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Hillary Short-circuited JFK Jr. Senate Run
Newsmax ^ | 3/17/03 | Limbacher

Posted on 03/17/2004 9:40:17 AM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection

Before he died in a tragic plane crash in July 1999, John F. Kennedy, Jr. was weighing a decision to run for Senate in New York. But according to a new book, then first lady Hillary Clinton short-circuited the plan by declaring her interest in the same office.

"John watched with growing dismay as Hillary subtly insinuated herself into what he considered his state," Laurence Leamer writes in "Sons of Camelot."

Leamer says Kennedy was considering abandoning his job as publisher of George Magazine to make his first run for office - and had begun polling on the prospect of replacing then incumbent Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan.

Fox News chief Roger Ailes - a one-time GOP strategist - was sounded out on the idea of a Kennedy run. And according to the New York Post, he concluded that Kennedy would be "a viable candidate."

But when Hillary signaled she wanted to make the run herself, Kennedy quietly shelved the idea.

"He was too much of a gentleman" to object, Leamer told the Post.

Privately, however, the heir to the Kennedy political dynasty was "upset" that Mrs. Clinton had elbowed him out of the race, contends Leamer.



TOPICS: Front Page News; Politics/Elections; US: New York
KEYWORDS: hillary; jfkennedy; jfkjr
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To: Wally_Kalbacken
The party was firmly behind Nita Lowey. She had the chops. I doubt they would have backed Jr. just because, although I confess that I didn't follow this too closely. I would like to know though how they got the Rev. Al to sit it out.
41 posted on 03/18/2004 11:17:05 AM PST by wtc911 (Doesn't matter if your head is in the sand or up your a**, the view is the same.)
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To: leadpenny
I would hope this is the way it happened, as you stated. However, there was a FBI report on their web site for a very short period of time regarding JFK Jr's crash. The report stated bomb in luggage compartment, exploded at certain altitude. I will see if I can find that report.
42 posted on 03/18/2004 11:17:14 AM PST by shield
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To: shield
I will see if I can find that report.

Is this what you were looking for?

FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION PRELIMINARY REPORT ON THE RECOVERY OF PIPER SARATOGA AIRCRAFT OF JOHN F. KENNEDY, Jr.

1. No declassificatin until 7/22/2029.

2. This is in deference to the wishes of a senior member of the Kennedy family.

3. Also in deference to the order of the national government and in respect to certain foreign intelligence agencies having reciprocal agreements with the U.S.

4. POTUS order and national security findings attached.

5. The recovered aircraft shows evidence of an explosive device having been glued or affixed within the tail luggage compartment.

6. Device was apparently actuated by a barometric trigger. Radio signals not ruled out.

7. Tail of aircraft was dismembered from the plane making it front heavy.

8. Study of radar shows the plane fell in excess of 6,000 feet per minute up to radar cutoff.

9. Satellite images supplied by the National Reconnaissance Office record an outbursting flash from the aircraft just prior to it going into perpendicular descent.

10. Tail structure was dismembered just prior to descent.

11. Recovery of a piece of luggage from beyond the flight path of the aircraft correlates with it being hurtled out of the tail luggage compartment at outburst.

12. Preliminary examination of the aircraft shows residue of an explosive device the Laboratory identifies as being the type used by certain foreign intelligence agencies. Refer to POTUS order and findings.

13. Study of Air Traffic Control and other radio signals shows no Mayday report from the aircraft, explained by rapidity of descent.

14. Investigation and examination has been strictly compartmentalized.

15. A short, perfunctory examination of the recovered bodies was completed. Examination revealed that Carolyn Bessette Kennedy was in third trimester pregnant, the fetus a boy. The four bodies were transferred to a senior member of the Kennedy family. The Bureau was not informed whether the bodies were actually cremated. Indirect advisories report that the bodies may have been shipped in untagged containers to foreign destinations. Reliable assets are to submit reports.

43 posted on 03/20/2004 11:49:08 AM PST by acehai
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To: acehai
This is the most stunning post I have yet to see on any subject at all at FR!

Had been sucpicious of sabotage in JFK Jr. crash from almost immediately after it happened.

Assuming that the FBI is accurate - there is no reason do doubt it - the likely M. O. is that the sabateur did his dirty work by infiltrating the ground maintenance crew at the airport (presumably Teterboro) where the plane underwent "routine" pre-flight maintenance and inspection.
44 posted on 03/23/2004 11:10:56 AM PST by justiceseeker93
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To: leadpenny
after reading post #43, that bomb going off didnt help too much either.
45 posted on 03/23/2004 11:17:36 AM PST by isom35
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To: Walkingfeather
Numbers that large are usually denoted in scientific notation.
46 posted on 03/23/2004 11:25:34 AM PST by TXBSAFH (KILL-9 needs no justification.)
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To: isom35; acehai
I'd think twice before accepting at face value a memo that could have been typed by anyone and spammed all over the world. Need substantiation before I read it a second time.
47 posted on 03/23/2004 4:00:40 PM PST by leadpenny
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To: leadpenny
I'd think twice before accepting at face value a memo that could have been typed by anyone...

Most people do think twice...Maybe three times...You're correct...It could have been typed by anyone. But then again, it could be for real...Who's to say??? But until you can refute it, you might want to look into it further...What can it hurt? Huh?

48 posted on 03/23/2004 4:26:38 PM PST by acehai
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To: acehai
Okay, I'd start with this:

Where did you get it?

49 posted on 03/23/2004 4:29:35 PM PST by leadpenny
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
and probably screwed with his plane, too
50 posted on 03/23/2004 4:35:42 PM PST by The Wizard
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To: Wally_Kalbacken
Nail hit on head.
51 posted on 03/23/2004 4:37:27 PM PST by ServesURight (FReecerely Yours,)
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To: leadpenny
See Post #42. Kinda coincidental, ain't it?

