Bush leads Kerry 69% to 22%. Most of these voters are Republicans, so Bush support would be expected. Supporters of an amendment who say it’s not the determining issue in their vote favor Kerry, 49% to 41%.

African-American voters, many of whom say they are concerned about this as a voting issue, still overwhelmingly say they will vote for John Kerry.

This intensity of feeling among supporters of the constitutional amendment is clear when the question is phrased is terms of whether the issue is an “important enough issue to be worth changing the Constitution.” Overall, 56% think defining marriage as only between a man and a woman is not an important enough issue to warrant changing the Constitution. Yet most - 57% - who support the amendment think the issue merits a change to the Constitution.

There is no consensus about the role of government in this issue. 43% think laws regarding same-sex marriage and civil unions ought to be handled at the federal government level, and 44% think those issues are best left to state governments.

Feelings on this run contrary to traditional party ideologies: most Republicans want the matter handled by the federal government, but Democrats are more likely to prefer it be left to the states.

VIEWS ON HOMOSEXUALITY

Views on homosexuality shape views on same-sex marriage: those who believe that being gay or lesbian is a choice that one makes, rather than something a person does not choose, oppose same-sex marriage. And those on both sides of the issue are seen as fighting a larger fight about homosexuality itself, rather than just about the rights and the sanctity of marriage.

Americans divide on their view of homosexuality: 43% believe it is a choice that people make, and 41% believe it to be something that people cannot choose.

Of those who believe homosexuality is a choice, only 34% say gays and lesbians should be able to marry or form civil unions while 64% say same-sex couples should have no legal recognition. Among those who believe homosexuality is not a choice, 37% think same-sex couples ought to be permitted to marry, and another 41% think same-sex couples should be allowed to form civil unions, and just 17% say there should be no recognition at all.

Similarly, 77% of those who view homosexuality as a choice support the amendment, while those who think being homosexual is something that cannot be changed oppose it (although by a smaller margin).

Religiosity also plays a large role in how people view same-sex marriage. Three in four people who say religion is extremely important in their lives would favor a constitutional amendment prohibiting same-sex marriage, and three in five think there should be no legal recognition of same-sex relationships. But those who say religion is only somewhat or not important to them are much more accepting of same-sex marriage, and most would oppose a constitutional amendment.

VIEWS OF THE TWO SIDES

One of the most common reasons given against permitting same-sex marriage is that it will erode the status of traditional marriage. Yet few Americans think that is the real reason that people oppose it.

Asked to describe what they see as the main motivation behind those who oppose same-sex marriage, nearly three quarters of Americans – on both sides of the issue -- say that opponents’ motivations are mainly the belief that homosexuality is wrong, not concern over its impact on marriage.

REASON MOST PEOPLE WHO OPPOSE SAME-SEX MARRIAGE DO SO? Concern about effect on traditional marriage 16% Believe homosexuality is wrong 72%

Views of the motives of supporters of same-sex marriage are more mixed. 37% think supporters back same-sex marriage because they want to see gays and lesbians receive the same legal rights that other married people have. But nearly half – 48% - describe those who support same-sex marriage as striving to get society to approve of the way gays and lesbians live.

REASON MOST PEOPLE WHO FAVOR SAME-SEX MARRIAGE DO SO? To obtain legal rights for gays 37% To get society to approve of gays 482%

The opponents of same-sex marriage are more likely to view those who disagree with them as thinking of this as a general struggle for the acceptance of homosexuality and homosexuals. Among those who support same-sex marriage, 64% think they do so in order for gay and lesbian people to receive the same legal rights as heterosexuals have.

When it comes to the seriousness with which heterosexuals and homosexuals enter into long-term commitments, Americans see little difference. In fact, less than half think most couples of either group expect their arrangement to last forever.

Asked if people who get married expect their marriages to last forever, or expect to someday divorce, 47% said most people enter marriage expecting it to last forever. A different sample was asked this question of same-sex couples, and nearly the same number – 44% - said those same-sex couples expected their relationships to last forever. One-quarter had no opinion.

