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Belmont Club | Monday, April 19, 2004 | wretchard

Posted on 04/19/2004 9:26:27 AM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4

Another gem from Ron Harris, an embedded reporter with the St. Louis Post Dispatch, who asks the really tough questions:

"I don't think the American people understand that this is full-blown guerrilla warfare," he said as he stood inside one of the cramped barracks housing scores of Marines in this remote outpost. ...

Any Marine here who fought during the early stages of the invasion of Iraq will tell you that the Marines' mission now is more complex, more difficult and much more dangerous _ even before the recent upsurge in violence in Fallujah, Ramadi and Baghdad. "What you are really facing is what the Marines call `the 3-block war,'" said their commanding officer, Lt. Col. Matthew Lopez, a 40-year-old Chicago native. "On one block you can be doing humanitarian aid. In another block you could be providing security. In the third block you could be engaged in full combat. "In this environment, the transition between those three blocks happens instantaneously." ...

Their mantra is: "Marines: no better friend, no worse enemy." They hope to achieve their mission primarily through civil affairs projects and good public relations. They want to help rebuild schools, sewer systems and other infrastructure, train and equip an Iraqi police force that will be the first line of defense against crime and violence and build an Iraqi militia, called the Iraqi Civil Defense Corps, that will back up the police. But to do so, they must establish security in the region, a former Saddam Hussein stronghold where U.S. failure would be good news for a number of factions:

Low-level street thugs, who have no use for law and order. Local crime lords, who have profited for years on smuggling and have held the local population in check through bribery, murder and intimidation _ with the understanding of Saddam. Corrupt politicians and tribal chiefs, many appointed by Saddam, who don't want to see their power diminished. Ideology-driven insurgents, "the Jihadists," the Marines call them, who take advantage of all the other factions to try to drive the "infidel" Americans out of their country. ...

Last year, they took over Karbala, a city in southern Iraq dominated by Shiite Muslims. The battalion provided security and reconstruction, and made tremendous strides with a more accepting population. Iraqis and Marines alike wept when they pulled out. But one month after the Marines turned over their mission there to the Bulgarian Army and returned to the United States, a suicide bomber rolled a car into Lt. Col. Lopez's former office and killed five Bulgarians and two Iraqis.

Doubt has begun to creep into the minds of even the most committed Marines as to the ultimate success of their mission. Staff Sgt. Carl Scott of Pine Bluff, Ark., a veteran of Desert Storm in 1991 and the early push into Baghdad, has heard a number of Marines voice reservations. "Most of these Marines, you can give them an M-16 and one bullet, and they'll go out there and battle to the death," said Staff Sgt. Carl Scott, 39, of Pine Bluff, Ark. "But some are beginning to question why we're here. It's not that they don't want to be here. It's just that in times like this, it's hard for them to find a purpose."

One officer put it more bluntly. "I love my country, I love the Marines and I love George Bush, but Iraq is going to collapse the moment we pull out," he said. "It doesn't matter what we do. It's time to go home." ...

Henderson turns to the interpreter. "Ask her if she will accept a gift until her brother returns," he says, and the interpreter complies. "I can't," she responds, as does everyone else on this day. Their refusal reflects the intimidation and corruption that has stymied the Marines' ambitious efforts. Numerous are the stories of Iraqi policemen who have been kidnapped and killed by those opposed to the Marines' presence.

"Civilians are being found dead and gagged, bound and shot execution-style, beaten, cut and tortured," said Fareed, a defense corps lieutenant working with the Marines to bring stability to the town of Ubaydi. One of the most disheartening failures for the Marines recently was an effort to help a local school. When they approached the principal to see how they could help, she told them that she would like to have the schoolyard paved, and a wall built. The wall was to have been built when the Army was here, but local leaders pocketed the money the Army had given them and never built the wall. Marines started in on the project, lining up contractors and planning the work. But on their fourth trip to the school, they were barred from the property. A staffer explained that the principal was no longer there; she and other staffers had been threatened with death if they continued to cooperate with the Marines.

Read the whole thing. Harris raises totally different issues from the stock polemic raised by the Left or Conservatives. The enemy is not a "freedom fighter" or an "Iraqi nationalist", still less the romantic Islamist with flowing robes, just a plain thug, encrusted with the brutality and corruption of hundreds of years of Arab culture. Neither is the Joe Iraqi of Marine acquaintance the Middle Eastern equivalent of an American just yearning to be free, eager to seize an historic opportunity to shuck off his Islamic chains. The picture is rather one of a people comfortable in their dysfunction, who know no other and yearn for no better.

