Posted on 03/22/2004 4:28:39 AM PST by ReleaseTheHounds
Mansoor Ijaz just called Richard Clarke essentially a liar. Challenged virtually all of his claims -- and accused Clarke of stonewalling Ijaz's efforts to capture Bin Laden via the Sudanese.
The comment made reference to Ijaz's skin color, not his religion, and implied that he was slavishly pushing the Fox News Channel right-wing agenda. The tone of the comment was very similar to the one that was made in 2002 by Harry Belafonte in which he called Colin Powell a "house slave". I wouldn't doubt that a DUpe would come here and leave racist comments in an attempt to discredit the site and the ideas that are expressed here.
I wouldn't touch that bet with a... well, never mind. Seriously, you don't know about the Peter Principle? The term originated around 1970 and is fairly accurate, imo. The principle theorizes that certain individuals are promoted higher and higher up the ladder until they settle into a high level job in which they're totally incompetent. Ever wonder how the heck your moronic boss got his job? Well, that's the Peter Principle.
Hey Mansoor, show me that you can be trusted!!
1998 late - APRIL 2003 : (IRAQ : AFTER INTERNATIONAL INSPECTIONS END, MUCH OF THE HIDDEN UNDERGROUND NUCLEAR WEAPONS RESEARCH FACILITY AT AL TUWAITHA IS BUILT; IT WILL NOT BE REVEALED TO THE WORLD PUBLIC UNTIL US FORCES INVADE THE CITY IN APRIL 2003) In the deserted edifices of Iraqi science, there is the omnipresent Saddam. Paintings show Saddam with scientists; Saddam with farmers; Saddam with soldiers. On the walls, Saddam's face. In the scrub surrounding the guard bunkers, murals of Saddam. There are books of Saddam sayings. Scientists' offices glitter with medals, from Saddam. The offices underground, under unlit signs warning of "Gas/Gaz," are stuffed with videos and pictures, all showing how this complex was built, largely over the last four years after formal international inspections ended. The Marines haven't even mapped all the subterranean tunnels veining the site. In an above-ground library built like a fortress with a beautiful alabaster marble now washed in dust and mud, the clocks stopped at ten minutes until one. The stacks, cool because of the marble, hold the scientific manuals, textbooks and published papers for the Iraqi intelligentsia. In the commanding general's study, goldfish still swim in a long tank, glittering like the medals on his desk from Saddam. "Peaceful Uses of Atomic Energy for Scientific and Economic Development," a bulky green tome published in 1975, leans against the general's wall, under a picture of Saddam, whose Baathist Party came to power four years later in a bloody coup. On a mantle, folded under documents, a Christmas card never sent. On the front is a dove, its wings the ellipses of the atom, tinged in orange, yellow and green. Under it, a tiger, facing backward, its body a swirl of Arabic letters. Inside the card: "Rights of Third World Peoples To Alternate Energy Sources For the Future Development of Their Environment and Culture." The next page: "Let Us Hope This New Year Will Be a Year of Peace and Justice and With All Good Wishes for Christmas and the New Year." Signed, Iraqi Atomic Energy Commission. Baghdad. - "Marines hold nuclear site," by Carl Prine, Pittsburgh Tribune Review, Wednesday, April 9, 2003
DECEMBER 2002 - FEBRUARY 6, 2003 : (IAEA INSPECTORS CHECK UP ON TUWAITHA NUCLEAR RESEARCH CENTER & STORED URANIUM THERE; APPARENTLY GO UNDERGROUND ON SOME SEARCHES) The U.N. nuclear agency's inspectors have visited Tuwaitha about two dozen times, including a dozen checks carried out since December, most recently on Feb. 6 [2003]. It [Tuwaitha] was among the first sites that IAEA inspectors sought out after the resumption of inspections on Nov. 27 after a nearly four-year break. On at least one occasion, inspectors with special mountaineering training went underground there to have a look around, according to IAEA documents.- "Experts: U.S. 'Discovery' of Nuke Materials in Iraq Was Breach of U.N.-Monitored Site," Thursday, April 10, 2003 Associated Press via Fox News
FEBRUARY 2003 : (IRAQ : AL-TUWAITHA : AIEA INSPECTORS SEARCH KNOWN SITES AT AL-TUWAITHA, BUT MISS AN UNDERGROUND CITY OF LABS, WAREHOUSES AND OFFICES WHICH WOULD LATER BE FOUND AFTER THE COALITION INVASION) International Atomic Energy Agency inspectors who combed the site [al-Tuwaitha] - "Marines hold nuclear site," by Carl Prine, Pittsburgh Tribune Review, Wednesday, April 9, 2003
