Hillary Short-circuited JFK Jr. Senate Run

Newsmax ^ | 3/17/03 | Limbacher

[Tumbleweed_Connection]

Before he died in a tragic plane crash in July 1999, John F. Kennedy, Jr. was weighing a decision to run for Senate in New York. But according to a new book, then first lady Hillary Clinton short-circuited the plan by declaring her interest in the same office.

"John watched with growing dismay as Hillary subtly insinuated herself into what he considered his state," Laurence Leamer writes in "Sons of Camelot."

Leamer says Kennedy was considering abandoning his job as publisher of George Magazine to make his first run for office - and had begun polling on the prospect of replacing then incumbent Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan.

Fox News chief Roger Ailes - a one-time GOP strategist - was sounded out on the idea of a Kennedy run. And according to the New York Post, he concluded that Kennedy would be "a viable candidate."

But when Hillary signaled she wanted to make the run herself, Kennedy quietly shelved the idea.

"He was too much of a gentleman" to object, Leamer told the Post.

Privately, however, the heir to the Kennedy political dynasty was "upset" that Mrs. Clinton had elbowed him out of the race, contends Leamer.

[Wally_Kalbacken]

Don't get me wrong - I hope to read soon that Hillary is getting her pilot's license. I detest her.

[ambrose]

Hitlery left nothing to chance.

[Ditter]

Remember after the crash, all the ugly rumors about JFK jr's marriage trouble & his wife's drug use? Was there any truth to that?

[GraceCoolidge]

I cannot imagine anyone else who could have failed the bar so many times (I think it was three), still kept his job as a prosecutor in NYC, had a pretty undistinguished career there, been deterred from an acting career by his mother, gone on to run a magazine that by all accounts was on its last legs, and then have been determined to be Senate material. Even if he was a "sharp and intelligent man," that hardly makes him a viable Senate candidate. His primary qualification was being the son of Kennedy... in fact, since his death I've seen articles pining for a Caroline Kennedy Schlossberg candidacy. It's strange to me that the Democrats, for all their talk about President Bush's family advantages, etc., think that being a Kennedy automatically qualifies you for public office. To me, it is the height of arrogance... JFK, Jr. deciding to take the Senate office that apparently was deemed his birthright. No matter how intelligent, the man had a pretty undistinguished legal career and a mediocre publishing career at best. As for failing the bar so often, you are right that it doesn't actually prove anything; however, I also keep in mind the advantages JFK, Jr., had in taking it. He didn't have to work full time, worry about paying his bills or keeping his job if he failed, he could afford any tutor or bar review course he wanted...

[ALOHA RONNIE]

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JFK Jr = Worried about HILLARY (Author Laurence Leamer)


http://www.Freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1097731/posts
(3-14-2004)


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[CyberAnt]

Way too many for it to be coincidental!

[cajun-jack]

ask senator wellstone, he is in a position to take a head count.

[Donna Lee Nardo]

Excellent thread; thanks so much for the link ping! ;)

[Donna Lee Nardo]

See Aloha Ronnie's excellent post here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1097731/posts

[Joy Angela]

The weather reports on the day of the crash were also supposedly "wrong" and the media fed us the line that JFK Jr. had reports of clear skies, but the FAA "tape" was playing the wrong tape...because "really" the skies were overcast and cloudy!

We all bought into that...

But, here's the truth. The skies WERE clear.

I saw a website that showed the weather for that day, and this means the "report" of the wrong FAA tape was ...yes, I'll say it...a coverup.


Dear JFK Jr. What made you crash that day?

Are you looking down from Heaven?

When you see Hillary Clinton do you see
the same Evil that killed your father?

[Rebelbase]

"Took 4 tries to pass the NY Bar"

And they call the guy who placed last on his medical boards "Doctor" too.

[chickens]

Before this thread, It never even occurred to me that Hillary stood to gain from JFK Jr.'s death. That's the problem with the Clintons. There are two if them. One is diurnal, and the other, nocturnal. They're at it 24-7. They don't have to work to hard either. They have mega-bucks, and a slew of dirty underwear boys and girls, who either owe them favors, or could be bought, and or do their bidding for any number of reasons. What they did today, won't be clear for years, if ever. The whole thing would make a great coat-of-arms though, a great two-headed black snake, rising from a pile of dirty laundry -- coiled around a broken alarm clock, some interns, and eight smashed model airplanes.

[CyberAnt]

I loved how Hillary and Bill showed up at that last minute at Jr.'s funeral .. UNINVITED!!

Hmmmm? Guilt?

[leadpenny]

I remember the day's weather. It persisted all along the east coast. It was a typical hazy, hot and humid afternoon, only maybe worse than normal. I've flown that route out of Newark many times. He took off out of Teterboro, I believe. To me there is no mystery other than the permanent grin it put on Hillary's mug.

JFK Jr. got behind the aircraft on decent and developed spacial disorientation (vertigo) from which he was unable to recover and three people died.

