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Document: Oklahoma City Bombing Was Taped
AP via Yahoo! ^ | April 19, 2004 | John Solomon

Posted on 04/19/2004 1:23:06 PM PDT by RippleFire

WASHINGTON - A Secret Service document written shortly after the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing described security video footage of the attack and witness testimony that suggested Timothy McVeigh (news - web sites) may have had accomplices at the scene.

"Security video tapes from the area show the truck detonation 3 minutes and 6 seconds after the suspects exited the truck," the Secret Service reported six days after the attack on a log of agents' activities and evidence in the Oklahoma investigation.

The government has insisted McVeigh drove the truck himself and that it never had any video of the bombing or the scene of the Alfred P. Murrah building in the minutes before the April 19, 1995, explosion.

Several investigators and prosecutors who worked the case told The Associated Press they had never seen video footage like that described in the Secret Service log.

The document, if accurate, is either significant evidence kept secret for nine years or a misconstrued recounting of investigative leads that were often passed by word of mouth during the hectic early days of the case, they said.

"I did not see it," said Danny Defenbaugh, the retired FBI (news - web sites) agent who ran the Oklahoma City probe. "If it shows what it says, then it would be significant."

Secret Service spokesman Charles Bopp declined to discuss the video footage reference, saying it would be addressed by witnesses later this week at the capital murder trial of McVeigh co-defendant Terry Nichols. "It is anticipated Secret Service employees will testify in court concerning these matters," he said.

Other documents obtained by AP show the Secret Service in late 1995 gave prosecutors several computer disks of enhanced digital photographs of the Murrah building, intelligence files on several subjects in the investigation and a file detailing an internal affairs inquiry concerning an agent who reconstructed key phone evidence against McVeigh.

"These abstract sheets are sensitive documents which we have protected from disclosure in the past," said a Secret Service letter that recounted discussions in late 1995 with federal prosecutors on what evidence would be turned over to defense lawyers.

Lawyers for Nichols say they have never been given the security video, photo disks or internal investigative file referenced in the documents.

The trial judge has threatened to dismiss the death penalty case if evidence was withheld. McVeigh was executed in 2001 on a separate federal conviction. Nichols was sentenced to life in prison on federal charges before being tried by the state this year.

The government has maintained for years that McVeigh parked the Ryder rental truck carrying a massive fertilizer bomb outside the Murrah building and left alone in a getaway car he parked around the corner. The bombing killed more than 160 people.

The only video prosecutors introduced at trial showed the Ryder truck without any visible passengers as it passed a security camera inside a high-rise apartment building a block away from the Murrah building.

But the Secret Service log reported on April 24 and April 25, 1995, that there was security footage showing the Ryder truck pulling up to the Murrah building. The log does not say where such video came from or who possessed it.

A log entry on April 25 states that the security footage allowed agents to determine the time that elapsed between suspects leaving the truck and the explosion.

An entry a day earlier on the same log reported that the security video was consistent with a witness' account that he saw McVeigh's getaway car in the lead before a woman guided the truck to its final parking spot in front of the Murrah building.

"A witness to the explosion named Grossman claimed to have seen a pale yellow Mercury car with a Ryder truck behind it pulling up to the federal building," the log said. The witness "further claimed to have seen a woman on the corner waving to the truck."

A Secret Service agent named McNally "noted that this fact is significant due to the fact that the security video shows the Ryder truck pulling up to the Federal Building and then pausing (7 to 10 seconds) before resuming into the slot in front of the building," the log said. "It is speculated that the woman was signaling the truck when a slot became available."

Defenbaugh said the FBI had talked to several witnesses suggesting two people had left the truck, but prosecutors never introduced the scenario at trial because it couldn't be corroborated. That's why a new security video would be significant, he said.

"It would have taken the investigation in a very specific direction," Defenbaugh said. "Rather than having to go down an eight-lane highway during rush hour, we would have gone down a faster path with just two or four lanes."

Defenbaugh said the FBI kept a log similar to the Secret Service document inside the Oklahoma City investigation command center that might help solve the mystery of the video. Justice officials declined to discuss documents, citing the ongoing Nichols' trial.

In addition to the witness mentioned in the Secret Service document, a woman working in Murrah's Social Security (news - web sites) office who was rescued from the rubble and a driver outside the building both reported to the FBI seeing two men leave the truck, according to government documents.

