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Karl Marx? (The Cult of Marx - its origin in Satanism)
www.forerunner.com ^ | January 27, 1997 | Georgi Marchenko

Posted on 04/20/2004 12:28:01 PM PDT by gobucks

The origin of Marxism is within a satanic mystery cult - something which very few Marxists are aware.

Before Marx became a famous economist and communist, he paid his tribute to humanism. Today, one-third of the world is Marxist.* Many in western countries acknowledge Marxism in one form or another. There are even many professing Christians, many of them highly revered, who are convinced that if Christ said many true things about the Kingdom of God, real answers on how to help hungry, poor and oppressed should be sought by reading Marx.

We've heard that Marx was a deep humanitarian; that he was possessed by the idea of helping the oppressed masses. His belief: The reason behind oppression is capitalism. As soon as this putrid system is destroyed after the time of proletariat's rule, a new society will appear in which everyone will work and receive according to their needs. There will be neither a state that represses individuality, nor war or revolution, but a world-wide brotherhood of nations lasting forever.

Marx opposed any form of religion since it prevented the fulfillment of his communist ideals - the only answer for all the world's problems.

This is the way Marxists explain their position. Yet there are even some Christians who have held similar views. Pastor Ostereier (UK) once preached in a sermon: "Communism, no matter in what form, good or bad as it appears today, is a movement for liberating man from exploitation. We, the members of Christ's body, humbly repenting should acknowledge that we owe a lot to every communist."

I have spent great deal of time and effort studying Marx's thoughts and I was fortunate to find some things that I'd like to share with my readers.

In early youth, Marx was a Christian. The first of Marx's known works was entitled, "Unity of believers in Christ according to the Gospel of John 15:1-14: Unity's meaning, unconditional necessity, and influence." Here we find the following words: "Union with Christ is found in a close and living fellowship with Him and in the fact that we always have Him before our eyes and in our hearts. And at the same time that we are possessed by the greatest love of Him, we direct our hearts to our brothers, with whom He bound us closely, and for whom He sacrificed Himself."

So Marx was aware of the way in which people may show brotherly love towards each other, that is, through Christianity.

He continues: "Therefore, unity with Christ internally exalts, comforts in trials, and makes the heart open to love people, not because of our pride or thirst for fame, but because of Christ."

At the about the same period of time, he writes in his work entitled: "Thoughts of a young man before choosing a profession":

"Religion teaches us the Ideal to Whom we all aspire. He has sacrificed Himself for all mankind. Who will dare to deny such assertions? If we have chosen a profession at which we may give our best to mankind, then we won't falter under its burden, because it is a sacrifice for all."

When he graduated from high school, his diploma contained the following in the category "Religious knowledge":

"His knowledge of Christian teachings and principles is clear and properly based. He also knows the history of Christian church to a great extent."

Soon after receiving of his diploma, something very mysterious happened. Even before Moses Gess led Marx to socialistic persuasions in 1841, he had become a zealous atheist. This change character could be seen in his later student years.

In one of his verses, Marx wrote: "I long to take vengeance on the One Who rules from above." Marx believed that "the One that rules from above" in fact existed. He contended with Him, although God never harmed him. Marx was from a relatively wealthy family. He didn't starve in his childhood and in his student years he lived much better than his friends. So what caused his fierce hatred towards God?

Personal motivations are not available to us. Maybe Marx was only somebody's else speaker in this defiant assertion?

During this period, the following lines are taken from him from the poem entiled: "Conjuration of falling into despair."

I'll set up my throne above, Cold and terrible will be the peak of it. Superstitious trembling is at its base, Master - most black agony.

The one who will look with healthy looks, Will turn away, turn pale and deadly mute. Possessed by blind and cold deathness, will prepare a tomb with his happiness.

The words "I'll set up my throne" and his confession that agony and fear will go forth from the one who is sitting upon the throne, remind us Lucifer's proud boast: "I will ascend to heaven, higher than God's stars I will set up my throne" (Isiah 14:13).

Why did Marx need such a throne? The answer for this question is in an infamous drama written by Marx in his student years. The drama is called "Oulanem." There is a mention of a satanic "Black mass," a ritual conducted by a priest at midnight in which a Bible is burned. All present promise to commit all the seven deadly sins mentioned in the Roman Catholic catechism and to never perform any good works. An orgy follows after that.