All throughout the Harris piece Marines ask themselves if this was what Vietnam was like. Not the burial place of imperialist legions so much as the graveyard of youthful idealism. In many ways, the United States has been far more successful than its detractors will admit. It has won the war against Saddam. It may even win the war against organized Islamism. What is in doubt is whether anything can prevail against a six thousand year old culture that gave the world Ali Baba, the Assassins and baksheesh. It is now up against the bedrock of opposition, the hard fabric of Arab-Islamic society itself.

"If you look at it, the Marines who died in Vietnam died for nothing," said one veteran, whose father served two tours in Vietnam. It was a shocking statement, one that only a veteran Marine would dare make in the presence of other Marines. "Look, they were there supposedly so that Vietnam wouldn't become Communist and become a threat to the United States and the world," he said. "Well, Vietnam is Communist. Is it a threat?"

The other Marines mumbled, but there was mostly silence.

Then the discussion turned back to Iraq. Saddam is gone, his sons killed and his regime destroyed. There are no weapons of mass destruction. Why are we still here? Why not leave now? "We owe these people," said one Marine. "We owe them to finish the job that we have started." Plus, he said, with the intense criminal element intimidating the people, the corrupt politicians, the sense of lawlessness, the weak police force and the Jihadists operating in the region, the area could easily become a haven for terrorists.

The other Marines nodded in agreement. Ultimately, the conversation drifted to the upcoming missions. Kilo Company was going out that night to search a house in Karabilah believed to be a center for making roadside bombs. India Company was assigned to do security patrols the next day and wouldn't be back for another 36 hours. Another Marine was headed up to Lima Company, near the town of Husaybah, considered the region's most dangerous location. After a few more minutes of small talk, the men drifted off the balcony and back to their assigned sleeping areas where they would prepare for another day of "the real war."

In the classic scene from Apocalypse Now, Colonel Kurz, played by Marlon Brando, recounts how he returned to a village shortly after having inoculated the children there against disease in an effort to win 'hearts and minds'. (Hat tip: Gerard Van der Leun of American Digest)

"back there and they had come and hacked off every inoculated arm. There they were in a pile...A pile of little arms. And I remember...I...I...I cried... I wept like some grandmother. I wanted to tear my teeth out. I didn't know what I wanted to do. And I want to remember it. I never want to forget it. I never want to forget. And then I realized...like I was shot...Like I was shot with a diamond...a diamond bullet right through my forehead...And I thought: My God...the genius of that. The genius. The will to do that. Perfect, genuine, complete, crystalline, pure. And then I realized they were stronger than we."

The ultimate difference between Vietnam and Iraq has always been the fact that the Viet Cong could never follow the boys home. But the jihadis will and many are already here, smiling, waving, hating. And they will have nuclear weapons. Failure is not an option.


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: embeddedreport; iraq
Mainstreet Iraq 2

Ron Harris's dispatch on Marines fighting at Al-Qaim, near the Syrian border is a good point of departure to discuss the political and cultural aspects of the war in Iraq because it highlights both the strengths and weaknesses of the campaign so far. From the military point of view American performance has been incomparable. But its political and cultural aspects have been strangely stunted. Part of the problem arises from an American reluctance to wage war on the political and cultural institutions of another society.

The US military dominance of the battlefield and its ability to suppress the activities of criminal gangs has meaning only if it creates the necessary space to peaceably alter the dysfunctional aspects of Middle Eastern society which are the wellsprings of terrorism. What is the use of American military superiority if it simply provides an opportunity for Al Jazeera to spread its propaganda via the newly licit satellite dishes? The normal metrics of military success should also have their cultural analogues. The GWOT cannot be considered won until 90% of the viewership in the Middle East watches something other than Al Jazeera. The campaign in Iraq cannot be considered a success until Baghdad becomes the cultural capital of the Arab world, producing not less than 200 Arabic films a year: comedies, family dramas, stories of Arab boys who have triumphed over adversity to become doctors, scientists and explorers in outer space. Until the day when an Iraqi boy looks at an aircraft and dreams of flying to the moon instead of turning it into a 150 ton bomb the war will not be won. It must be our goal to create a system of education which would make attendance at a madrassa a stultifying experience by comparison: dreaded as a dark place of bad food, harsh punishments and ignorant men. One of our objects must be to create a situation where a degree at the Al-Azhar Islamic university has as much relative value as a correspondence certificate from the Maharishi University. We must work for the day when the Jihadi ninja suit becomes the working attire of a carnival clown.

