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Governor wants ban on assault weapons (Illinois)
The Bloomington Pantagraph ^ | March 31, 2004 | Maura Kelly (AP)

Posted on 03/31/2004 8:35:02 AM PST by neverdem

CHICAGO -- Gov. Rod Blagojevich called for a ban Tuesday on assault weapons in Illinois and said if lawmakers don't send him such a measure he will veto legislation lowering the minimum age to obtain a firearm owner's identification card without parental consent. The federal ban on manufacturing and importing at least 19 types of common military-style assault weapons expires Sept. 13. It isn't clear if Congress will extend the ban, so Blagojevich wants to deal with the matter on the state level.

"No one needs assault weapons for hunting," the governor said. "No one should need an assault weapon for any purpose unless you're in the military fighting a war."

Illinois law currently doesn't address assault weapons. Chicago Mayor Richard Daley has proposed banning assault weapons at least twice in recent years, but his proposals have gone nowhere in the Legislature.

Gun control opponents dismissed Blagojevich's threat, saying it will not increase support for the assault weapons ban.

"You have two issues there which are completely separate," said Rep. Frank Mautino, D-Spring Valley. "I think those who are going to vote against the assault weapons ban will vote against it regardless."

Blagojevich also said Tuesday that he would veto two other bills to ease gun laws if the legislation reaches his desk as currently written. One bill, already approved by the Senate and pending in the House, would allow a self-defense claim to override municipal handgun bans. The other would allow retired police officers and former military police to carry concealed weapons.

Todd Vandermyde, a lobbyist for the National Rifle Association, said his group is willing to fight Blagojevich on all the bills. Assault weapons bans have failed repeatedly over the years, he said, and there is strong legislative support for lowering the gun-purchase age to 18 and letting retired police and soldiers carry weapons.

Vandermyde said many downstate Democrats will feel betrayed by Blagojevich's action. They won't put party loyalty to Blagojevich ahead of their constituents' opposition to gun control, he predicted.

"If he's expecting that to happen, he doesn't understand downstate," Vandermyde said.

He described Blagojevich's threat to veto the bill that would change the age limit as an insult to young soldiers who would be unable to buy weapons even though they are asked to serve in combat.

"If he's got some grudge against them, we'll let him explain it to the veterans," Vandermyde said.

Blagojevich supports allowing retired police officers to carry guns but would veto allowing concealed guns for other groups, including former military police.

"Any bill being used as a Trojan Horse for concealed carry laws is a bill that is bad for Illinois," Blagojevich said.

Both chambers have passed versions of a bill that would allow people who break local gun laws to avoid penalties if they used the weapon in self-defense. The legislation stems from a case in Wilmette in which a man shot a burglar who had broken into his home for the second time. The village charged the homeowner with a misdemeanor for violating its ban on handguns. He faces a fine if convicted.

Each chamber also has approved bills that would lower the minimum age to own a gun in Illinois without parental consent to 18 from 21.

Supporters argue that 18-year-olds are old enough to serve in the military and should be trusted to own firearms. Critics say lowering the age for a firearm owner's identification card without parental consent would increase violence.

Blagojevich said a ban on assault weapons would be an appropriate trade off for lowering the age for hunters who want to buy hunting rifles.

"If you're asking men and women who are 18 years old to go to Iraq and fight in war and carry a gun and put their lives at risk in war, then it's hard to tell them that they can't go out and purchase a hunting rifle without the consent of their parents, which is what the law allows now," the governor said.

Attorney General Lisa Madigan said lowering the age limit concerns her.

"I'm not going to speculate or comment on the governor's decision. My response is I have a concern about 18-year-olds being able to get a FOID card, purchase guns and potentially bring those to schools," she said.

Rep. Edward Acevedo, D-Chicago, sponsor of the assault weapons bill, said he hopes linking the bills will generate more support for the assault weapons ban.

"I would hope people realize that this is a safety issue," he said.

Rep. John Fritchey, D-Chicago, a Blagojevich ally, said linking the two is reasonable.

"When opportunities present themselves to make sweeping changes to the landscape of gun rights in this state, we need to take advantage of those opportunities. And I think Rod views this as one of those opportunities," he said.

Copyright © 2004, Pantagraph Publishing Co. All rights reserved.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Illinois; War on Terror
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When he woke up, what a dream!
1 posted on 03/31/2004 8:35:05 AM PST by neverdem
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To: fourdeuce82d; Travis McGee; Joe Brower
BANG
2 posted on 03/31/2004 8:36:10 AM PST by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: neverdem; All
Here we go AGAIN--

http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/1106709/posts
Pennsylvania to classify PUMP-ACTION RIFLES as "Assault Weapons" (idiot legislators alert!)
AW ban sunset website forums ^ | 27 March 2004 | Pennsylvania legislators
3 posted on 03/31/2004 8:38:57 AM PST by backhoe (--30--)
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To: neverdem
but his proposals have gone nowhere in the Legislature.
May his lack of success continue!
4 posted on 03/31/2004 8:41:44 AM PST by GrandEagle
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To: *bang_list
ping
6 posted on 03/31/2004 8:42:03 AM PST by freepatriot32 (today it was the victory act tomorrow its victory coffee, victory cigarettes...)
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To: neverdem
These are NOT assault rifles...assault rifles are capable of firing multiple times with one pull of the trigger...These are semi auto military type 'look alikes'...whose operation is the same as semi auto hunting rifles..22 plinkers...and shotguns....there are 'cosmetic' only similarities

The gun grabbing corrupt politicans and govt leaders......hate self defense...and they hate the idea of sheep being armed...
7 posted on 03/31/2004 8:45:02 AM PST by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: neverdem
"No one needs assault weapons for hunting," the governor said

Thanks for reinforcing my decision to MOVE OUT OF IL!

