Posted on 03/17/2004 9:40:17 AM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection
Before he died in a tragic plane crash in July 1999, John F. Kennedy, Jr. was weighing a decision to run for Senate in New York. But according to a new book, then first lady Hillary Clinton short-circuited the plan by declaring her interest in the same office. "John watched with growing dismay as Hillary subtly insinuated herself into what he considered his state," Laurence Leamer writes in "Sons of Camelot." Leamer says Kennedy was considering abandoning his job as publisher of George Magazine to make his first run for office - and had begun polling on the prospect of replacing then incumbent Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan. Fox News chief Roger Ailes - a one-time GOP strategist - was sounded out on the idea of a Kennedy run. And according to the New York Post, he concluded that Kennedy would be "a viable candidate." But when Hillary signaled she wanted to make the run herself, Kennedy quietly shelved the idea. "He was too much of a gentleman" to object, Leamer told the Post. Privately, however, the heir to the Kennedy political dynasty was "upset" that Mrs. Clinton had elbowed him out of the race, contends Leamer.
Is this what you were looking for?
FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION PRELIMINARY REPORT ON THE RECOVERY OF PIPER SARATOGA AIRCRAFT OF JOHN F. KENNEDY, Jr.
1. No declassificatin until 7/22/2029.
2. This is in deference to the wishes of a senior member of the Kennedy family.
3. Also in deference to the order of the national government and in respect to certain foreign intelligence agencies having reciprocal agreements with the U.S.
4. POTUS order and national security findings attached.
5. The recovered aircraft shows evidence of an explosive device having been glued or affixed within the tail luggage compartment.
6. Device was apparently actuated by a barometric trigger. Radio signals not ruled out.
7. Tail of aircraft was dismembered from the plane making it front heavy.
8. Study of radar shows the plane fell in excess of 6,000 feet per minute up to radar cutoff.
9. Satellite images supplied by the National Reconnaissance Office record an outbursting flash from the aircraft just prior to it going into perpendicular descent.
10. Tail structure was dismembered just prior to descent.
11. Recovery of a piece of luggage from beyond the flight path of the aircraft correlates with it being hurtled out of the tail luggage compartment at outburst.
12. Preliminary examination of the aircraft shows residue of an explosive device the Laboratory identifies as being the type used by certain foreign intelligence agencies. Refer to POTUS order and findings.
13. Study of Air Traffic Control and other radio signals shows no Mayday report from the aircraft, explained by rapidity of descent.
14. Investigation and examination has been strictly compartmentalized.
15. A short, perfunctory examination of the recovered bodies was completed. Examination revealed that Carolyn Bessette Kennedy was in third trimester pregnant, the fetus a boy. The four bodies were transferred to a senior member of the Kennedy family. The Bureau was not informed whether the bodies were actually cremated. Indirect advisories report that the bodies may have been shipped in untagged containers to foreign destinations. Reliable assets are to submit reports.
Most people do think twice...Maybe three times...You're correct...It could have been typed by anyone. But then again, it could be for real...Who's to say??? But until you can refute it, you might want to look into it further...What can it hurt? Huh?
Where did you get it?
Way too many for it to just be a coincidence. IMHO
Yep...More time flying Single Pilot IFR for a living than most...Thats why I contend that JFK, with a sophisticated 3-axis autopilot at his disposal and the training to use it, would have been using it in over-water operations at night.
Still not very helpful in getting my investigation off the ground.
What makes you think that I care whether your "investigation" gets off the ground or not?
The link at #54 has what appears to be the identical document. No elaboration. Nothing to back it up.
Isn't that amazing??? That's three allusions to a "FBI memo"...You missed the point of my entire post, it appears. The statement I was clarifying with my post was "However, there was a FBI report on their web site"...Why pick on me...Ask Skolnik. He probably got it the same place Shield and I had enough foresight to download it from...
But you have yet to show me shred one. In fact, you're being evasive.
And you are being obtuse and disingenuous. If you are truly "investigating" this issue, you must develop your own sources, not have them handed to you on a silver platter. Also, demanding information is not an effective investigational tool. Most people would tell you to pi$$ off. But not I..;)
Most people do think twice...Maybe three times...You're correct...It could have been typed by anyone. But then again, it could be for real...Who's to say??? But until you can refute it, you might want to look into it further...What can it hurt? Huh?
That is exactly what I was trying to do - - look into it further . . .
So, it ends there. A bogus memo from some unknown website. Means nothing. No way I can prove a negative.
As for all of the equipment JFK jr. had on that airplane - it also means nothing. Once an inexperienced pilot gets behind an airplane in IFR conditions and refuses to believe anything but the seat of his pants, it usually has disastrous consequences. JFK jr. killed himself and two others after he developed the classic symptoms of spacial disorientation.
Persistant chap, aren't you? NOT!
So, it ends there...No way I can prove a negative.
Why are you trying to prove anything at this point. If it means nothing, why are you trying so hard to discredit it?
As for all of the equipment JFK jr. had on that airplane - it also means nothing.
Spoken like a clueless pilot wannabe.
Once an inexperienced pilot gets behind an airplane in IFR conditions and refuses to believe anything but the seat of his pants, it usually has disastrous consequences.
The above, to the uninitiated, appears to be an accurate statement, and I would agree with it but for the following:
I said you were disingenuous...The three boldface items in your last statement prove I was correct.
1. JFK Jr. was NOT an inexperienced pilot... 300+ hrs. and Flight Safety training.
2. JFK Jr. was NOT in IFR conditions. (as the radar shows, and the FAA and NTSB report.)
3. Under the conditions prevailant that night, there would be no reason to have to "believe the seat of his pants." VFR weather, an autopilot to keep the airplane from turning, to command and fly a standard rate turn to heading, and the ability to fly a Coupled Approach as programmed.
JFK jr. killed himself and two others after he developed the classic symptoms of spacial disorientation.
The least you could do is preface this rediculous assessment with IMHO.
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