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To: Jim Robinson
What's particularly upsetting about this is that the original sources will pull the links, destroying part of what you set up FR to do, which was to create a database that we can search. The old media would never have come up with some of the information on Kerry's flip-flops, etc, if enterprising Freepers hadn't been able to find the source by searching FR. Now, once the original article is pulled from a web site, we will not be able to go back and research, and the opposition will be able to conveniently forget that the politicians have directly contradicted themselves.
15 posted on 04/08/2004 9:26:35 PM PDT by Richard Kimball
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To: Richard Kimball
Sounds like we'll have to take control and keep hard copies and/or copies of important stuff on hard drive, for archival and research purposes.
34 posted on 04/08/2004 9:34:26 PM PDT by bootless (Never Forget - And Never Again)
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To: Richard Kimball
we will not be able to go back and research, and the opposition will be able to conveniently forget that the politicians have directly contradicted themselves.

I know it's not FR, but what was the web site that cache's everything published on the web ??

This is just another attempt, in the on going assault, by the Left Loonies to get control of the media.

BTW, I had the pleasure, a couple of weeks ago, of pulling up beside a car, at a stop light, that was festooned with Dean stickers.

A very nice day, windows down, etc....I could not resist....I started screaming at the driver of that car...Yyyeeaaahhhh.....were gonna get 'em....Yyyeeaahhhh.

I was very loud and very proud. Stupid, probably. Silly, definitely. Feel good ? Oh man, did it ever. I could see other drivers laughing.

Female at work. Nice looking lady, the sad part. Blonde's really are dumb (only if they don't vote Republican! - my apologies). She is my proof. She has no qualms about telling anyone - even those that did not initiate conversation - about how bad GWB and the Republican Party is.

I have always believed that you don't talk about politics or religion at work, but I had had enough of this airhead's unchallenged line of crap. So the next time I heard her talking crap, I rudely interrupted and asked, "So you think Bill Clinton getting blow jobs in the Oval Office was ok? You think that the sitting President lying to the public about that was ok??? My, my, you do have low standards, don't you! That's ok, we don't have very high expectations for Democrats, either." She doesn't talk sh*t anymore.

Fight....fight.....fight!!!!!!!!

The Democratic Party - it's not just a political party - it's a disease!

LVM

88 posted on 04/08/2004 10:06:49 PM PDT by LasVegasMac ("If everything is just barely under control......you are not going fast enough" - MA.)
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To: Richard Kimball
What's particularly upsetting about this is that the original sources will pull the links, destroying part of what you set up FR to do, which was to create a database that we can search.

Not only that, there are instances where articles have gone out to the wires with loads of factual errors (including a big hit piece on George W. Bush's connections to Ken Lay via his ownership of the Houston, Astros; unfortunately for the critic, George W. Bush owned part of Arlington's Texas Rangers baseball team, not the Astros). There are also instances where internal office memos for this or that media outlet (broadcasters and newspapers) have been leaked to their own websites (possibly by disgruntled employees).

Some of these items do not remain online (certainly after other news sources start to comment on them).

Archiving such examples of media bias is the only way to keep the revisionist editors at Big Media from deying their biases.

281 posted on 04/09/2004 2:17:44 AM PDT by weegee (Maybe Urban Outfitters should sell t-shirts that say "Voting Democrat is for Old Dead People.")
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To: Richard Kimball
Now, once the original article is pulled from a web site, we will not be able to go back and research, and the opposition will be able to conveniently forget that the politicians have directly contradicted themselves.

Minor conspiracy theory: Does Lexus/Nexus keep articles or do they link to the news sites? I realize that is a commercial transaction (and licensed arrangement) so it does not share the "fair use" provisions that FR enjoys.

Also, we hear Rush Limbaugh reading excerpts of articles on the air (sometimes obtained from Nexus searches). I wonder if he (or G.Gordon Liddy) have ever been told that they cannot read even an excerpt of an article (or statement from a political site like antiwar.com) on the air. G.G.Liddy uses a segment of each hour of his show to read articles and editorials on the air (with his own commentary); it used to be a full hour of the daily show but he had no guarantee that every market would broadcast "that" hour.

It might be worthwhile to contact Rush, GG Liddy, and other conservative talk radio hosts who excerpt and read full articles on the air without paying the newspapers.

283 posted on 04/09/2004 2:24:56 AM PDT by weegee (Maybe Urban Outfitters should sell t-shirts that say "Voting Democrat is for Old Dead People.")
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To: Richard Kimball; Jim Robinson
"What's particularly upsetting about this is that the original sources will pull the links, destroying part of what you set up FR to do, which was to create a database that we can search"

This is my biggest worry too. That, and even with current articles, many of us don't bother with links to sources that require registering, and personally, unless the article is particularly riveting, I don't generally bother clicking on the source links at all if the article is excerpted.

There is no doubt in my mind that this is an organized campaign. If they could just get rid of Fox news on TV, Rush (and other popular conservative radio hosts) on radio and FR on the web, they could go back to fleecing the drooling sheeple unchallenged. I'm sure that is their intent.

326 posted on 04/09/2004 5:18:06 AM PDT by sweetliberty ("Better to keep silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.")
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To: Richard Kimball
...once the original article is pulled from a web site, we will not be able to go back and research...

I've had some luck in the past using the WayBack Machine.

347 posted on 04/09/2004 6:42:39 AM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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To: Richard Kimball; Jim Robinson
Excellent point. There really needs to be some way of storing these articles. Jim, can you write a program to download the links and store them in your database? Then, have a search that will pull excerpts out of the article in relation to the search?

That would prevent the convenient amnesia of the left-wing publications.

362 posted on 04/09/2004 7:50:39 AM PDT by FreeAtlanta (never surrender, this is for the kids)
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To: Richard Kimball; Jim Robinson
What's particularly upsetting about this is that the original sources will pull the links, destroying part of what you set up FR to do, which was to create a database that we can search.

Jim, what's to prevent you from storing the entire article on your computer, even though you (automatically) only displayed an excerpt on the discussion thread? The entire article could still be searchable. Then at some time in the future, if a person were to perform a search which found a match within the article, it could display just the paragraph containing the search term along with a link to the original discussion thread.

This would appear to meet the objective of archiving past articles which the liberal media would otherwise try to throw down the memory hole. Critical quotes and comments could be located. And yet it would also fall under the Fair Use criteria, since you wouldn't be re-publishing the copyrighted item on the Internet, merely keeping a copy for personal use.

378 posted on 04/09/2004 8:26:31 AM PDT by dpwiener
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