8 posted on 03/31/2004 8:46:55 AM PST by OXENinFLA
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To: neverdem
is Blag an "R"?
9 posted on 03/31/2004 8:59:21 AM PST by jjm2111
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To: jjm2111
Blag is a 'rat.
10 posted on 03/31/2004 9:01:04 AM PST by rudypoot
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To: Anubus
If you ask me, any leader looking to disarm the population in a time of war should be beat with a baseball bat.

I prefer the more traditional tarring and feathering, followed by being ridden out of town on a rail.

11 posted on 03/31/2004 9:02:50 AM PST by RogueIsland
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To: jjm2111
is Blag an "R"?

Hes a D, big time. Illinois is in a sorry shape. After a series of pubbie governors, the last leaving under the shadow of big time corruption, those poor folks now have the executive and legislature under firm control of the rats. I don't live there. I'm a political junkie, especially about the 2nd Amendment.

12 posted on 03/31/2004 9:08:52 AM PST by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: joesnuffy
"No one needs assault weapons for hunting," the governor said.

The 2nd Amd is not about hunting, moron. At least, not four-legged varmints.


13 posted on 03/31/2004 9:13:51 AM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: neverdem
"No one needs assault weapons for hunting," the governor said. "No one should need an assault weapon for any purpose unless you're in the military fighting a war."

Gee, Governor, isn't that the core essence of the 2nd Amendment? Any sane, able bodied US citizen should have an assault rifle issued to them.

14 posted on 03/31/2004 9:42:43 AM PST by hattend (Back to Rush...er...Roger)
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To: neverdem
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"No one needs assault weapons for hunting," the governor said. "No one should need an assault weapon for any purpose unless you're in the military fighting a war."
---end quote---

I didn't think that the Second Ammendment to the Constitution talked about hunting... I guess I am going to have to go re-read it.

But.. following this governer's impecable line of thinking....

I don't need the Methodist Church for praying, the Church of England should be just fine for me.

I don't need a forum such as Free Republic to express my views... the Demoncrat talkings points should be just fine.
I can express my free thoughts as long as they are approved.

I don't need protection for myself or my property since the government would never unjustly search or seize. (lost that one earlier)

And we don't need protection for due process, because anything the governer decides is "due."

I don't need to be informed of the charges for which I am being held, nor the right to a speedy trial by a jury of my peers... (oh.. forgot.. we already lost that one too)

it's fairly easy to see the pattern.

The governer thinks that he can decide in what matter citizens of his state can exercise their rights. The thing that stands out, is nowhere in the constitution is there mention of a governer having the power to determine the method of exercising a right....

I am sure glad I don't live there!
15 posted on 03/31/2004 9:55:11 AM PST by pop-aye (For every journey, there is a higher path. (67/4))
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To: pop-aye
OOPS....

...thinks that he can decide in what matter....

should be "in what manner...."
16 posted on 03/31/2004 9:58:06 AM PST by pop-aye (For every journey, there is a higher path. (67/4))
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To: neverdem
I live in Illinos and happen to have this Daley puppet as our governor. Demo, lefty, as wacky as they come..trying always to look Kennedyesque..check out his 'do sometime. Once said that "the terrorists weapon of choice is the 50 cal. sniper rifle". Real idiot..dangerous to the 2nd ammendment crowd.
17 posted on 03/31/2004 10:01:19 AM PST by stanley windrush
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To: neverdem
I would like a ban on governors that cannot read and understand the Constitution. I am going to the big spring gun show in Tulsa this weekend and will be in hog heaven.
18 posted on 03/31/2004 10:31:41 AM PST by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: neverdem
If guns need be banned because of potential misuse and not any evidence of it, why don't civil rights advocates call these left wing kooks bluff and go for a ban of guns by the police. They may already have a record of inappropirate violence.

Wouldn't we all be magnitude's safer? Start attaching this to bills these kook are interested in. Let them make our arguement.
19 posted on 03/31/2004 3:15:09 PM PST by School of Rational Thought
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To: OXENinFLA
Thanks for reinforcing my decision to MOVE OUT OF IL!

I grew up in downstate Illinois on the Indiana state line and spentb my first two years in highschool there. My last two years were spent in Indiana, just across the state line, and both the rabbit and squirrel hunting was better there, as well as the whitetail deer season. But it'd be fun to be part of the effort that takes Blag the drag down.

20 posted on 04/01/2004 9:34:47 PM PST by archy (The darkness will come. It will find you,and it will scare you like you've never been scared before.)
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