FEBRUARY 2003 : (IRAQ : UN ARMS INSPECTORS VISITED FACILITY IN THE VICINITY OF KARBALA CHEMICAL PLANT - KARBALA PLANT IS WHERE US ARMY WOULD LATER FIND BURIED SHIPPING CONTAINERS OF LAB EQUIPMENT) U.N. arms inspectors visited a facility in the immediate vicinity of the [Karbala] chemical plant Feb. 23, but did not find the buried equipment. [that 101st Airborne later found buried at the plant] Officials at the U.S. Central Command suggested that no conclusions should be drawn.- "Experts: U.S. 'Discovery' of Nuke Materials in Iraq Was Breach of U.N.-Monitored Site," Thursday, April 10, 2003 Associated Press via Fox News
FEBRUARY 6, 2003 : (LAST VISIT BY UN IAEA INSPECTORS TO TUWAITHA NUCLEAR RESEARCH CENTER TO CHECK UP ON URANIUM STORED THERE) The U.N. nuclear agency's inspectors have visited Tuwaitha about two dozen times, including a dozen checks carried out since December, most recently on Feb. 6 [2003]. It was among the first sites that IAEA inspectors sought out after the resumption of inspections on Nov. 27 [2002] after a nearly four-year break.- "Experts: U.S. 'Discovery' of Nuke Materials in Iraq Was Breach of U.N.-Monitored Site," Thursday, April 10, 2003 Associated Press via Fox News
MARCH 2003 : (IRAQ : SCIENTISTS & SPECIAL REPUBLICAN GUARD ABANDON AL TUWAITHA NUCLEAR RESEARCH FACILITY, ACCORDING TO LATER REPORTS OF IRAQI VILLAGERS) - "Marines hold nuclear site," by Carl Prine, Pittsburgh Tribune Review, Wednesday, April 9, 2003
APRIL 5?, 2003 : (IRAQ : AL TUWAITHA NUCLEAR WEAPONS RESEARCH FACILITY IS DESERTED BY IRAQIS, US FORCES ARRIVE) - "Marines hold nuclear site," by Carl Prine, Pittsburgh Tribune Review, Wednesday, April 9, 2003
APRIL 2003 : (IRAQ : AL-TUWAITHA : US MARINES SECURE YELLOWCAKE STORAGE BUILDING) The Marine Corps' Combat Engineer Battalion secured the above- and below-ground laboratories, bunkers, artillery and small arms caches deserted by the Iraqi Special Republican Guard as coalition forces closed in on Baghdad. At a warehouse about 400 yards outside Tuwaitha, the Marines secured what they called the "Yellow Cake" facility. Named "Location C" by international inspectors, the building had been placed under seal by investigators in 1991 to keep fissionable material from being reused in Iraq's atomic weapons program. The Marines, who insist they never broke the IAEA's seals, discovered high levels of radioactivity behind an open steel door, where blue barrels of uranium water filled the storeroom. Marines believed "Yellow Cake" had been burglarized days earlier by villagers searching for air conditioners, furniture and window glass. - "Fate of Al-Tuwaitha nuclear material unclear," By Carl Prine, Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, Tuesday, May 6, 2003
APRIL 6?, 2003 : (IRAQ : AL-TUWAITHA : USMC COMBAT ENGINEERS DISCOVER PREVIOUSLY UNKNOWN UNDERGROUND NUCLEAR FACILITY AT AL-TUWAITHA) - "Marines hold nuclear site," by Carl Prine, Pittsburgh Tribune Review, Wednesday, April 9, 2003
APRIL 8, 2003 : (IRAQ : INVESTIGATORS DISCOVER THAT THE IRAQI AEC TOWN AL TUWAITHA HIDES A SUBTERRANEAN NUCLEAR RESEARCH 'CITY') Investigators Tuesday (April 8, 2003) discovered [or shall we say confirmed, since Marines discovered it a few days ago] that Al-Tuwaitha hides another city. South of Baghdad — In a valley sculpted by man, between the palms and roses, lies a vast marble and steel city known as Al-Tuwaitha. In the suburbs about 18 miles south of the capital's suburbs, this city comprises nearly 100 buildings — workshops, laboratories, cooling towers, nuclear reactors, libraries and barracks — that belong to the Iraqi Atomic Energy Commission. This underground nexus of labs, warehouses, and bomb-proof offices was hidden from the public and, perhaps, International Atomic Energy Agency inspectors who combed the site just two months ago, until the U.S. Marine Corps Combat Engineers discovered it three days ago.[on April 6] Today, the Marines hold it against enemy counter-attacks. - "Marines hold nuclear site," by Carl Prine, Pittsburgh Tribune Review, Wednesday, April 9, 2003
