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Anti-Firearms Letter From Berkeley
Email from Berkeley | March 18th, 2004 | "C_____ J. W______" <c_____@berkeley.edu>

Posted on 03/18/2004 1:43:47 PM PST by Travis McGee

"C_____ _. W______" wrote:

I represent me only. This is a comment and my opinion.

I don't think the "foundering fathers" had AK-47 or automatic weapons on their minds when they gave American citizens the right to bare arms or when you quoted these individuals to sale your book.

To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them." "What is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials. ~George Mason, 1788

"On every question of construction, let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, and instead of trying what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, conform to the probable one in which it was passed." ~Thomas Jefferson, 1823

"That the said Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms..." ~Samuel Adams, 1788

"The people never give up their liberties but under some delusion." ~Edmund Burke

"Necessity is the plea of every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants, it is the creed of slaves." ~William Pitt, 1783

"The militia is our ultimate safety. We can have no security without it. The great object is that every man be armed." ~Patrick Henry

We give up our freedom every time we go into another country under the flag of democracy to kill the citizens of another country.

Do you think these people love their families less than Americans. Do you think they will forget. People love their families like you love your own.

Life is basic: to have food, shelter, drinkable water, medicine for the sick. Don't you think that if the world's poor had a choose they would chose to live in peace not war. Don't you think if American poor had a choice they would want just what you have, to provide for their families and enjoy the basics. Instead, we sale them guns to take their resources, we sale them war.

I am a veteran who volunteered no one had to draft me. I was born in this country and have traveled to other countries. I have had children and adult family members killed by guns. This is life long pain. It does not make you want to run out to buy a gun. That gun will not bring back one of my loved ones.

This week three American citizens were killed with AK-47 in Iraq. Do you think they may have bought these guns from the US.

It would be great if all Americans used muskets. The world would be a safer place for all of us to live.

There is a difference between automatic weapons of mass destruction on the streets and a musket in your home for your home protection.

If you are making a profit from the sale of these guns then of course your argument is for the (mass) production of these automatic weapons.

God bless


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: assaultrifles; bang; banglist; berkeley; guns; musket; secondamendment
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This email was sent to me, concerning the quotes by the Founding Fathers which I have posted on the "Enemies Foreign and Domestic" website's home page. It sounds as if CJW hasn't read the book beyond the home page. She included the quotes in her email to me, but then doesn't address them, beyond, "I don't think the "foundering fathers" had AK-47 or automatic weapons on their minds when they gave American citizens the right to bare arms or when you quoted these individuals to sale your book."

This is the email I sent back to her at Berkeley:

C______:

You fall into some of the basic traps of those who think that preventing the private ownership of arms will lead to a safer society. For example, your point about muskets being so much safer is totally wrong. When you factor in the medical care available in the musket era, muskets were MORE dangerous than today's rifles. Any wound at all with a musket usually led to a death in screaming agony in minutes to days. At best, limbs were amputated, and more than half of the time, they died anyway, also in screaming agony with no anesthesia. Today, bullet wounds are usually patched up in the majority of cases, with modern surgery, antibiotics, and anesthetics. So your "muskets were kind and gentle" argument is totally incorrect.

Even in 1780, folks owned "blunderbusses" for shooting geese, and for stopping robbers, rioters, and mutineers. A blunderbuss could fire over 100 chunks of rusty iron in one shot, and could be reloaded rapidly via the wide muzzle. Yet no one worried about someone attacking a picnic or workplace with a blunderbuss. What changed, the deadliness of weaopons, or society? I think the latter.

As far as examples of societies where only the government owned modern weapons, and the people were disarmed, I give you Hitler's Germany, Stalin's Russia, China etc. The Jews who were herded onto trucks and trains in Nazi Germany by a handful of police and soldiers were sent away easily ONLY after they had been disarmed, according to German law. In the Warsaw Ghetto in 1943, Jews used a handful of hidden firearms to begin a rebellion, and used those weapons to win German weapons, and they held out against the force of the German army for months. If all of the German Jews had disobeyed German law and kept their firearms, and resisted at every step, the Nazi holocaust of the Jews could not have happened, based on the Warsaw experience.

I hope you look more deeply into this subject. I urge you to check out this site: "Self Defense is a Basic Human Right. http://www.a-human-right.com/introduction.html

Sincerely,

Matt Bracken

1 posted on 03/18/2004 1:43:48 PM PST by Travis McGee
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To: *bang_list; archy; Eaker; Squantos; Mulder; Noumenon; Shooter 2.5; ExSoldier; Beelzebubba; ...

BANG!


2 posted on 03/18/2004 1:45:30 PM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Travis McGee
LOL. If nothing else, she might learn something from looking at Oleg's pics.
3 posted on 03/18/2004 1:46:10 PM PST by glock rocks (YES, I question your patriotism, J F'n K.)
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To: Travis McGee
I don't think the "foundering fathers" had AK-47 or automatic weapons on their minds when they gave American citizens the right to bare arms or when you quoted these individuals to sale your book.

