Disgusting Protester Sign at the NYC "Peace" March

Canon EOS 10D | March 20, 2004 | toupsie

[toupsie]

What these two "Patriotic" Americans' sign says:
Support the Only Position with Successful Historical Precedent
Call for the Mutiny of U.S. FORCES in Iraq as in Vietnam!
U.S. Regime withdrew from Vietnam in 1975 only after
Mutiny in Ranks: Mass Shootings of Officers by Enlisted Men
and Refusal of Recruits to Even Get on Troop Ships! Mutiny
at an earlier date would have saved the lives of
2 Million Vietnamese and over 58 Thousand Americans!

[capitan_refugio]

LPDs were not "troopships" or "troop transports" per se. An LPD is an amphibious assault vessel. During the Vietnam War there were two classes that carried the "LPD" designation: the Raleigh class (including the converted command ship La Salle) and the Austin class (including the command ship Coronado).

These vessels were capable of carrying about 1/2 of a Marine reinforced battalion, consisting of about 150 officers and 900 enlisted. The LPDs were helicopter capable (for air assault) and also had docking wells for landing craft. LPD-9 was the "Denver." (Purist likes me would recall that prior to the 1970s cruisers were named after cities.)

The classic troopships of the WWI and WWII era were converted fast ocean liners, only slightly navalized, capable of outrunning enemy submarines and most surface vessels, and often carrying several thousand troops. That is not to say that a good number of soldiers, sailors, and marines didn't hitch rides on Liberty ships!

[trussell]

Welcome to FR

[onyx]

The two creeps holding the banner are disgusting.
Time warp. Man they're ugly.

[capitan_refugio]

"Mutiny"? That's a naval term, is it not?

Usually, but not always. For instance, consider the "Sepoy Mutiny" in India.

From the 'Lectric Law Library Lexicon:
"MUTINY - The unlawful resistance of a superior officer, or the raising of commotions and disturbances on board of a ship against the authority of its commander, or in the army in opposition to the authority of the officers; a sedition; a revolt."

[Criminal Number 18F]

The last combat Marines left in May of 1971 on troop transport (LPD-9)

Betcha none of them refused to board!

Actually I have a book, Marines and Military Law in Vietnam. It recounts the interesting legal cases and the misconduct that some Marines got up to (in any organisation with tens and hundreds of thousands of people in it, you are going to get a few bad apples). There is nothing in the history you could remotely call a "mutiny." Even the Army didn't mutiny. The USAF had a race riot, but it was in Guam.

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F

[L.N. Smithee]

Whoa...TV commercials sure have changed.

I flew to Hawaii recently, and while the hostesses stewardesses flight attendants were nice enough, I missed the miniskirted sweethearts of my youthful fantasies. Ahhhhhh....

[L.N. Smithee]

Check the pic, and look at the words "Iraq as". It seems to have been sewn or pasted on the sheet over the name of another country.

[bikerman]

bring back the draft, make him # 1

[stylin19a]

I missed the ship by a week. I flew out 1 week before my unit cased the colors.

You're right re: troop ships TO Nam. By the 70's, we were flown over. Rumor had it that LBJ's wife owned the airlines that flew most of us over. (Seaboard ?).
and by the time I left, most were also flying back.

[stylin19a]

Thanx for clearing it up.

[Aeronaut]

I would like to confront the protesters with a fact:

The war is over, it's a reconstruction now. Are you protesting a reconstruction?

[archy]

Betcha none of them refused to board!

A few with Vietnamese wives, who deserted. Some resided in Saigon's Cholon distrrict. I've heard numbers estimated [all services] from a couple of dozen to a hundred-plus.

On 30 April, 1975 when the North Vietnamese took over, at least some suicided. They knew what was coming.

[BlessedBeGod]

Wow, revisionist history! Who would have thunk it?

[archy]

Support the Only Position with Successful Historical Precedent Call for the Mutiny of U.S. FORCES in Iraq as in Vietnam!

"Mutiny"? That's a naval term, is it not? Betcha these aging hipsters were shipmates of the profane snowboarding Frenchman.

That's a result of the codification of the Uniform Code of Military Justice for all services, I'd expect. There's references to naval terminology and rank structure throughout the UCMJ:

Violations of the UCMJ

Article 82: Soliciting or advising another to:desert,commit mutiny, or commit misbehavior before the enemy or engage in sedition.

90: Striking, drawing, or lifting up any weapon or offering any violence to his superior commissioned officer in the execution of his office.

91: Striking or otherwise assaulting a warrant officer, a noncomissioned officer or petty officer while in the execution of his office

94:Mutiny or sedition.

[Criminal Number 18F]

I've heard numbers estimated [all services] from a couple of dozen to a hundred-plus.

I think the "official" number from DPMO was around 200, now that you remind me about these guys. They have files on them, at JPMTF or whatever they renamed JCRC/JTF-FA. This isn't so much that they are still interested in the deserters, as that these guys are always being reported by well-meaning folks as POWs still held in Vietnam.

I imagine that life got really crummy really fast for any of these guys in the warrens of Cholon who lived off hookers, PX black marketing, or MPC speculation.

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F

[NHResident]

In Keene, NH there was some batty old woman dressed as a pilgrim - it was clear she was re-living her glory days of old demonatrating against the troops in Iraq - she apparently had been drinking her lunch (and maybe her breakfast)- I was surprised she didn't fall into traffic!

[leprechaun9]

I wonder if the NY Department of Sanitation hosed down the sidewalk afterward, as they do after a parade, to remove the debris?

[Ditto]

Why are most socialist protestors funny looking old guys?

Because they were funny looking young guys too.

[Knute]

I'd love to get these idiots' e-mail addresses and send them with this photo to some of our troops overseas.

The chances are fairly good that SOMEONE who sees this picture knows who these cretins are. Kinda like "America's Most Wanted". Post the names, post the employers, post the addresses (e-mail AND residence), post the phone numbers! Together we can expose these roaches to the scrutiny of light!

[Jimmy Valentine's brother]

Thet were confused about their history. The sign pertains to the mutiny of the Russian Army during World War I.