Worship of Satan is very old. In Deuteronomy we read that the Jews "made sacrifices to demons" (32:17). Later, the king of Israel, Jeroboam, set up priests of the high places and of the goats and bulls that he made"(2 Kings 12:25-33).

The "Oulanem" can be understood if we read with Marx's bizarre confession made in the verse "Nidler":

Hellish evaporations rise and fill my brains, Until I will go mad and my heart will not change dramatically. See this sword? The King of darkness sold it to me.

These lines have special meaning when we take into account that during the rituals of higher dedication into a satanic cult, a bewitched sword that guarantees a success is sold to the candidate. He pays for it by signing with his blood taken from his vein the contract which makes his soul belong to Satan after death.

And now I'll quote "Oulanem":

For he is marking time and giving signs. Bolder and bolder I play the dance of death. And they too: Oulanem, Oulanem. This name sounds like death, Sounds until won't stop in miserable shapes. Halt! Now I have it. It rises from my soul, Clear as air, hard as my bones. And still, you personified mankind, I may take you by the power of my mighty hands and crush with fierce force In the meantime, as the abyss gapes before me and you in the darkness, You will fall in it and I'll follow you, Laughing and whispering into your ear: "Come down with me, friend!"

The Holy Scripture, which Marx learned in high school, says that devil was cast down by an angel into the abyss (Rev. 20:3). Marx wanted to send all mankind into this abyss prepared for the devil and his angels.

Who speaks for Marx in this drama? Is it reasonable to expect this from such a young man - that he would dream that mankind would fall into the abyss (the "outer darkness" as the Bible calls it), and that he himself laughing will follow those who were ensnared by unbelief? Nowhere in the world is this idea cultivated except in the rituals of dedication into the higher degrees of the Satanic church.

The time to die has come for Oulanem. These are his words:

Perished, perished. My time is over. The clock has stopped, the tiny building has fallen. Soon I'll squeeze eternity to me, and with a wild cry Will speak out a curse to all mankind.

Marx liked to repeat Mephistopheles' words from Goethe's "Faust": "all existing is worthy to be destroyed." All, including the worker and those who fought for communism in battle. Marx liked to quote these words and Stalin acted according to these words and destroyed even his own family.

Members of Satan's cult are not materialists. They believe in life after death. Oulanem, the person whose character Marx assumes, does not deny life after death. But acknowledges it as a life full of hate to the highest degree. I should mention that "eternity" means "torture" to demons. This is the reason why demons rebuked Jesus: "And so they cried out: what do you have to do with us, Jesus, Son of God? Have you come to torture us before our time" (Matt. 8:29).

Marx says the same thing:

Hah, eternity, our eternal pain, Indescribable, unmeasurable death! Disgusting, artificially conceived, To despise us - We, who ourselves, as a clock mechanism Blindly mechanical, created to be Foolish calendars of time and space, Without any purpose, Besides accidental appearance for destruction.

We begin to realize what happened to young Marx. He used to have Christian ideals, but he didn't applying them to his life. His correspondence with his father testifies of spending of large amounts of money for entertainment that caused endless conflicts with his parents. In this situation, he possibly was entangled in the snare of a secret Satanic cult and went through the ritual of dedication. Satan is seen by his followers in hallucinations during the orgies and speaks through their mouths. Marx is just Satan's voice when he proclaims "I want to take vengeance on the One who is above."

Let's go to the end of "Oulanem" drama:

Hah! Tortured on the burning wheel, I must happily dance in the circle of eternity: If there would be anything beyond it, I'd jump into it, even if I had to destroy the world for it.

Build between it and me! It must be destroyed with curses. I'll supress stubborn existence by my hands. Embracing me, it should calmly fade out. And then - down to nowhere. Completely disappear, and not to be - that would be - the life.

In the "Oulanem" drama Marx, in fact, does the same thing as the devil. He curses all humanity.

"Oulanem" is probably the only drama in the world in which all the players are so sure of their sinfulness and revel in it as on a holiday. There is neither white nor black, neither Claudio and Ophelia, Iago and Desdemona. Everything is black in it, and every one appeared to have Mephistopheles' character. All of it's players are demonic and doomed to perish.

When Marx was writing "Oulanem," the young genius was 18. His plan for his life was very clear by that time. He had no illusions about serving mankind, the proletariat or socialism. He wanted to destroy the world, set up a throne for himself that would be based upon the world's shocks, throes and convulsions.

