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Schroeder hands over governing party post in Germany.
USA Today ^ | 22 MAR 04 | Associated Press

Posted on 03/22/2004 6:28:51 AM PST by .cnI redruM

Edited on 04/13/2004 1:42:09 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

BERLIN (AP)

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Germany; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: germanelections; welfarestate
>>>>"We have to be honest: the public purse is empty. So we have to say what is possible and what is not possible."<<<<

Another socialist runs out of other people's money.

1 posted on 03/22/2004 6:28:51 AM PST by .cnI redruM
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To: longjack
ping (What is up with this?)
2 posted on 03/22/2004 6:45:54 AM PST by CasearianDaoist
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To: .cnI redruM
This will give him extra time count his oil for food take.
3 posted on 03/22/2004 6:51:56 AM PST by magua
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To: .cnI redruM
(And now we join the European Chapter of Socialists Anonymous "SA" in session, lets listen in)

My name is Germany and I have a problem. I am a socialistaholic. I started being a socialist right after I helped win a hardfought victory against communist East Germany. In my bliss and happiness, I incorporated East Germany into myself. That is when I started, started to spend the hard earned treasure of my industry on socialized programs etc. in an attempt to appease my East German masses. Now, I can't even afford to defend myself. Even worse, I found a socialism buddy in the strangest place. My old enemy France and I started socialisming together and before you knew it, we were both in welfare state mode. Now, I have blacked out completely and forgotten what it means to be a real state, with real opportunities for my people. Now, I am bankrupt. Yes, I am Germany and I have a socialism problem.
4 posted on 03/22/2004 7:02:21 AM PST by FlipWilson
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To: magua
Well, once he ran out of money to steal in Germany, he had to make like a mosquito and fly off in search of the next victim.
5 posted on 03/22/2004 7:09:39 AM PST by .cnI redruM (Kerry - Yes to Iraq War, No to $87 Bil to pay for it.)
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To: FlipWilson
Bump!
6 posted on 03/22/2004 7:22:10 AM PST by Styria
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To: FlipWilson
Oh chill out. You guys just need to get John Kerry back there tending bar. He'll buy you all Manhattans on the house.
7 posted on 03/22/2004 7:28:24 AM PST by .cnI redruM (Kerry - Yes to Iraq War, No to $87 Bil to pay for it.)
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To: CasearianDaoist
The chairman is probably equivalent to the party whip here.Schröder gave up that role, "officially", to concetrate on the chancellorship. The real reason probably has more to do with the fact that he has lost touch with the SPD left and the SPD, whose membership is falling like a rock, needed a all-around guy for the party to identify with.

Franz Müntefering is a man for everyone, and he talks in a way that people can understand and relate to. He is able to elucidate party policies in a folksy way so that people can think they're getting a more encompasing view of the overall direction of policy.

Schröder is more of a power politician who deals in secrecy and doesn't reveal real glimpses into what the goals of his actions are. He's untouchable for the masses. The guy is so obstinate he won't even grant the "Bild" newspaper interviews because he thinks they're trying to undermine his policies.

Having Schröder drop the chairmanship just gives the SPD a way to keep the ranks in check. The ranks almost broke on the reform vote, which would have been a real embarassment. Now Müntefering can soothe the neglected SPD ultra-lefties.

That's my take anyway.

longjack

8 posted on 03/22/2004 10:24:01 AM PST by longjack
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To: longjack
What does this mean mid and long term for the SPD and Green coalition? Can they hold on to power or will they be pushed out? Is there anyhope of getting a more moderate party in power? Inquiring minds need to know.
9 posted on 03/22/2004 10:29:20 AM PST by CasearianDaoist
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To: CasearianDaoist
I know that the CDU/CSU is approaching 50% in polls, but I still don't think they are able to show a resolute, united front.

They are led by Angela Merkel and Edmund Stoiber (last candidate vs. Schröder), neither of whom, IMHO, are strong enough to pull the party resolutely forward.

Remember the post from the other day when we were talking about how fast the CDU/CSU back-tracked on their own reform agenda.

The Germans are definitely paranoid, now. Polls show they don't trust the social programs anymore, and the majority feel any reform will impact their own situation negatively.

The Greens, in spite of taking it in the shorts from Schröder repeatedly, hold onto c. 10% of the voters. Even though Schröder seems to disregards their platform issues when he determines policy, the Greens will stay hitched to the SPD wagon because it's their only course to power. Since I think Schröder disregards them, I don't think they are (besides Fischer) very important re policy issues

The SPD base (28-29% now) is the big question mark. If they break rank, there will be early elections. Müntefering will hold them, somewhat, if Schröder holds off on pushing the reform issue (Of course, not doing anything isn't what Germany needs). Then they will have to pull up to around 35 - 40 % in the polls to catch up to the CDU/CSU. Any more negative economic issues, though, will mean Schröder will be forced to do something and all bets are off.

So, it looks to me like the CDU/CSU doesn't offer any real answers, and I think any bump they're getting is a result of dissatisfaction with Schröder and, therefore, not solid. The SPD is one major economic issue away from imploding. The greens are a non-entity if the SPD doesn't climb to 40 % or so.

Summing it up, the Germans are facing a hopeless situation with no one to show them the way out. I don't believe, either, that Schröder can use a flood or a US-led war to distract the electorate again.

The bottom line, then, is I don't have the faintest idea of how all this will play out.

Again, just my opinion.

longjack

10 posted on 03/22/2004 11:29:48 AM PST by longjack
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To: longjack
Thanks, as always you are a useful resource.
11 posted on 03/22/2004 11:37:47 AM PST by CasearianDaoist
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To: FlipWilson
My name is Germany and I have a problem.

I have the cure. The chemical composition of the primary substance is CDU; the secondary substance, CSU.

12 posted on 03/22/2004 11:38:19 AM PST by MegaSilver
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