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Karl Marx? (The Cult of Marx - its origin in Satanism)
www.forerunner.com ^ | January 27, 1997 | Georgi Marchenko

Posted on 04/20/2004 12:28:01 PM PDT by gobucks

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I googled on 'Cult of Marx' today. It's increasingly clear that 'liberals' are disguised followers of the Cult of Marx. I was astonished on how little I found.

This article had some very stunning facts ... the christian references aside.

1 posted on 04/20/2004 12:28:06 PM PDT by gobucks
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To: gobucks
Cult of Marx, Cult of Rand. Different philosophy, same result.
2 posted on 04/20/2004 12:31:11 PM PDT by newgeezer (fundamentalist, regarding the Constitution AND the Holy Bible, i.e. words mean things!)
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To: gobucks
As a believer, I know that all who are not of God are of sons of Satan. It really matters not to what extent the latter acknowledges it, or where they are on the continuum of their 'faith' practice.
3 posted on 04/20/2004 12:37:22 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: anniegetyourgun
Oh brother.

And I read that satanists built the Washington Monument.
4 posted on 04/20/2004 12:40:40 PM PDT by Lunatic Fringe (John F-ing Kerry??? NO... F-ING... WAY!!!)
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To: gobucks
...however their correspondence full of indecencies which are unusual for men of their social position. A lot of obscene words,...

Sounds like our "friends" over at DU.
5 posted on 04/20/2004 12:47:45 PM PDT by babyface00
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To: gobucks
Atheist materialism is the ultimate rejection of reason. It takes too much faith for anyone to truely be an atheist.
6 posted on 04/20/2004 12:51:15 PM PDT by Tribune7 (Vote Toomey -- appeasement doesn't work)
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To: Lunatic Fringe
Of course, didn't you realise? Satanists are everywhere! What I don't understand is why Marx didn't make common cause with the Pope, who everyone knows is the real antichrist. Oh, and moon-worshipping Muslim death-cultists of course.

(puts on tin-foil hat to escape satanic death-rays projected by the Illuminati)

Why does everything that some people disagree with have to be satanic in some way? Are political disagreements passe now?
7 posted on 04/20/2004 12:52:19 PM PDT by Ed Thomas
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To: gobucks
http://www.charm.net/~vacirca/

This guy's philosophy is the liberal guideline of how to live life..... He is the liberal god..... No your enemy, learn their gods.

Why read Gramsci?

Who is Antonio Gramsci and why are his life and writings important to us even though he died in an italian fascist prison over 60 years ago?

Antonio Gramsci was a co-founder of the Italian Communist party, one of the leaders of the 1920 "Ordine Nuovo" Turin factory occupation movement, and author of the Prison Notebooks. He was a revolutionary journalist and mass working class organizer and one of the great communist intellectual theorists of the twentieth century. His marxism was unorthodox, controversial and still not fully understood today. His prison notes were an in depth study of Italian culture and history for the purpose of understanding and defeating italian fascism and launching an italian proletarian cultural revolution. His thinking about fascism, marxism and cultural revolution was full of insights that are still relevant to our struggles today as we try to defeat a resurgent fascistic culture and build a totally new socialist world culture.

Along with Mao, he was one of a handful of early 20th century communists who fully appreciated the central importance of cultural revolution in the struggle for socialism. His insights on the importance of cultural, intellectual as well as political autonomy for working class liberation helped lay the intellectual foundations for the rebirth of revolutionary anti-capitalist working class struggle in Italy in the 60's and 70's. The "Autonomist" New Left in Italy, France and Germany as well as the US New Left with their distinctive emphases on counterculture were all Gramsci's intellectual children. Gramsci is a central part of who we are as revolutionaries in the US and Europe are today. In addition Gramsci has influenced the thinking of many 3rd world revolutionaries in Latin America, as well as new left activists in China, Russia and Eastern Europe looking for new, non-oppressive models of revolutionary struggle. I believe that Gramsci's ideas are one of a number of bodies of new thinking that we will need to synthesize to create a new revolutionary theory for the 21st century.

Finally, and perhaps most importantly, we need to study Gramsci to fully understand Fascism, how and why it was born in Italy and spread like a plague through out Europe in the 20's and 30's and is now a permanent and central feature of imperialist world culture. Unlike most other marxist and democratic opponents of fascism Gramsci wrote about fascism from inside the belly of the beast, as a historical and cultural eyewitness, from the sobering surroundings of a fascist prison cell. If we are ever to get to the dark and complex heart of the phenomenon that is fascism I'm convinced we have to study Gramsci's prison notebooks for that deeper take on fascism we all need.

Marx and Lenin taught that power flows from control of the means of production and the State. Gramsci argued that in addition to control of the economy and the State, in modern Capitalist society control of the culture was essential to seize and hold power. Gramsci's insights on the critical importance of cultural revolution certainly seem to have been borne out by the history of the last 60 years. Mass politics today have, more than ever, become culture wars between the Left and the Right. The historic defeat of socialism and the reemergence of mass rightwing secular and religious movements on a world-wide scale parallels Gramsci's and the italian working class's defeat by fascism in the 1920's in many ways.

It is an ironic and sad comment on the times that today Gramsci's writings are largely accessible only to a handful of intellectuals. Gramsci strongly believed that fascism could only be defeated and a new socialist culture built in Italy by ordinary working people winning intellectual and moral independence for themselves.

So it is particularly important that ordinary people be able to read and think about what Gramsci had to say about cultural revolution and fascism. "GRAMSCI FOR BEGINNERS' is a modest attempt to popularize Gramsci's writings and in so doing return the study of Gramsci to its working class cultural revolutionary roots.