At this stage, Marx's views were developing. Some mysterious things appear in his correspondence with his father. For instance, the son writes: "The cover has fallen, my Holy of Holies was emptied and there was a need to put new gods there." This was written on November 10, 1837 by the young fellow who previously professed to be a Christian. He used to profess that Christ inhabited in his heart. Suddenly this turned upside-down. What new gods replaced Christ's place?

Marx's father replied (February 10, 1838): "I didn't demand any explanations about such a mysterious thing, though it seems to be very controversial." What was that mysterious thing? No biographer has been able to explain these puzzling words.

What suddenly caused young Marx's father to express anxiety for controversial influences on his young son?

In a poem, Karl Marx wrote:

I have lost heaven, And know that for sure. My soul, once faithful to God, Now is destined for hell.

We need not comment.

Marx began with proud ambitions in art. His verse and drama were important for the discovery of his inner world, but because of the absence of poetic talent, they remained useless. Failures in painting and architecture gave us Hitler; in drama - Goebels; in philosophy - Rosenberg.

Marx was the implacable enemy of all gods, a man who bought a sword from the prince of darkness for the price of his own soul.

Did Marx really buy a sword from the Satan?

His daughter, Eleonora, wrote book entitled: "The Moor and the general - memoirs of Marx and Engels." She says that Karl told many stories to her and his other daughter when they were children. Her favorite story was about some one named Hans Rekle. This story was continued for months and seemed to never end. Hans Rekle was a wizard who had a toy shop and a lot of debts. Though he was wizard, he constantly was in need of money. Therefore, in spite of his desire, he had to sell all his cute toys one by one to the devil. Eleonora wrote that some of these adventures were so awful that her hair stood on end.

Robert Payne, in his book "Marx," also tells in detail, from Eleonora's words, how the poor wizard Rekle unwillingly was selling his toys keeping them until the very last moment. But because he had an agreement with devil, he was unable to escape.

The biographer comments: "Scarely can we doubt that those never ending stories were autobiographic. Sometimes it seemed as though he was realizing that he was performing the devil's duty." Marx didn't conceive of socialism when was finishing "Oulanem" and other early works in which he admits he made a pact with Satan.

At that time Marx met Moses Gess, the man who played most significant role in his life and led Marx to accept socialistic ideals.

In a letter to B. Auerbasch (1841), Gess characterized Marx as "the greatest, possibly the only, philosopher of today ... Dr. Marx is very young (24 years old at the most); he'll strike the final blow on religion and philosophy." So the first target was to strike a blow to religion not socialism.

It is a myth that Marx had been pursuing the ideal of helping mankind, that religion was the obstacle on the way to the realization of those ideals, and that this was the reason why he took an anti-religious position. On the contrary, Marx hated all gods and couldn't hear about God. Socialism was only a decoy to attract the proletariat and intelligensia to the realization of a satanic ideal.

Marx publicly spoke about metaphysics very little, but we can gather information about his views from those with whom he communicated. One of his co-members in the First International was Mikhail Bakunin - a Russian anarchist who wrote that the devil was the first free thinker and the world savior; that the devil liberated Adam and sealed his face with the seal of humanism making him disobedient.

Bakunin not only glorified Lucifer, but had a concrete program of revolution - but not the kind that is able to free the poor from oppression. He wrote: "In this revolution, we'll have to wake up the devil in people in order to stir up their lowest passions."

Here it is very important to give special signicficance to the fact that Marx and his friends, being against God, were not atheists as modern Marxists call themselves. Although they denied God publicly, they hated the One Whose existence they never doubted.

All active Satanists have a disorderly personal life, Marx was no exception. Arnold Kunzli, in his book, "Marx - Psychography," wrote that Marx was guilty of causing the suicide of two of his daughters and one son-in-law. His daughter Laura also buried three of her own children and then committed suicide together with her husband.

Marx had lost a lot of money on the exchange. Being a brilliant economist, he nevertheless could only loose money.

Since everything in a satanic cult is covered by secrecy, we only have a suspicion that Marx had ties to the cult. His slovenly life could be one more in the chain of evidence.

Marx was a highly intelligent person, as was Engels, however their correspondence full of indecencies which are unusual for men of their social position. A lot of obscene words, but never do we read of these idealists communicating their humanistic or socialistic dreams.