Nearly half the public knows a gay or lesbian couple that has been together more than a year, a factor that makes a difference in support or opposition to a constitutional amendment limiting marriage. 15% say they know such couples who are raising children. But only 8% of Americans know a same-sex couple who has received some kind of legal recognition of their status.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2004; children; civilunion; father; fma; gagagenda; gay; homosexual; issues; marriage; mother; poll; samesexmarriage
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To: longtermmemmory
REASON MOST PEOPLE WHO FAVOR SAME-SEX MARRIAGE DO SO? To obtain legal rights for gays 37% To get society to approve of gays 482%

That polling for you.

21 posted on 03/16/2004 9:18:01 AM PST by fml ( You can twist perception, reality won't budge. -RUSH)
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To: ChevyZ28
Did they actually mean 48.2%?

If so it is the only stat thats not a whole number - doesn't make sense.

22 posted on 03/16/2004 9:21:15 AM PST by fml ( You can twist perception, reality won't budge. -RUSH)
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To: Bamboo
Americans did not widely support abolition either. The cultural tide cannot be turned. We are witnessing an evolution of our constitution, and no amount of blustery pontificating can make black white.

(snicker)

Yeah...hopefully I'll see you at the bottom of that slippery slope; if the country survives.

Thats got to be the thing I hate most about liberalism...its constantly degrades and destroys everything in its path...like a cancer; and quite honestly, theres not a damn thing we can do about it, (barring the notion that JimRob recruits about 4-5 million more true blue Freepers) there is simply not enough people who give a damn to make a difference.

23 posted on 03/16/2004 9:22:57 AM PST by BureaucratusMaximus (Space for rent)
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To: fml
They're polling mostly liberals of course.
24 posted on 03/16/2004 9:23:29 AM PST by Trillian
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To: WhiteyAppleseed
The Bible takes a clear stand against murder, too. Does that mean any law against murder is prohibited by the 1st Amendment?

By the by, the 1st Amendment states, in part, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion..."

AN establishment, not the establishment. AN is singular, while THE is all encompassing. Therefore, if a law respects ALL major (ie, non-crackpot 'worship dog doo' religions) religion, then it can be construed as Constitutional.

See, I can parse words too!
25 posted on 03/16/2004 9:30:21 AM PST by ex 98C MI Dude (Proud Member of the Republican Attack Squad)
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To: Trillian
actually CBS claims they are randomly selecting numbers. According to their own site they randomly select the phone exchange and then random dial the last four numbers. Of course this does not say they don't predominantly call gorezone exchanges.

They "say" its all random and does not rely on a list.

26 posted on 03/16/2004 9:31:31 AM PST by longtermmemmory (Vote!)
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To: ChevyZ28
simple example: your 1st amendment right does not protect your right to yell "fire" in a crowded theater. An absolutist would say it does.

The left is using the letter of the law to violate the spirit of the law. (seperation FROM chruch and state comes to mind too.)

Society has a vested interest in encouraging the model which perpetuates society most. Homosexuals are free to have whatever sex partners, cohabitation contracts, palimony agreemnts, they desire in private. In the PUBLIC arena of marraige, their PRIVATE sex acts do not have standing.

If anything this poll show the shift in homosexual tactics. First it was just loooooove and feeeelings. Then is was just religous hatred. Now its, voters don't reeeeeealy feeeeeeel it matters.

The fact that its now 59% accordig to CBS suggests that the homosexual media useful idiots are not succeeding in their propaganda.

27 posted on 03/16/2004 9:45:30 AM PST by longtermmemmory (Vote!)
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To: longtermmemmory
Veerrrry in-te-res-ting!
28 posted on 03/16/2004 9:48:08 AM PST by talleyman (John Kerry won the Al Quaeda primary.)
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To: fml
or they forgot to drop the .2% or its actually 4.82%

I suspect its the 48% who support homsexual marriage want to make homosexuality normal.

(bet that will thrill all the single feminist mothers. It will make their destruction of sons complete.)
29 posted on 03/16/2004 9:53:00 AM PST by longtermmemmory (Vote!)
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To: longtermmemmory
I agree. Not all speech is protected. Though, there are those who think so.
30 posted on 03/16/2004 9:54:47 AM PST by ChevyZ28 (We can make the plans of our heart, but the final out come is in God's hands.)
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To: ChevyZ28
it boils down to time place and manner.

Homoesuxality is equally limited as it is a private act.