8 posted on 04/20/2004 12:53:43 PM PDT by Porterville (I will enter the liberal land with the Gramsci torch and burn down their house of cards.)
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To: gobucks
This article had some very stunning facts..

Very interesting, thanks. Marx is certainly an interesting and enigmatic figure in history. Whether Marx was "Satanic" I don't know, but I do think he was pathologically mentally ill. The problem with this condition, if it is not violent and has touch of intelligence, is that it is charming to others that neither think analytically, or are themselves mentally ill and are attracted to those with a similar condition.

Regardless of Marx's pathology, be it religious or psychological, the crazy bastard caused a lot of murder and misery that continues to this day. In fact, I do believe that the memo that prevented the FBI from connecting the dots with the CIA and preventing 9/11, has its origins in Marxists needing protection in this country.

9 posted on 04/20/2004 1:03:57 PM PDT by elbucko (The only good commie, is a dead commie.)
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To: babyface00
Sounds like our "friends" over at DU.

LOL. You got that right. I'm no verbal prude, but I don't need punctuate my speech with profanity.

10 posted on 04/20/2004 1:07:20 PM PDT by elbucko (The only good commie, is a dead commie.)
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To: gobucks
BTTT
11 posted on 04/20/2004 1:12:10 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: gobucks
I've seen this sort of thing in action since the '60s. Take any popular group dedicated to "social change" and back-trace their ideological foundations.

For example, take the leading popular feminist group and the face presented to the public. They are extremely devoted to "womens' health" and are deeply concerned that women are not exploited.

Go up a power level in the organization, remove the mask and you generally have a lesbian with a score to settle and attendant emotional baggage.

Step up again in the org., remove the mask and you have a communist dedicated to the downfall of capitalism and Christianity. Their underlings are useful idiots for the agenda.

Under that mask, near the top of the power structure are the Luciferians. Dedicated to their own brilliance and intelligence they gladly use their underlings to secure the new order. After all, they are the architechs of a sane world governed by an all-powerful ruling vehicle. They are doing what they think will be best for future generations.

At the top, Satanists at war with G_d and his children keep their masks on very tight lest their useful idiots smell the abomination they prepare for the drivers's seat of total world power.

But I digress.......
12 posted on 04/20/2004 1:16:22 PM PDT by martian_22 (Who tells you what you are?)
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To: Ed Thomas
Why does everything that some people disagree with have to be satanic in some way?

Because, as in the case of Karl Marx, insanity is impossible, by definition, for the rational mind to comprehend. It is also an inadequacy of language to be able to describe extreme degrees of pseudo-intellect mixed with crazy. "Satan" or "Monster" is the best description that the English language has got.

13 posted on 04/20/2004 1:19:06 PM PDT by elbucko (The only good commie, is a dead commie.)
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To: gobucks
Wow. Bookmark to print later...
14 posted on 04/20/2004 1:33:50 PM PDT by jcb8199
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To: martian_22
and you generally have a lesbian with a score to settle and attendant emotional baggage.

Besides, upon first reading, I find that statement funny, LOL. I think the idea it expresses explains a lot about the changes in our society since the 60's. The influx of women into government and business has not IMHO, been a good thing. They bring a lot of emotional baggage to issues that simply need logical analysis, not "feeling".

15 posted on 04/20/2004 1:37:04 PM PDT by elbucko (The only good commie, is a dead commie & repeal the 19th Amedment.)
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To: gobucks
INTREP - MARXISM
16 posted on 04/20/2004 1:42:46 PM PDT by LiteKeeper
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To: martian_22
Please, keep digressing!

I thought for sure on FR I'd see standard 'Marxism is a run of the mill cult, just a large one' posts in here. I was really surprised my searches didn't show very much.

So, I posted it.
17 posted on 04/20/2004 1:50:11 PM PDT by gobucks (http://oncampus.richmond.edu/academics/classics/students/Ribeiro/laocoon.htm)
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To: Porterville
Gramsci is a central part of who we are as revolutionaries in the US and Europe are today.

I tend to part company with comparisons of the US and any other country on the globe. Especially those of Europeans and European socialists. There were still monarchs and dictators that influenced these peoples lives, the US had shrugged of monarchy in 1776. The only process needed for the fledging republic of the USA was to extend its philosophy of government into the culture; i.e. Natural Law and philosophies of the Enlightenment.

The fact that the US is the most powerful and prosperous nation on the face of the earth is no accident. The tap-root is the founding Fathers notion to turn their backs on European government and culture and let our own take its course.Americans fought the revolution of Marx a hundred years before he wrote of revolution. We destroyed monarchy in the colonies and proceeded to establish an orderly Republic. Something that Europe had not seen since pre Imperial Rome.

The only lessons we have to learn from Europe and Europeans is what not to do.

18 posted on 04/20/2004 1:58:02 PM PDT by elbucko (The only good commie, is a dead commie & repeal the 19th Amedment.)
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To: jcb8199
Well....this is a take on Marx that I never heard before. Very interesting read.
19 posted on 04/20/2004 2:15:07 PM PDT by WVNan (Be faithful in little things, for in them our strength lies. (Mother Teresa))
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To: gobucks
Great read. I have heard before that Engels said of Marx "He is possessed of a thousand demons", but I was not sure if it was allegorical or actual. Now I know a little better.
20 posted on 04/20/2004 2:26:22 PM PDT by keithtoo (W '04 - I'll pass on the ketchup-boy.)
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