Instrument flying is not rocket science, my friend.

It is not necessary to have an Instrument rating to take advantage of the miriad navigation facilities and aids that were available to JFK Jr. that night. You can ask for a "practice approach" any time, as long as VFR conditions are being reported. (1000 ft ceiling, 3 stat. mi. visibility)

My first instrument solo X-country was from Kansas City to Nashville and return with approaches to Cat I minimums on both ends. In a PA-32-300, the forerunner of the Saratoga. Without all the goodies that JFK had on board. No Autopilot, no GPS, no flight director...Just two Nav Coms and a transponder. Didn't even have an ADF. I had 200 hours of flight time, 10 in make and model.
52 posted on 03/23/2004 8:36:28 PM PST by acehai
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To: Walkingfeather
now how many political enemies of theirs have died in plane crashes?

Way too many for it to just be a coincidence. IMHO

53 posted on 03/23/2004 8:50:12 PM PST by WhirlwindAttack (Never fly if you've pissed off a Klinton)
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To: acehai
http://www.skolnicksreport.com/goldenboy4.html
54 posted on 03/23/2004 8:51:05 PM PST by gg188
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To: acehai; gg188
So, you've been in an airplane? Still not very helpful in getting my investigation off the ground. The link at #54 has what appears to be the identical document. No elaboration. Nothing to back it up.

I'll be the first to believe in conspiracy theories if there are even a few shreds of evidence. But you have yet to show me shred one. In fact, you're being evasive. Once more, where did you get the FBI "memo?"
55 posted on 03/23/2004 10:39:16 PM PST by leadpenny
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
A Kennedy being a deferential gentleman? I find that hard to believe.
56 posted on 03/23/2004 10:46:55 PM PST by LPStar
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To: leadpenny
So, you've been in an airplane?

Yep...More time flying Single Pilot IFR for a living than most...Thats why I contend that JFK, with a sophisticated 3-axis autopilot at his disposal and the training to use it, would have been using it in over-water operations at night.

Still not very helpful in getting my investigation off the ground.

What makes you think that I care whether your "investigation" gets off the ground or not?

The link at #54 has what appears to be the identical document. No elaboration. Nothing to back it up.

Isn't that amazing??? That's three allusions to a "FBI memo"...You missed the point of my entire post, it appears. The statement I was clarifying with my post was "However, there was a FBI report on their web site"...Why pick on me...Ask Skolnik. He probably got it the same place Shield and I had enough foresight to download it from...

But you have yet to show me shred one. In fact, you're being evasive.

And you are being obtuse and disingenuous. If you are truly "investigating" this issue, you must develop your own sources, not have them handed to you on a silver platter. Also, demanding information is not an effective investigational tool. Most people would tell you to pi$$ off. But not I..;)

57 posted on 03/24/2004 12:12:21 PM PST by acehai
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To: acehai
This is what you posted at your 48:

Most people do think twice...Maybe three times...You're correct...It could have been typed by anyone. But then again, it could be for real...Who's to say??? But until you can refute it, you might want to look into it further...What can it hurt? Huh?

That is exactly what I was trying to do - - look into it further . . .

So, it ends there. A bogus memo from some unknown website. Means nothing. No way I can prove a negative.

As for all of the equipment JFK jr. had on that airplane - it also means nothing. Once an inexperienced pilot gets behind an airplane in IFR conditions and refuses to believe anything but the seat of his pants, it usually has disastrous consequences. JFK jr. killed himself and two others after he developed the classic symptoms of spacial disorientation.

58 posted on 03/24/2004 1:34:39 PM PST by leadpenny
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To: leadpenny
That is exactly what I was trying to do - - look into it further . . .

Persistant chap, aren't you? NOT!

So, it ends there...No way I can prove a negative.

Why are you trying to prove anything at this point. If it means nothing, why are you trying so hard to discredit it?

As for all of the equipment JFK jr. had on that airplane - it also means nothing.

Spoken like a clueless pilot wannabe.

Once an inexperienced pilot gets behind an airplane in IFR conditions and refuses to believe anything but the seat of his pants, it usually has disastrous consequences.

The above, to the uninitiated, appears to be an accurate statement, and I would agree with it but for the following:

I said you were disingenuous...The three boldface items in your last statement prove I was correct.
1. JFK Jr. was NOT an inexperienced pilot... 300+ hrs. and Flight Safety training.
2. JFK Jr. was NOT in IFR conditions. (as the radar shows, and the FAA and NTSB report.)
3. Under the conditions prevailant that night, there would be no reason to have to "believe the seat of his pants." VFR weather, an autopilot to keep the airplane from turning, to command and fly a standard rate turn to heading, and the ability to fly a Coupled Approach as programmed.

JFK jr. killed himself and two others after he developed the classic symptoms of spacial disorientation.

The least you could do is preface this rediculous assessment with IMHO.

59 posted on 03/24/2004 2:27:36 PM PST by acehai
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To: acehai
Pilot wannabe, eh?

Three hundred hours does not an experienced pilot make. In anything.

I have that much time in helicopter instruments alone. I was an Instrument Flight Examiner before leaving the service and flew as a Commercial Airline Pilot. I have over 10,000 hours TT.

Technically you may be correct. He may not have been in IFR flight conditions but for all intents and purposes (descending from clear conditions into a thick inversion layer in darkening skies and over water with no visable horizon) his airplane was in instrument conditions and he wasn't.

BTW, have you read the full NTSB narrative I linked earlier in the thread? Put yourself in the recreation of the last moments of the flight. If it doesn't give you goose bumps, remind me to stay out of any airplane you may be piloting.
60 posted on 03/24/2004 3:02:15 PM PST by leadpenny
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