[ThermoNuclearWarrior]

I finally agree with this RINO on something. What's sad is this should be the obvious and universal view on this issue, no matter what party you are affiliated with.

[Freesofar]

Geeze man .....
Where has New York been !
Illegal Aliens have been voting in California for years.
Just ask "B1" Bob Dornan.
Illegal aliens in California also recieve special priveledges such as free heath care and discounts on utilities not available to the honest law abiding citizen. Not to mention the ability to flee to Mexico and escape extradition for murder.
Here in California we voted overwealmingly for prop.187 to stop it. It was overturned by the activist 9th circus court.
Now the legislature is pressing hard for drivers licenses for illegal aliens. This will virtually guarantee them voting priveledges.

[WhiteyAppleseed]

Between 1890 and 1920 a host of licensing acts shut down employment in a wide range of lucrative work, rationing the right to pracrtise trades, much as kings and queens of England had done. (footnote: The Underground History of American Education, John Taylor Gatto, who probably got the fact from Hayek's The Road to Serfdom, though I haven't found it yet--Gatto didn't use footnotes and he said that Frederick Taylor's "Schmidt" was a fabrication, though Callahan says otherwise.)

Why? Why licensing acts? Fear that jobs may be taken by someone else? I'm required to have a piece of paper from the state government that says I can work for a living. My father never had one--I'm a second generation carpenter.

But by now, government licensing is so much a part of our society that questioning it rarely happens. And I've even run afoul of a federal agency who mucked with my ability to work for a living--Rural Development--a lady called for an estimate on a window--her window had frost covering all but the top 3-4 inches. I provided her with an estimate, we agreed to terms, we signed a contract, I placed an order. Rural Development, through whom she was receiving financing on an existing loan, would not allow her to use my services--her story. Their story is that she chose another. She did? She still does not have a window and doesn't want to get involved.

What is constitutional about an executive branch of government appointing bureaucrats to a board to regulate and legislate and adjudicate on an individual level?

Doesn't matter. We've willingly surrendered our wages to the convenience of a pay stub and have tamely surrendered our liberty to the safety of someone else protecting our interests that it is rather ironic that though the kettle is still on boil, and we've all easily melted away, the costumed immigrants of the past have left Henry's pot wearing coats and ties and have gladly marched off to foreign climes, employing foreign workers--wonder if they have surrendered more than a decade of their paychecks to fund our society?

Or sum'pin.

[sweetliberty]

It's a no brainer to me. Only American citizens have the right to vote in American elections. What part of "non-citizen" is so hard to understand?

[An.American.Expatriate]

There is one (and only one) aspect of this which bears consideration.

A Legal Immigrant who has been living in a town (and paying taxes!!!) might be given **local** voting rights. Why?? Because what the local government decides (school policy, zoning etc...) have a direct impact on thier lives. A vast majority of immigrants are not "freeloaders" whose only desire is to vote themselves handouts / multi-culti BS.

I state this a bit out of "self interest". I have been living in Europe for close to 16 years now. It would be nice to have the right to have *some* say in matters which directly impact my life. Some countries have instituted such programs and the result are actually quite good.

Most will probably not agree, but thats my two cents.

Before the flames begin - remember I said "legal", "paying taxes" and "local".