Everything in Marx' behavior had a demonic character. His friend Weitling wrote: "Usual topics for conversation with Marx are atheism, the guillotine, Hegel, rope and knife." Being a Jew himself, he wrote an anti-semetic book called, "The Jewish Question." He hated not only Jews. He hated Germans and asserted that "only a stick can raise a German." He use to talk about "the dumb German nation" and the fact that "German, Chinese and Jewish people can be compared to the street vendors." Finally, he makes mentions of "the disgusting national narrow-mindedness of Germans" (A. Kunzli "Marx - Psychography.") He counted Russians as a people of the lowest sort, "a barbarian race," and called Slavics - "ethnic garbage."

So we have paid some attention to several inclinations that allow us to believe that Marx may well ahve been a Satanist.

Here is one more interesting fact. Captain Reese, a disciple of Marx, grieved by the news of his death, went to London to visit the house where his beloved teacher once lived. The Marx family had already left the home and he was only able to talk to the servant who lived in the same house. He heard the following amazing words about Marx from her: "He was a man with the fear of God. When he was very ill, he used to pray alone in his room before burning candles, wound round his head was something like tape." This reminds philacteries used by the Jews during their morning prayers. But Marx was baptized in a Christian church. He never confessed Judaism and later became an enemy of God. He had been writing books against religion and had brought up all his children to be atheists. So what was that ceremony which the uneducated servant understood to be a prayer? Praying Jews with phylacteries on their face never place a row of candles before them. Could it have been some sort of a satanic ritual?

Another possible hint is in a letter to Marx from his son Edgar, dated March 21, 1854. It begins with these astonishing words, "My Dear Devil." Where else does a son greet his father in such a ridiculous way? But Satanists write so to the ones they love. Was his son involved too?

One more significant fact, Marx wife wrote to him in August of 1844: "Your last pastoral letter, Higher Priest and soul Possessor, brought peace and calmness to your poor flock."

Marx clearly expressed his dream concerning the elimination of all religions in "Communist Manifesto." We should assume satanic cults were included here too. But his wife addresses him as a Higher Priest. But of what religion? The only faith confessed in Europe where a Higher Priest is present is Satanism. So what kind of pastoral letters could a man write who was known as an atheist? Where are those letters? These are periods of Marx's life that remain unexplored.

Marx died in desperation, as all Satanists die. He wrote to Engels on March 25, 1883, "How purposeless and empty life is, but how desired!"

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The Cult of Lenin

Marxism hides a mystery of which very few Marxists are aware. Yet Lenin wrote a half century later that none of the Marxists comprehended Marx.

There is a mystery in Lenin's life too. Here is what he wrote about the Soviet state: "The State is in our hands. And did it act this year according to the new economic policy as we desired? No, it didn't. We don't want to admit the following: it acted not as we desired. So how did it act? The machine jumped out of our hands: as if another person controlled it, and the machine didn't go to the place where we directed it, but went to the place where that someone else dictated."

What were those mysterious forces that overcame the plans of former Bolshevik's leaders? They gave life to a force, hoping to control it, but it appeared to be more terrible than they expected. What made them desperate?

I do not pretend that I have found perfect evidence of Marx's membership in a Satanic cult. But I believe there is a lot of information that points us to such a conclusion.

Again: I realize, the information given here by myself is far from perfect. This question has to be researched in details by someone else. However, from what is written here, we may conclude - that the Marx described by Marxists is nothing more than a myth.

The Marx who loves all people is a myth created after his death.

Darwin's book made Marx really happy. In his opinion, it was one more blow that forced man to forget his Godly origin and his great destiny. Darwin said that a man evolved from the ape and has no other purpose but to survive.

Satan was not able to pull down God's throne. Therefore, he made men valueless. Man was represented as a slave of his stomach and a descendant of an animal.

Later Freud continued the work of those two satanic giants, reducing human beings to base sexual instincts which sometimes give rise to politics, art and religion.

* * * * * * * Some more before I finish. I have saved most important for the end.

Jesus spoke to the church at Pergamos some peculiar words: "I know your works, and where you dwell, where Satan's throne is" (Rev. 2,13). Evidently, Pergamos was the center of a satanic cult in ancient times. A famous tourist book by Bedecker mentions, in a section dedicated to Berlin, that since 1944, the Altar of Pergamos was placed in one of Berlin's museums after it was excavated by German archeologists.