And the Marines cannot do this with their rifles or valor alone. The problem, as the Belmont Club has pointed out repeatedly, is the exact opposite of that posited by the Press. It is not the soldiers but the cultural force of the nation that is missing in action. We on the home front have let our soldiers down. It is a disgrace that initiatives such as Spirit of America are forthcoming only after a year into the campaign. It is nothing less than scandalous that al-Hurrah, a coalition television station, is only now taking the airwaves. Historians of the future will wonder how a cultural elite, paid on scales unseen before, could have sent 20 year old boys into battle before settling into sofas and jeering them from afar.

In truth, what US soldiers and Marines have accomplished at Qaim, a border town steeped in lawlessness and depravity, is nothing short of miracle. The fact that in recent engagements, they were alerted to danger by the behavior of the inhabitants and have been approached, however timidly, by the people with whom they cannot even converse is astounding in itself.

Although the military conflict will be won the ground, political victory in Iraq will be won on the American front. Many tens of thousands of Americans must be trained to speak Arabic and to understand the cultural terrain of the Middle East better than the inhabitants know it themselves. Only then can the business, personal and scientific relationships which are the true foundation of nation building take place. And on that day the power of the nation will stride forth to the aid of their sons who have served so long and with such little thanks.

1 posted on 04/19/2004 9:26:28 AM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4
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To: wretchard
Belmont Club
2 posted on 04/19/2004 9:30:12 AM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4 (I've lost turret power; I have my nods and my .50. Hooah. I will stay until relieved. White 2 out.)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4
The ultimate difference between Vietnam and Iraq has always been the fact that the Viet Cong could never follow the boys home. But the jihadis will and many are already here, smiling, waving, hating. And they will have nuclear weapons. Failure is not an option.
3 posted on 04/19/2004 9:33:24 AM PDT by TomHarkinIsNotFromIowa (Foe Hammer!)
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To: All
Proof that not everybody in Fallujah hates us:


An Iraqi civilian kisses the hand of U.S. Marine Cpl. Joseph Sharp from Peoria, Ill., after Marines from the 1st Battalion 5th Marines gave him a supply of food and water in Fallujah, Iraq, Monday, April 19, 2004. (AP Photo/John Moore)

4 posted on 04/19/2004 9:44:50 AM PDT by saquin
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To: Cannoneer No. 4
All well said. It takes only weeks to topple an Arab dictatorship. It takes only months to organize an election. But it'll take a whole generation to correct the fundamental cultural defects of a society like Iraq - and it's not a job for the military.
6 posted on 04/19/2004 10:11:16 AM PDT by Filibuster_60
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To: saquin
That must have totally shocked that Marine.
7 posted on 04/19/2004 10:28:22 AM PDT by McGavin999 (Evil thrives when good men do nothing.)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4
Bump
8 posted on 04/19/2004 10:34:31 AM PDT by Grumpy Bear
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To: Cannoneer No. 4; TomHarkinIsNotFromIowa; saquin; sartorius; McGavin999; onyx; Howlin; SierraWasp; ..
Damn system is really slow this morning,

Need help on a Survey... poll:

Bush administration's assertion .. Iraq is a battleground in the war on terrorism?

9 posted on 04/19/2004 10:35:23 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: saquin
I still wouldn't turn my back on him.
10 posted on 04/19/2004 10:45:18 AM PDT by badbass
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To: RobbyS; jaykay; Alamo-Girl; angkor; dennisw; blackie; LibLieSlayer; leadpenny; 2nd Bn, 11th Mar; ...
Belmont Club ping
12 posted on 04/19/2004 1:08:22 PM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4 (I've lost turret power; I have my nods and my .50. Hooah. I will stay until relieved. White 2 out.)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4
these thugs described, those in Iraq (or who have come there from Syria) and would seek to tear down the society as a whole - we shouldn't kid ourselves, we have them in our own country. We need only to look at the 1991 LA riots to see what would happen in our own country if the police "withdrew" from the battlefield, 54 dead, 3000+ wounded, major commercial areas of the city burned and looted. And those riots almost went nationwide.

The thugs in Iraq are very much like our Crips and Bloods and Latino gang members. The celebrants near burning vehicles in the streets are very much like the students at UConn and Iowa. Having access to AK47s and RPGs obviously makes the situation much worse in Iraq, but my point is that we should not kid ourselves that we don't have the same elements in our own country.
13 posted on 04/19/2004 1:19:04 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: Cannoneer No. 4
It is chilling to read belmost club become pessimistic.
I am too: we desire democracy in Iraq, but continue to pretend that we dont face real and present threats to democracy in the midsnt of this process, we act as if stopping al_sadr is an option, not the necessity that it is... we let foul players invade the process. we are failing to deal death to our enemies in fallujah and in najaf, and the article mentions the many 'friends' of the coalition in Iraq that are killed viciously by the thugs, with little remorse or reaction.