The Secret Service (news - web sites) log contained other information about the case — including that McVeigh made 30 calls to an Illinois gun dealer in the months before the attacks to seek dynamite and that the gun dealer subsequently failed a lie detector test. The Secret Service lost six employees in McVeigh's bombing, the single largest loss in agency history.

Nichols' attorneys last week asked the judge to dismiss the case on grounds the government withheld evidence, including the security video footage.

New documents obtained by AP show the Secret Service provided prosecutors other evidence that may not have been provided to defense lawyers, including a file showing the Secret Service agent who reconstructed crucial phone evidence against McVeigh was subjected to an internal affairs investigation and eventually cleared for her conduct in the case.

FBI officials say that file details allegations the agent wrongly collected grand jury-subpoenaed phone information about McVeigh's calls without FBI knowledge, and kept it for weeks while she produced analysis that helped the investigation.

The internal investigation caused complications for prosecutors. They decided it tainted the agent as a witness and they chose instead to hire an outside expert to re-do the phone analysis for trial, officials said.

Bopp said the Secret Service did nothing wrong.

"The Secret Service worked cooperatively with the FBI and other federal state and local law enforcement throughout the investigation," Bopp said. "The expertise of the Secret Service on electronic crimes and telecommunications provided unique and timely information to the ongoing investigation."

On the Net:

The FBI: http://www.fbi.gov

The documents obtained by The Associated Press can be viewed at http://wid.ap.org/documents/okc/okcdoc2.pdf


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To: PISANO
Very interesting
221 posted on 04/19/2004 6:07:51 PM PDT by nuconvert ("America will never be intimidated by thugs and assassins." ...( Azadi baraye Iran)
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To: archy
Thanks for the picture and pointing me to the other posting. I guess the side profile could match up but I still say the frontal drawing and morphing it into Jose Podilla is a real close match.

This Al-Hussaini's chin is to pointy compared to the drawing.

222 posted on 04/19/2004 6:08:15 PM PDT by Spunky (This little tag just keeps following me where ever I go.)
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To: RightWingTeenager
I thought John Doe #2 was found to be Native American, not Arab. Last name Mawaotki or something like that. He was in prison, so there would be some records about that.

There are numerous possibilities and theories, including al-Husseini, Padilla, Todd Bunting, Mawaotki and other possibilities. Comparisons of all of them in one place for consideration by the original witnesses would seem to be a useful step, but only if the idea was to actually identify those with McVeigh on that and other occasions. And that does not appear to be what the FBI had in mind.

223 posted on 04/19/2004 6:10:37 PM PDT by archy (The darkness will come. It will find you,and it will scare you like you've never been scared before.)
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To: RightWingTeenager
I thought John Doe #2 was found to be Native American, not Arab. Last name Mawaotki or something like that. He was in prison, so there would be some records about that.

There are numerous possibilities and theories, including al-Husseini, Padilla, Todd Bunting, Mawaotki and other possibilities. Comparisons of all of them in one place for consideration by the original witnesses would seem to be a useful step, but only if the idea was to actually identify those with McVeigh on that and other occasions. And that does not appear to be what the FBI had in mind.

224 posted on 04/19/2004 6:10:43 PM PDT by archy (The darkness will come. It will find you,and it will scare you like you've never been scared before.)
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To: glock rocks
How about the Airbus 300 with the detachable tail

Yeah, that's another good one. The real puzzle is, of course, what doesn't get mentioned much: Both engines came off, too. Here's the key hint: The tail and engines came off for the same reason.

225 posted on 04/19/2004 6:11:27 PM PDT by eno_ (Freedom Lite - it's almost worth defending)
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To: Husker24
Sure, if the press bothers to get on this for more than two minutes, but I doubt it. The government and the press will bury this.

Goggle this and you will see that coverage of this on FR is much bigger than BIG MEDIA.

Gorelick and her pack of lying liars (you know who they are), could be in for some rough sledding.

But then again, I for one have been waiting for the Clintons to go down for over 10 years now. So I am not holding my breath.

226 posted on 04/19/2004 6:11:50 PM PDT by CT (God Bless The USMC)
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To: eternity
ABC,CBS,NBC,MSNBC. They all contain the letter C. And what does C stand for? CONTROL!!!

Many are *companies* often with extensive ties to South and Central American operations and occurances at the time when those *conpanies* were first formed, and to operations and events involving Mexico, as per the Mexico City aspects of the JFK assassination in 1963. The Spanish language is dominant in those areas.

What is the word for that sort of *company* in the Spanish language?