But this is not the end of the Satanic altar story. The Swedish paper "Swenska Dagbladet" reported the following on January 27, 1948:

1. After capturing Berlin, the Soviet Army removed the original Satanic altar to Moscow. (Strange, but for a long time the altar was not shown in any Soviet museum. Why it was necessary to remove it to Moscow? I mentioned earlier that some higher leaders of the Soviet hierarchy practiced satanic rituals. Possibly they wanted to keep the altar of Pergamos for their personal usage? There are many dark spots here. Even fragments of such precious archeological rarities don't disappear.)

2. Architect Schusev, who built Lenin's tomb, took the Pergamos altar as the project prototype. This was in 1924. It's a known fact that Schusev received all the needed information from Frederic Paulsen - an acknowledged authority in archeology.

Satan's altar of Pergamos was only one of a kind. Why did Christ point to it? Perhaps because it was to play a leading role. His words were prophetic.

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Endnote from the translator - Lenin's tomb is still standing today in the very center of Moscow, Red Square, containing the dead body of the person who made the most terrible and costly revolution and civil war in our history. Despite the number of proposals to bury the body, it remains at the same location five years after the Soviet Union's collapse.


TOPICS: Philosophy
KEYWORDS: cult; leninism; marxism; oulanem; satanism
I googled on 'Cult of Marx' today. It's increasingly clear that 'liberals' are disguised followers of the Cult of Marx. I was astonished on how little I found.

This article had some very stunning facts ... the christian references aside.

1 posted on 04/20/2004 12:28:06 PM PDT by gobucks
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To: gobucks
Cult of Marx, Cult of Rand. Different philosophy, same result.
2 posted on 04/20/2004 12:31:11 PM PDT by newgeezer (fundamentalist, regarding the Constitution AND the Holy Bible, i.e. words mean things!)
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To: gobucks
As a believer, I know that all who are not of God are of sons of Satan. It really matters not to what extent the latter acknowledges it, or where they are on the continuum of their 'faith' practice.
3 posted on 04/20/2004 12:37:22 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: anniegetyourgun
Oh brother.

And I read that satanists built the Washington Monument.
4 posted on 04/20/2004 12:40:40 PM PDT by Lunatic Fringe (John F-ing Kerry??? NO... F-ING... WAY!!!)
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To: gobucks
...however their correspondence full of indecencies which are unusual for men of their social position. A lot of obscene words,...

Sounds like our "friends" over at DU.
5 posted on 04/20/2004 12:47:45 PM PDT by babyface00
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To: gobucks
Atheist materialism is the ultimate rejection of reason. It takes too much faith for anyone to truely be an atheist.
6 posted on 04/20/2004 12:51:15 PM PDT by Tribune7 (Vote Toomey -- appeasement doesn't work)
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To: Lunatic Fringe
Of course, didn't you realise? Satanists are everywhere! What I don't understand is why Marx didn't make common cause with the Pope, who everyone knows is the real antichrist. Oh, and moon-worshipping Muslim death-cultists of course.

(puts on tin-foil hat to escape satanic death-rays projected by the Illuminati)

Why does everything that some people disagree with have to be satanic in some way? Are political disagreements passe now?
7 posted on 04/20/2004 12:52:19 PM PDT by Ed Thomas
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To: gobucks
http://www.charm.net/~vacirca/

This guy's philosophy is the liberal guideline of how to live life..... He is the liberal god..... No your enemy, learn their gods.

Why read Gramsci?

Who is Antonio Gramsci and why are his life and writings important to us even though he died in an italian fascist prison over 60 years ago?

Antonio Gramsci was a co-founder of the Italian Communist party, one of the leaders of the 1920 "Ordine Nuovo" Turin factory occupation movement, and author of the Prison Notebooks. He was a revolutionary journalist and mass working class organizer and one of the great communist intellectual theorists of the twentieth century. His marxism was unorthodox, controversial and still not fully understood today. His prison notes were an in depth study of Italian culture and history for the purpose of understanding and defeating italian fascism and launching an italian proletarian cultural revolution. His thinking about fascism, marxism and cultural revolution was full of insights that are still relevant to our struggles today as we try to defeat a resurgent fascistic culture and build a totally new socialist world culture.

