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N.M. Will Secede to New Nation, Prof. Says
Diversity Alliance for a Sustainable America / Albuquerque Tribune ^ | 02/17/00 | Frank Zoretich

Posted on 03/18/2004 11:24:24 AM PST by chronotrigger

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To: stop_fascism
People are not risking their lives trying to escape Mexico only to create a Northern Mexico. By and large, they want the freedom and economic opportunity for themselves and their children that are available here. Not there.

Just about the most cogent statement on the subject I've seen in a long time. Thanks.

21 posted on 03/18/2004 11:44:55 AM PST by TexasNative2000 (Can't we all just get a longneck?)
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To: chronotrigger
Charles Truxillo, ...foresees straddling the current border between the United States and Mexico.

Go straddle a burro.

22 posted on 03/18/2004 11:47:01 AM PST by DumpsterDiver
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To: chronotrigger
Charles Truxillo is living proof that fundamentalist mullas exist in other cultures beside Muslim. Beyond reason, or below reason, or outside reason.
23 posted on 03/18/2004 11:48:07 AM PST by RightWhale (Theorems link concepts; proofs establish links)
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To: chronotrigger
Some of the absolute best American citizens are those who are naturalized... they are citizens by choice, those born in the US are just citizens by accident...

unfortunately, the illegals are the second layer down from those who would be naturalized citizens, since they are either too lazy or too unskilled to go through the formal naturalization process.

24 posted on 03/18/2004 11:48:28 AM PST by chilepepper (The map is not the territory -- Alfred Korzybski)
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To: chronotrigger
The professor needs to realize the the United States is indivisible, and that secession from the Union is not permitted.
25 posted on 03/18/2004 11:50:26 AM PST by Lunatic Fringe (John F-ing Kerry??? NO... F-ING... WAY!!!)
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To: chronotrigger
Will Willie's bimbos need passports and work permits then when Bill ("the pimp") Richardson offers them employment in the new country to get them out of the spotlight on Willie's everlasting filth and corruption?
26 posted on 03/18/2004 11:50:37 AM PST by Tacis
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To: chronotrigger
"We will one day be a majority and reclaim our birthright by any means necessary and we shouldn't shy away."

This isn't a game and it's unfortunate that most people see it that way. What happened to the soviet union -(if soviet union had lasted much longer then the Russian population would have been a minority- that's one reason why it broke up so easily, the people in Russian didn't want to be in a country where they were the minority)-, Eastern Europe, and elsewhere could very well happen here. It's not just one side (Caucasians) being biased in favor of their own interests, it's all sides. It's human nature for most people to only associate with others like themselves. Take "Free Republic" for example - conservatives who want to talk to and be with other conservatives.

It's naive to say we are somehow better or more evolved than the other peoples of the world. We are just as susceptible to ethnic tensions as others. It's best to prevent them by having a reasonable border policy than to live to the day when we start fighting and killing each other.

27 posted on 03/18/2004 11:51:06 AM PST by chronotrigger (good pick up line- "my, that's the whitest white part of the eye I've ever seen, do you floss?")
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That's a true statement but the truth is that the MORE economically advanced states would be MUCH more likely to want to secede than the less economically advanced.

If NM and CO and CA and AZ get too many immigrants who think like Old Mexicans, then the economies of these states will lag behind the rest.

They will never leave as long as the can eat at the Washington DC buffet line on someone else's tab.

No way Jose'

28 posted on 03/18/2004 11:55:52 AM PST by keithtoo (W '04 - I'll pass on the ketchup-boy.)
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To: tm22721
New Mexico was only blue by a few hundred votes. And they magically found those votes during a recount. There were so many shenanigans going on during the last election. It was rather eye-opening for me as I, personally, was unable to vote because my voter registration was missing. Two/three weeks after the election, I received my registration card in the mail, despite the election officials saying they could not find my paperwork anywhere. (they would have received it over a month before.)
29 posted on 03/18/2004 11:57:34 AM PST by petitfour
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To: chronotrigger
People should have (and do have) the right of self determination. Succeeding at it however is difficult under present circumstances. History marches on. The USSR fell. The USA will also someday, for different reasons.
30 posted on 03/18/2004 11:59:05 AM PST by Protagoras (When they asked me what I thought of freedom in America,,, I said I thought it would be a good idea.)
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The professor needs to realize the the United States is indivisible, and that secession from the Union is not permitted.