Yep, it's from Berkeley. Looks like they need to not only study up on the 2nd Amendment, but a little spelling and grammar.

4 posted on 03/18/2004 1:48:01 PM PST by ladtx ( "Remember your regiment and follow your officers." Captain Charles May, 2d Dragoons, 9 May 1846)
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To: Travis McGee
This week three American citizens were killed with AK-47 in Iraq. Do you think they may have bought these guns from the US.

Yeah, they got the SCUDs from us as well.

Rolls eyes.

5 posted on 03/18/2004 1:48:25 PM PST by AdamSelene235
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To: Travis McGee
Do you think these people love their families less than Americans.

They strap bombs to their kids, don't they?

6 posted on 03/18/2004 1:48:28 PM PST by gundog
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To: Travis McGee
Good job. You might also want to see if this Leftist can explain why "the People" means the People in every Amendment to the Constitution except the Second Amendment.

Our founding fathers knew exactly what they were doing when they crafted the Second Amendment. They knew what life was like when the People served (and feared) the Government. They sought to establish from the start that the Government should serve (and fear) the People.

7 posted on 03/18/2004 1:49:26 PM PST by Prime Choice (Hm? No, my powers can only be used for Good.)
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To: Travis McGee
Current data from the Bureau of Justice Statistics:

WEAPON RELATED VIOLENT CRIME:
Not sure if a weapon used = 6%
Total NON-FIREARM = 17%
Total FIREARM = 9% (from Saturday Night Special to Atomic Cannon)
NO WEAPON USED = 68%!

Where is the concern for the 68%?
9 posted on 03/18/2004 1:50:50 PM PST by leprechaun9
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To: Travis McGee
Ah yes. Another fine Berkeley education in progress.

Should have these kids draw-up their own constitution. Bet it would be interesting to see what they'd put in there.
10 posted on 03/18/2004 1:51:48 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (Democrats want to ban sex with animals! They may get hurt!)
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This week three American citizens were killed with AK-47 in Iraq. Do you think they may have bought these guns from the US.

No. Only communist governments used and produced the AK-47.

11 posted on 03/18/2004 1:51:50 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: ladtx
Yup...I recall in a "wizard of Id" when Sir Rodney informed the King that the peasants were demanding the right to bear arms...the King said, "Rip off their sleeves."
12 posted on 03/18/2004 1:51:56 PM PST by gundog
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To: Travis McGee

Well, Matthew B., you penned quite a noble reply to the Bezerkley bimbette. I do hope she reads it and replies to you.
13 posted on 03/18/2004 1:52:38 PM PST by onyx (Kerry' s a Veteran, but so were Lee Harvey Oswald, Timothy McVeigh and Benedict Arnold.)
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To: Travis McGee
I don't think the "foundering fathers" had AK-47 or automatic weapons on their minds when they gave American citizens the right to bare arms or when you quoted these individuals to sale your book.

That's true, but then again, assuming you could afford them, every "military" weapon available was available to the general public. Cannons, for instance. I've seen old pictures and drawings of private residences with cannons in the yard, among other things.

14 posted on 03/18/2004 1:53:05 PM PST by Who dat?
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To: Travis McGee
I don't think the "foundering fathers" had satellite communications or the Internet or high-speed printing presses on their minds when they gave American citizens the right to freedom of the press.
15 posted on 03/18/2004 1:54:34 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: Travis McGee
Claire J. Wolfe is from Berkeley? Who would have thought! And that she thinks this way about firearms? Imagine!

Just kidding.

16 posted on 03/18/2004 1:55:10 PM PST by coloradan (Hence, etc.)
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To: Travis McGee
Boy, what a moron. About the level of spelling and punctuation I'd expect from Berkeley, though.
17 posted on 03/18/2004 1:55:23 PM PST by Sloth (We cannot defeat foreign enemies of the Constitution if we yield to the domestic ones.)
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To: Travis McGee
By my screen name you can obviously tell where I stand on this issue. I live in the great land of Kansas where we can carry concealed weapons now.
This man is an idiot and has know logical basis for any of arguments. The fire arms held in Iraq were most likely smuggled from other terrorist countries. Perhaps they were traded for the war-heads that we can't find.
Take away my gun and you take away my right to protect myself. If bad guys have guns now, who's going to go out and take them from them when the rest of us aren't allowed to own guns. Maybe I should go out and buy a musket. Actually, I would probably have a greater chance of killing myself with a musket than an attacker.
This man is obviously as un-American as the rest of the left.
18 posted on 03/18/2004 1:57:31 PM PST by packing heat
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To: Travis McGee
bare arms

publik skul graduite graduette gradute LOSER!

19 posted on 03/18/2004 1:58:24 PM PST by IYAS9YAS (Go Fast, Turn Left!)
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To: VeniVidiVici
Equal and full protection rights for ants.
20 posted on 03/18/2004 1:59:16 PM PST by Trillian
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