Along with Mao, he was one of a handful of early 20th century communists who fully appreciated the central importance of cultural revolution in the struggle for socialism. His insights on the importance of cultural, intellectual as well as political autonomy for working class liberation helped lay the intellectual foundations for the rebirth of revolutionary anti-capitalist working class struggle in Italy in the 60's and 70's. The "Autonomist" New Left in Italy, France and Germany as well as the US New Left with their distinctive emphases on counterculture were all Gramsci's intellectual children. Gramsci is a central part of who we are as revolutionaries in the US and Europe are today. In addition Gramsci has influenced the thinking of many 3rd world revolutionaries in Latin America, as well as new left activists in China, Russia and Eastern Europe looking for new, non-oppressive models of revolutionary struggle. I believe that Gramsci's ideas are one of a number of bodies of new thinking that we will need to synthesize to create a new revolutionary theory for the 21st century.

Finally, and perhaps most importantly, we need to study Gramsci to fully understand Fascism, how and why it was born in Italy and spread like a plague through out Europe in the 20's and 30's and is now a permanent and central feature of imperialist world culture. Unlike most other marxist and democratic opponents of fascism Gramsci wrote about fascism from inside the belly of the beast, as a historical and cultural eyewitness, from the sobering surroundings of a fascist prison cell. If we are ever to get to the dark and complex heart of the phenomenon that is fascism I'm convinced we have to study Gramsci's prison notebooks for that deeper take on fascism we all need.

Marx and Lenin taught that power flows from control of the means of production and the State. Gramsci argued that in addition to control of the economy and the State, in modern Capitalist society control of the culture was essential to seize and hold power. Gramsci's insights on the critical importance of cultural revolution certainly seem to have been borne out by the history of the last 60 years. Mass politics today have, more than ever, become culture wars between the Left and the Right. The historic defeat of socialism and the reemergence of mass rightwing secular and religious movements on a world-wide scale parallels Gramsci's and the italian working class's defeat by fascism in the 1920's in many ways.

It is an ironic and sad comment on the times that today Gramsci's writings are largely accessible only to a handful of intellectuals. Gramsci strongly believed that fascism could only be defeated and a new socialist culture built in Italy by ordinary working people winning intellectual and moral independence for themselves.

So it is particularly important that ordinary people be able to read and think about what Gramsci had to say about cultural revolution and fascism. "GRAMSCI FOR BEGINNERS' is a modest attempt to popularize Gramsci's writings and in so doing return the study of Gramsci to its working class cultural revolutionary roots.

8 posted on 04/20/2004 12:53:43 PM PDT by Porterville (I will enter the liberal land with the Gramsci torch and burn down their house of cards.)
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To: gobucks
This article had some very stunning facts..

Very interesting, thanks. Marx is certainly an interesting and enigmatic figure in history. Whether Marx was "Satanic" I don't know, but I do think he was pathologically mentally ill. The problem with this condition, if it is not violent and has touch of intelligence, is that it is charming to others that neither think analytically, or are themselves mentally ill and are attracted to those with a similar condition.

Regardless of Marx's pathology, be it religious or psychological, the crazy bastard caused a lot of murder and misery that continues to this day. In fact, I do believe that the memo that prevented the FBI from connecting the dots with the CIA and preventing 9/11, has its origins in Marxists needing protection in this country.

9 posted on 04/20/2004 1:03:57 PM PDT by elbucko (The only good commie, is a dead commie.)
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To: babyface00
Sounds like our "friends" over at DU.

LOL. You got that right. I'm no verbal prude, but I don't need punctuate my speech with profanity.

10 posted on 04/20/2004 1:07:20 PM PDT by elbucko (The only good commie, is a dead commie.)
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To: gobucks
BTTT
11 posted on 04/20/2004 1:12:10 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: gobucks
I've seen this sort of thing in action since the '60s. Take any popular group dedicated to "social change" and back-trace their ideological foundations.

For example, take the leading popular feminist group and the face presented to the public. They are extremely devoted to "womens' health" and are deeply concerned that women are not exploited.

Go up a power level in the organization, remove the mask and you generally have a lesbian with a score to settle and attendant emotional baggage.

Step up again in the org., remove the mask and you have a communist dedicated to the downfall of capitalism and Christianity. Their underlings are useful idiots for the agenda.

Under that mask, near the top of the power structure are the Luciferians. Dedicated to their own brilliance and intelligence they gladly use their underlings to secure the new order. After all, they are the architechs of a sane world governed by an all-powerful ruling vehicle. They are doing what they think will be best for future generations.