He took off at sunset. By the time he got above the temperature inversion it would have still been bright and very clear. The Sun at his back would have appeared higher in the sky than when he took off. The temperature inversion level below and scud below that would have looked like the surface of a frozen, snow covered lake. When he started down things would have happened very fast. Flying away from the sun, it would have gotten dark very quickly as he descended into the haze layer. An experienced pilot would have automatically transitioned to instrument flight. I believe JFK Jr. was still flying by the seat of his pants. Within in minutes (maybe less) he was in a turn that his mind refused to believe. It only got worse as he failed to recover, stalled, and spiraled out of control into the water.

[leadpenny]

Some interesting reading here: http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20001212X19354&key=1

The noninstrument-rated pilot obtained weather forecasts for a cross-country flight, which indicated visual flight rules (VFR) conditions with clear skies and visibilities that varied between 4 to 10 miles along his intended route. The pilot then departed on a dark night. According to a performance study of radar data, the airplane proceeded over land at 5,500 feet. About 34 miles west of Martha's Vineyard Airport, while crossing a 30-mile stretch of water to its destination, the airplane began a descent that varied between 400 to 800 feet per minute (fpm). About 7 miles from the approaching shore, the airplane began a right turn. The airplane stopped its descent at 2,200 feet, then climbed back to 2,600 feet and entered a left turn. While in the left turn, the airplane began another descent that reached about 900 fpm. While still in the descent, the airplane entered a right turn. During this turn, the airplane's rate of descent and airspeed increased. The airplane's rate of descent eventually exceeded 4,700 fpm, and the airplane struck the water in a nose-down attitude. Airports along the coast reported visibilities between 5 and 8 miles. Other pilots flying similar routes on the night of the accident reported no visual horizon while flying over the water because of haze. The pilot's estimated total flight experience was about 310 hours, of which 55 hours were at night. The pilot's estimated flight time in the accident airplane was about 36 hours, of which about 9.4 hours were at night. About 3 hours of that time was without a certified flight instructor (CFI) on board, and about 0.8 hour of that was flown at night and included a night landing. In the 15 months before the accident, the pilot had flown either to or from the destination area about 35 times. The pilot flew at least 17 of these flight legs without a CFI on board, of which 5 were at night. Within 100 days before the accident, the pilot had completed about 50 percent of a formal instrument training course. A Federal Aviation Administration Advisory Circular (AC) 61-27C, "Instrument Flying: Coping with Illusions in Flight," states that illusions or false impressions occur when information provided by sensory organs is misinterpreted or inadequate and that many illusions in flight could be caused by complex motions and certain visual scenes encountered under adverse weather conditions and at night. The AC also states that some illusions might lead to spatial disorientation or the inability to determine accurately the attitude or motion of the aircraft in relation to the earth's surface. The AC further states that spatial disorientation, as a result of continued VFR flight into adverse weather conditions, is regularly near the top of the cause/factor list in annual statistics on fatal aircraft accidents. According to AC 60-4A, "Pilot's Spatial Disorientation," tests conducted with qualified instrument pilots indicated that it can take as long as 35 seconds to establish full control by instruments after a loss of visual reference of the earth's surface. AC 60-4A further states that surface references and the natural horizon may become obscured even though visibility may be above VFR minimums and that an inability to perceive the natural horizon or surface references is common during flights over water, at night, in sparsely populated areas, and in low-visibility conditions. Examination of the airframe, systems, avionics, and engine did not reveal any evidence of a preimpact mechanical malfunction.

The National Transportation Safety Board determines the probable cause(s) of this accident as follows:

The pilot's failure to maintain control of the airplane during a descent over water at night, which was a result of spatial disorientation. Factors in the accident were haze, and the dark night.

Full Narrative here: http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief2.asp?ev_id=20001212X19354&ntsbno=NYC99MA178&akey=1

[metesky]

Being socially charming and witty with the women is far different from having the skills required to pass the bar.

The fact is that reporting on his exams precedes the Clintigula arrival on the national scene. Spy Magazine reported at the time that his fourth and successful try was taken alone in an upstate judge's office.

How many candidates for the bar get that treatment?

JFK Jr did not have the drive and will that his father had. Sr. would have arranged for screaming headlines in all the NY papers denouncing the interloper and would have managed to have someone named "Hilly C. Linton" placed on the ballot.

[metesky]

If conditions are right it can indeed be "clear" in NY and Boston and the Islands shrouded in fog at the same time.

[chickens]

I think that's exactly what happened too -- vertigo. Here's the rub though. JFK Jr. wasn't so inexperienced that he wouldn't have gone to instruments, had the fog layer lasted any longer than a few seconds. My intuition then, as now, says something other than inexperience prevented him from doing just that. JFK Jr. knew his aircraft was no ultralight. He had all the instrumentation right there -- unless those gages weren't lit or had otherwise failed. How easy is it to tamper with something as basic as cockpit lighting devices -- something as simple as a fuse?

[Pagey]

Thanks for that thorough post!