APRIL 10, 2003 Thursday : (FORMER IAEA INSPECTOR KAY SAYS TUWAITHA UNDERGROUND NUcLEAR WEAPONS SITE WAS MISSED BY INSECTION TEAMS AFTER [OPERATION DESERT STORM] GULF WAR DESPITE RUMORS IT EXISTED; US MILITARY JUST FOUND UNDERGROUND SITES THERE) David Kay, a former IAEA chief nuclear inspector, said Thursday that the teams he oversaw after the 1991 Gulf War never found an underground site at Tuwaitha despite persistent rumors. "But underground facilities by definition are very hard to detect," he said. "When you inspect a place so often, you get overconfident about what you know. It would have been very easy for the inspectors to explain away any excessive radiation at Tuwaitha. The Iraqis could have hidden something clandestine in plain sight."- "Experts: U.S. 'Discovery' of Nuke Materials in Iraq Was Breach of U.N.-Monitored Site," Thursday, April 10, 2003 Associated Press via Fox News
APRIL 2003 mid-month : (IRAQ: AL-TUWAITHA : US ARMY THIRD INFANTRY DIVISION TAKES OVER SECURITY) - "Fate of Al-Tuwaitha nuclear material unclear," By Carl Prine, Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, Tuesday, May 6, 2003 *
MAY 3, 2003 : (IRAQ : AL-TUWAITHA : PHYSICISTS ARRIVE AT IRAQI NUCLEAR RESEARCH FACILITY AFTER US ARMY'S THIRD INFANTRY DIVISION TAKES OVER SECURITY) The Pentagon's scout team moved on to other suspected atomic sites, and a follow-up group of physicists didn't arrive at Tuwaitha until May 3, nearly a month after the Marines first arrived and two weeks after the Third Infantry Division took over. - "Fate of Al-Tuwaitha nuclear material unclear," By Carl Prine, Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, Tuesday, May 6, 2003 *
JUNE 2003 : (DR. DAVID KELLY IS INTERVIEWED BY THE UK'S SUNDAY TIMES : KELLY REVEALS THAT IRAQ CONCOCTED A DIRTY BOMB DURING THE IRAN-IRAQ WAR) In a June interview with the newspaper, Kelly revealed that Saddam originally built the dread weapon [a dirty bomb] capable of causing cancer and birth defects for use against Iranian troops during the Iran-Iraq war as a tactical weapon and an instrument of terror. Moreover Kelly insisted that said Iraq still "possessed the know-how and the materials to build a radiological weapon, "adding that the threat posed by such weapons was potentially more serious than some other weapons of mass destruction because Iraq still retained the main ingredients to build dirty bombs such as nuclear material and high explosives. When the Times asked why this shocking information was not featured in the British government's case for going to war against Iraq, Kelly said he did not know, but added that there were people in government who were skeptical about the potency of such a weapon. In private, Kelly is said to have believed the evidence should have been included in the dossier because of the possibility that Iraq could reactivate the program even after it had been stripped of other non-conventional weapons. - "Dead U.K. Expert: Saddam Built a Dirty Bomb," by Phil Brennan, NewsMax.com, Monday, Aug. 4, 2003
[* My note: Kelly would end up dead during the BBC scandals]
JULY 2003 : (DR DAVID KELLY REPORTEDLY COMMITS SUICIDE) - "Dead U.K. Expert: Saddam Built a Dirty Bomb," by Phil Brennan, NewsMax.com, Monday, Aug. 4, 2003
AUGUST 2003 early : (THE UK'S SUNDAY TIMES REPORTS THAT DR. DAVID KELLY HAD PROVIDED EVIDENCE OF IRAQ'S POSSESSION OF WMD BACK IN JUNE) New evidence of Saddam Hussein’s possession of weapons of mass destruction was provided last June [2002?] by a top weapons expert, now dead, and it could have an enormous impact on the 2004 presidential election. The stunning revelation by the British scientist, who committed suicide last month over the issue of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction could have anti-war Democrats running for cover. According to Britain's Sunday Times, Dr. David Kelly had amassed convincing evidence that Saddam Hussein had built and tested a dirty nuclear bomb as long ago as 1987, and was perfectly capable of building the deadly weapons right up to the final months of his regime. - "Dead U.K. Expert: Saddam Built a Dirty Bomb," by Phil Brennan, NewsMax.com, Monday, Aug. 4, 2003
I appreciate your response. I am extremely pleased to see your report.
Let Mansoor go after Clarke with a vengence!
It was very interesting and quite informative about Ijaz.
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