Yes, but what if they do it anyway in 50 years? What do we do? Bomb them, take them over, nuke'm, ethnic cleansing? None of those options seem too acceptable to me. We should try to prevent it from happening rather than stopping it when it does occur. A sensible border policy (military on the border) would accomplish this.

31 posted on 03/18/2004 11:59:29 AM PST by chronotrigger (good pick up line- "my, that's the whitest white part of the eye I've ever seen, do you floss?")
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To: chronotrigger
Guess we're gonna' have to fight the "Battle of San Jacinto" all over again. REMEMBER THE ALAMO! REMEMBER GOLIAD!
32 posted on 03/18/2004 12:00:38 PM PST by Terry Mross
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To: keithtoo
They will never leave as long as the can eat at the Washington DC buffet line on someone else's tab.

In 80 years, that will no longer be possible. The tit will be dry, the people will no longer pay. Bloodshed is possible.

33 posted on 03/18/2004 12:01:48 PM PST by Protagoras (When they asked me what I thought of freedom in America,,, I said I thought it would be a good idea.)
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To: chronotrigger
I would not mind letting them have California- imagine Boxer, Pelosi, Lofgren, Waxman and Feinstein in Mexican Government- or let them try gay marriages.
34 posted on 03/18/2004 12:03:27 PM PST by Fast Ed97
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To: Lunatic Fringe
The professor needs to realize the the United States is indivisible, and that secession from the Union is not permitted.

Many fight the last war. Things change even if you don't want them to. It might happen, and probably peaceably if it does.

I would advocate most states secede from the union right now if they could.

35 posted on 03/18/2004 12:06:18 PM PST by Protagoras (When they asked me what I thought of freedom in America,,, I said I thought it would be a good idea.)
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To: chronotrigger
Truxillo, 47, has said the new country should be brought into being "by any means necessary."

But in a recent interview at a coffee shop near the UNM campus, Truxillo said it was "unlikely" civil war would attend its birth.

Nope ... I think they will not like this gringos reaction when this happens.

36 posted on 03/18/2004 12:07:36 PM PST by Centurion2000 (Resolve to perform what you must; perform without fail that what you resolve.)
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To: chronotrigger
I will have to recruit a band and offer my services to defend my former homeland from them. They will NEVER steal so much as an acre of The state of Jefferson!

For those unaware, Jefferson is the long postulated fussion of northern California & southern Oregon as a seperate state.
37 posted on 03/18/2004 12:09:29 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (The world needs more horses, and fewer Jackasses!)
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To: chronotrigger
THANKS FOR THIS.

We shall see what happens after the end of life as we know it.

They won't have 80 years.

The global government tyranny will arise and fall before that.

Still, I have no doubt these characters are more serious now than they were 35 years ago when I was in touch with plenty of serious folks at that time.
38 posted on 03/18/2004 12:09:36 PM PST by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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To: chronotrigger
Charles Truxillo, a professor of Chicano studies at the University of New Mexico, suggests "Republica del Norte" would be a good name for a new, sovereign Hispanic nation he foresees straddling the current border between the United States and Mexico.

I gather the trick will be to do this while the Democrats are in power in the US. Won't help. It'll still be Mexican War II. Same result as Mexican War I.

39 posted on 03/18/2004 12:10:42 PM PST by VadeRetro
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To: chronotrigger
What a moron. There would be a Republic of Texas again and they would reacquire NM and all the other lands they used to hold long before Texas ever joined NM and Clinton lackey--Bill Richarson in any movement.

40 posted on 03/18/2004 12:12:12 PM PST by rod1 (On the front line)
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