"And the Marines cannot do this with their rifles or valor alone. The problem, as the Belmont Club has pointed out repeatedly, is the exact opposite of that posited by the Press. It is not the soldiers but the cultural force of the nation that is missing in action. We on the home front have let our soldiers down. It is a disgrace that initiatives such as Spirit of America are forthcoming only after a year into the campaign. It is nothing less than scandalous that al-Hurrah, a coalition television station, is only now taking the airwaves. Historians of the future will wonder how a cultural elite, paid on scales unseen before, could have sent 20 year old boys into battle before settling into sofas and jeering them from afar."

War is politics by other means.

We cannot win the war without winning the political and ideological battle that it is based on. This global War on Terror is a war between the concept of liberal democracy and its remaining enemies. Socialist (anti-'globalization') and islamicist reactionaries oppose it, and the arab's favorite weapons - terrorism - has become an arm of this struggle.

The simple fact of reality and a global media is a positive component for us, even if it is skewed by the Al Jazeera propoganda... lies can only get you so far.
but without a positive and persistent 'story' we miss our opportunity for victory.


14 posted on 04/19/2004 1:23:02 PM PDT by WOSG (http://freedomstruth.blogspot.com - I salute our brave fallen.)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4
Bttt!
15 posted on 04/19/2004 1:25:07 PM PDT by monkeywrench
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To: Filibuster_60
But it'll take a whole generation to correct the fundamental cultural defects of a society like Iraq - and it's not a job for the military.AMEN!!
16 posted on 04/19/2004 1:30:34 PM PDT by SAMWolf (Bet you can't stop reading here <--- I knew it...)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4
Faliure is not an option ~ Bump!

We are winning ~ the bad guys are losing ~ trolls, terrorists, democrats and the mainstream media are sad ~ very sad!

~~ Bush/Cheney 2004 ~~

17 posted on 04/19/2004 1:37:37 PM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4
Ann Coulter said we should make convert them to Christianity. I guess she was half serious. But our weakness is that we get angry when the Baptists try to do that in the United States. The elite honestly think we can have democracy without Chirstianity. Mayb if you are Japanese and Buddist and can hold contradictory things in the mind at the same time, like the Zen master who buckles his seat belt in an airplane. But can Islam accept the principles of liberal democracy?
18 posted on 04/19/2004 3:10:36 PM PDT by RobbyS (JMJ)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4
Tough article to read.

The accounts from Iraq are as varied as the neighborhoods.

Those in the crime ridden areas make fine spokesmen for our enemies this election year - fine, pull them out and level Sadr City, but do not pretend this represents the majority of troops serving, or the majority of Iraqi people, or that this article won't be used by our enemies.

A very reliable source says that Ron Harris, the reporter, is a good guy. If I were embedded with these Marines, in this location...maybe cutting and running would seem the kind thing to promote - until you wake up and remember 9-11, and the goal of this enemy.

Then this reporting undermines morale, the war effort and becomes one more article in a sea of crap - and HOW can any American troop, or their family - even LEARN what's happening in other AO's in Iraq, dependent as we are, on the enemy press.

We are quick to cave, the country quicker than the Marines, of course.

Bow down to Osama and his master...not an option.

What else is happening in Iraq, 'the will of the vast majority of Iraqis' unreported still...and they, influenced moreso by the closeness of their very real and cruel enemies, and memories of loved ones tortured and killed over three decades under another power-hungry liar.

....the Sheiks of many tribes held a meeting and decided to sign on papers promising that any person dares to breach the peace in their areas will be arrested or killed immediately and no one will protect him even if he was one of their tribes.. this meeting relieved the people so much…
Nearly a similar situation happened in 1999 in ‘Al-Sadr city’ when Saddam killed Muqtada’s father.. the angry people in that disgusting neighborhood made a simple chaos in the beginning , do you know what happened ? do you know how Saddam dealt with them?... a few cars went there immediately and a few men got out of the cars carrying different types of guns and rifles and started to fire continuously at them until all those people entered their houses and many of them were killed and left on the streets… then Saddam’s men completed their mission and went back..

I don’t want to say that the same thing should be done.. but I just want to say that the GC and CPA must control this freedom because it’s used improperly..

http://iraqataglance.blogspot.com/
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1119352/posts?page=48#48
 
Iraqi opinion re. Sadr

19 posted on 04/19/2004 4:47:55 PM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl ("He spares nothing to get to his Marines..They love him." re the command Chaplain in Fallujah,Ramadi)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4
Thanks for the ping!
20 posted on 04/20/2004 6:12:47 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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