227 posted on 04/19/2004 6:14:54 PM PDT by archy (The darkness will come. It will find you,and it will scare you like you've never been scared before.)
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To: TonyInOhio
There's a whole lot more to the OKC story than the "mainstream" press has cared to investigate.

I'm even more concerned that the current Department of Justice isn't interested.

228 posted on 04/19/2004 6:17:11 PM PDT by Doe Eyes
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To: Truth666
There was nothing innocent about McVeigh. He was a cold blooded murderer of law enforcement, men, women, and children. He deserved what he got -- death and to rot in hell!
229 posted on 04/19/2004 6:18:54 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- Support Bush-Cheney '04 -- Losing is not an Option!)
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To: gwjack
"The truth shall out" bump
230 posted on 04/19/2004 6:19:20 PM PDT by VOA
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To: RippleFire
I always did think it was just a little too convenient that the tag on McVeighs Car just happened to fall off and provide an excuse for him being pulled over. How often does that happen in real life?

231 posted on 04/19/2004 6:20:16 PM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (Try the waffle house Senator kerry-the Whitehouse is already taken.)
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To: gwjack
Oh my goodness .. 4 minutes!

However, if you request a commission, please TELL them, that NO FORMER MEMBER OF THE CLINTON ADMIN can be a part of it.

No apologies are needed!
232 posted on 04/19/2004 6:21:04 PM PDT by CyberAnt (The 2004 Election is for the SOUL of AMERICA)
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To: Ichneumon
Two plus two do not add up to four in this whole investigation. That's why it smells so bad IMHO! No tips were acted up after they got McVeigh, Nichols, and Fortier -- the Clinton Administration (Gorelick) was content with those arrest and blaming right wingers IMO!
233 posted on 04/19/2004 6:21:04 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- Support Bush-Cheney '04 -- Losing is not an Option!)
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To: Spunky
Thanks for the picture and pointing me to the other posting. I guess the side profile could match up but I still say the frontal drawing and morphing it into Jose Podilla is a real close match.

This Al-Hussaini's chin is to pointy compared to the drawing.

Agreed, particularly when you have the opportunity to compare both side-by-side in photographs. But to a witness who had only seen one, and wearing a hat, from the side, and only for a few seconds, I can easily appreciate how that identification could be made.

And don't forget that the source of the drawings was the FBI. They may well have chosen the drawing least resembling the subject that some of their personnel were helping to avoid scrutiny.

234 posted on 04/19/2004 6:21:07 PM PDT by archy (The darkness will come. It will find you,and it will scare you like you've never been scared before.)
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To: ovrtaxt
Thanks for pointing out this thread to me!
The Clinton, Gorelick, R.Clarke connections to:
WTC,OKC,TWA, and 9-11 is staggering!!!!!

I hope that some of the posts thinking that GW is about to blow the lid off these SOB's comes to be!!!!

235 posted on 04/19/2004 6:26:17 PM PDT by FlashBack (USA...USA...USA...USA...USA...USA...USA...USA...USA...USA..USA...USA!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: PhiKapMom
THe death penalty we can enforce-rotting in hell is a matter that is in the hands of one far more qualified to judge and sentence.

Interesting how speedily some are tried sentenced and executed, while others, for instance Mr. unibomber, has a long drawn out trial and then sentenced to die from old age.

Seems that evil is judged more harshly and sentenced more severely when the perp is out of step with politically correct.
236 posted on 04/19/2004 6:28:31 PM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (Try the waffle house Senator kerry-the Whitehouse is already taken.)
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To: ibbryn
There is a leg that has never been identified. Don't know if that was answered farther down or not.
237 posted on 04/19/2004 6:28:48 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- Support Bush-Cheney '04 -- Losing is not an Option!)
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To: PISANO
They look so much alike that it sends chills up my spine!
238 posted on 04/19/2004 6:30:33 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- Support Bush-Cheney '04 -- Losing is not an Option!)
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To: randog
I saw OK Governor Frank Keating on Fox this morning and he assured me that no one else was involved.

His lips were moving weren't they?

239 posted on 04/19/2004 6:34:14 PM PDT by c-b 1
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To: PhiKapMom
Osama's traveling companion has no legs. Could that one un-identified leg belong to him and maybe the other one blown to smiterines? On the other hand snakes never have legs. Never mind.
240 posted on 04/19/2004 6:34:16 PM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (Try the waffle house Senator kerry-the Whitehouse is already taken.)
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