There has never been a sex act test for marriage.
31 posted on 03/16/2004 9:57:48 AM PST by longtermmemmory (Vote!)
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To: fml
My question regarding the 482% was more than anything a rhetorical one. My whole post was intended to be sarcastic, I just forgot the tag. However, you are right, the 48.2% number is not one than makes sense, given the whole article stayed with whole numbers.
32 posted on 03/16/2004 10:01:57 AM PST by ChevyZ28 (We can make the plans of our heart, but the final out come is in God's hands.)
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To: rogueleader
I think we can safely say the economy is not going to tank. The economy is in fact growing now.
33 posted on 03/16/2004 10:05:08 AM PST by ChevyZ28 (We can make the plans of our heart, but the final out come is in God's hands.)
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To: longtermmemmory
Personally, I am sickened by the fact our society has degenerated to the point we are even having to discuss whether or not same genders should be allowed to marry. This is a very sad testament to our society.
34 posted on 03/16/2004 10:10:25 AM PST by ChevyZ28 (We can make the plans of our heart, but the final out come is in God's hands.)
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To: longtermmemmory
The tyranny of the majority is NEVER a basis for law, and should be guarded against. Thomas Jefferson said so, and I'll take his word over... well... the current leadership, if you will. Nor is the tyranny of the majority a basis for mutilating our precious Constitution. That's where the "7/10 oppose it" argument falls down.

So does the "it's an ancient institution" argument. Guess what? So was slavery. So is murder and torture. Next argument? Oh, you don't have anymore?

Basically, all that's left is that heterosexuals won't feel as "Special" ad they did before. Guess what? Feeeeeeeeelings don't dictate public policy, nor should they. If you want special rights, move to a commie country and make friends with the "Generalissimo". I'm sure you'd like it better there.

35 posted on 03/16/2004 10:16:51 AM PST by RockandRollResurrection
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To: longtermmemmory
Homosexuals are free to have whatever sex partners

Thanks to our wonderful supreme court. Thank you, Justice O'Connor! God bless America!

36 posted on 03/16/2004 10:20:04 AM PST by RockandRollResurrection
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To: jwalsh07
When is PravdABDNC going to tell the truth about the health risks of homosexuality. Homo men have a 1 in 4 chance of getting AIDS while hetro married men and women is under 1 in a million. Homo men live 25 years less than hetro with far less health. If this was tobacco it would be outlawed.

Pray for W and The Truth

37 posted on 03/16/2004 10:24:48 AM PST by bray (Hey Yaaaawn, can we hear some war stories???)
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To: ex 98C MI Dude
Therefore, if a law respects ALL major (ie, non-crackpot 'worship dog doo' religions) religion, then it can be construed as Constitutional.

(This is probably your strongest argument.) This country was settled by people looking to exercise freely the religion of their choice. The First mandates government neutrality between religion and religion and religion and non-religion. The commandments tell us we are not to covet our neighbor's manservant or maidservant. The commandments remind us that they are from the Lord, our God, who brought the people ouf of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.

Why then, do people insist on government taking a hand in every grievance they have with their neighbor? And why do people insist that government address things better left alone? Why, in short, are people willing to allow government more control?

Congress shall make no law...prohibiting the free exercise thereof. You could perhaps argue that by banning homosexual marriage, the government is not interferring with the exercise of anyone's religion. You could not argue that an elected official could perform same-sex marriages under the canopy where commandments have been removed.

I'm not yet convinced that either a ban, or legalizing it, would be consistent with the 1st. The issue cannot be divorced from the issue of free exercise of religion.

38 posted on 03/16/2004 10:48:38 AM PST by WhiteyAppleseed (God will sort them all out come wash day.)
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To: longtermmemmory
Overall, 56% think defining marriage as only between a man and a woman is not an important enough issue to warrant changing the Constitution. Yet most - 57% - who support the amendment think the issue merits a change to the Constitution.

Huh? Anyone have a clue what this means?

39 posted on 03/16/2004 1:40:39 PM PST by Lorianne
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To: Bamboo
"The cultural tide cannot be turned."

Sure it can. When the tide is going in a direction that the majority of Americans feel strongly against.

40 posted on 03/16/2004 1:44:47 PM PST by MEGoody (Kerry - isn't that a girl's name? (Conan O'Brian))
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