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Scientists stirred to ridicule ice age claims
The New Scientist ^ | 19:00 15 April 04 | Fred Pearce

Posted on 04/16/2004 10:17:45 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach

Scientists stirred to ridicule ice age claims

 
19:00 15 April 04
 
NewScientist.com news service
 

Climate scientists have been stirred to ridicule claims in an upcoming Hollywood blockbuster that global warming could trigger a new ice age, a scenario also put forward in a controversial report to the US military.

The $125-million epic, The Day After Tomorrow, opens worldwide in May. It will show Manhattan frozen solid after the warm ocean current known as the Gulf Stream shuts down.

The movie's release will come soon after a report to the US Department of Defense (DoD) in February predicting that such a shutdown could put the northern hemisphere into a deep freeze and trigger global famine within 15 years.

But in the journal Science on Thursday, Andrew Weaver of the University of Victoria in British Columbia, Canada, surveys the current research and concludes "it is safe to say that global warming will not lead to the onset of a new ice age".


Salty water

The DoD's doomsday scenario, which is very similar to that in the film, was drawn up by Peter Schwartz and Doug Randall of the San Francisco-based Global Business Network. Neither is a climate scientist.

The scenario suggests that as global warming melts Arctic ice packs, the North Atlantic will become less salty. This would shut down a global ocean circulation system that is driven by dense, salty water falling to the bottom of the north Atlantic and that ultimately produces the Gulf Stream.

This much is respectable scientific theory, and some researchers believe it could happen for real in 100 years or so. But the film-makers and DoD authors go further.

They say it could happen very soon. And that if it did, the northern hemisphere would cool so much that that ice sheets would start to grow, creating a catastrophic new ice age.

This is too much even for sympathetic climatologists. Stefan Rahmstorf of the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research in Germany, whose own models say the Gulf Stream could shut down within a century, told New Scientist: "The DoD scenario is extreme and highly unlikely."


Achilles heel

And Wallace Broecker of Columbia University, New York, US, who has warned for two decades that the Atlantic circulation is "the Achilles heel of our climate system", seriously questions both the speed and severity of the changes proposed.

 
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In a letter to Science, he accuses the DoD authors of making exaggerated claims that "only intensify the existing polarisation over global warming". He adds: "What is needed is not more words but rather a means to shut down CO2 emissions." Such action could avert any Gulf Stream shutdown in the next 100 years.

Schwartz defends his scenario, saying that while it is "not the most likely scenario, it is plausible, and would challenge US national security in ways that should be considered immediately".

Weaver notes that the movie's budget "would fund my entire research group for my entire life, 10 times over". That might even allow him to discover which scenarios are most plausible.

But there are no sour grapes. "I will be one of the first to see the movie.," he says. "It'll be the Towering Inferno of climate - extremely entertaining." It will not confuse the public, he thinks, but it will not help them understand climate science either.

 

Fred Pearce



TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; Technical
KEYWORDS: 200402; 200405; agw; atlantic; broecker; climatechange; columbiau; columbiauniversity; globalwarminghoax; gulfstream; hollywood; iceage; moviedeals; wallacebroecker
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To: null and void; Dog Gone
The answer is in there?

I listened to him a bit the other night, seemed like a reasonable fellow.
21 posted on 04/17/2004 9:26:42 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: Mathlete
The recurring cycle seems to me.
22 posted on 04/17/2004 9:27:48 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Sometimes. I look at CoastToCoastAM as a gold mine.

Tons of ore, ounces of gold...

23 posted on 04/17/2004 9:28:57 AM PDT by null and void (Posts passing in the night...)
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To: Fzob
Note to climate scientist...... It's a movie

Which is also why the hero will save the day and have it all done in under 2 hours. Not many people will rush to see a film where nothing detectable happens in the story for hundreds of years.

24 posted on 04/17/2004 9:34:02 AM PDT by Redcloak (Have you hugged your tagline today?)
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To: AdmSmith
Perhaps the salaries to the actors? Remedy: Use new actors and pay them less.

I think that was the case of the Punisher film: take an unknown and put them in the role.

I think the problem with doing that is that there's so much money riding on one single film that its safer to make a sure bet with a known star. Its like a $10M insurance policy to get a big name.

It seems like once you make a film that isn't a box office smash you're blacklisted for a couple of years. No one wants to take a chance in making a flop so everyone goes for the same known quanities. For example, the new film "Troy" has about 4 big names in it. All of them are good actors (I think Brad Pitt's a good actor, but in this role its a stretch).

I think the solution to this is for studios to start pumping out a lot more films to spread the risk around. By definition one can make 8 $12M films for the cost of a $100M one, and its not like there's a shortage of workers out there.

We'll probably see something like this with Mark Cuban's purchase of Landmark Theaters to show his own lower budget films.
25 posted on 04/17/2004 12:19:21 PM PDT by lelio
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To: Straight Vermonter
One sometimes hears the comparison between the greenhouse effect in the atmosphere (not in real greenhouses) and the interior of a parked car which has been left in the summer Sun with its windows rolled up. This comparison is as phony as is the comparison to real greenhouses. -- Bad Meteorology

Sounds as if the Saganists were right on their positive-feedback system dynamics, that the Medieval Warm Period would have stayed warm and never returned to the coolness we experience now.

Nevertheless, the "Super Power" (namely us) is the country with the most "life force", and "life force" is equivalent to entropy. Burning fossil fuels is the USA's way of producing this vigor. It's not surprising that other envious lesser countries would love to attenuate our vitality by forcing us to slow down.

26 posted on 04/17/2004 1:13:18 PM PDT by Mathlete
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27 posted on 12/12/2009 5:21:54 PM PST by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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