At the top, Satanists at war with G_d and his children keep their masks on very tight lest their useful idiots smell the abomination they prepare for the drivers's seat of total world power.

But I digress.......
12 posted on 04/20/2004 1:16:22 PM PDT by martian_22 (Who tells you what you are?)
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To: Ed Thomas
Why does everything that some people disagree with have to be satanic in some way?

Because, as in the case of Karl Marx, insanity is impossible, by definition, for the rational mind to comprehend. It is also an inadequacy of language to be able to describe extreme degrees of pseudo-intellect mixed with crazy. "Satan" or "Monster" is the best description that the English language has got.

13 posted on 04/20/2004 1:19:06 PM PDT by elbucko (The only good commie, is a dead commie.)
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To: gobucks
Wow. Bookmark to print later...
14 posted on 04/20/2004 1:33:50 PM PDT by jcb8199
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To: martian_22
and you generally have a lesbian with a score to settle and attendant emotional baggage.

Besides, upon first reading, I find that statement funny, LOL. I think the idea it expresses explains a lot about the changes in our society since the 60's. The influx of women into government and business has not IMHO, been a good thing. They bring a lot of emotional baggage to issues that simply need logical analysis, not "feeling".

15 posted on 04/20/2004 1:37:04 PM PDT by elbucko (The only good commie, is a dead commie & repeal the 19th Amedment.)
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To: gobucks
INTREP - MARXISM
16 posted on 04/20/2004 1:42:46 PM PDT by LiteKeeper
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To: martian_22
Please, keep digressing!

I thought for sure on FR I'd see standard 'Marxism is a run of the mill cult, just a large one' posts in here. I was really surprised my searches didn't show very much.

So, I posted it.
17 posted on 04/20/2004 1:50:11 PM PDT by gobucks (http://oncampus.richmond.edu/academics/classics/students/Ribeiro/laocoon.htm)
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To: Porterville
Gramsci is a central part of who we are as revolutionaries in the US and Europe are today.

I tend to part company with comparisons of the US and any other country on the globe. Especially those of Europeans and European socialists. There were still monarchs and dictators that influenced these peoples lives, the US had shrugged of monarchy in 1776. The only process needed for the fledging republic of the USA was to extend its philosophy of government into the culture; i.e. Natural Law and philosophies of the Enlightenment.

The fact that the US is the most powerful and prosperous nation on the face of the earth is no accident. The tap-root is the founding Fathers notion to turn their backs on European government and culture and let our own take its course.Americans fought the revolution of Marx a hundred years before he wrote of revolution. We destroyed monarchy in the colonies and proceeded to establish an orderly Republic. Something that Europe had not seen since pre Imperial Rome.

The only lessons we have to learn from Europe and Europeans is what not to do.

18 posted on 04/20/2004 1:58:02 PM PDT by elbucko (The only good commie, is a dead commie & repeal the 19th Amedment.)
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To: jcb8199
Well....this is a take on Marx that I never heard before. Very interesting read.
19 posted on 04/20/2004 2:15:07 PM PDT by WVNan (Be faithful in little things, for in them our strength lies. (Mother Teresa))
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To: gobucks
Great read. I have heard before that Engels said of Marx "He is possessed of a thousand demons", but I was not sure if it was allegorical or actual. Now I know a little better.
20 posted on 04/20/2004 2:26:22 PM PDT by keithtoo (W '04 - I'll pass on the ketchup-boy.)
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To: martian_22
"Take any popular group dedicated to "social change" and back-trace their ideological foundations. "

You are right on and accurate and I have scratched the surface on the Marxist scene since my father was a communist from 1925- 1965 and a useful idiot to the movement -- his "comrades" were hateful and mean with love only power and hated the US and our system.

I got to know the face of hate on the members of the party as a kid and I saw the same hate on the VC in Vietnam as a soldier and now the same hate on the faces of the Islamo-fascists with bombs strapped to themselves.

21 posted on 04/20/2004 2:58:47 PM PDT by BeAllYouCanBe (You are what you eat.)
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To: gobucks
I don't know if Marx really acted in league with satanism, but he surely acted in line with it.

And we DO know them by their fruits.


22 posted on 04/20/2004 3:04:28 PM PDT by Petronski (I'm not always cranky.)
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To: elbucko
It is a liberal article, it is just to point out that they follow his theories of cultural disruption.... Gramsci is every social re-constructionalist's General Che.... in today's world he is the communist spiritual leader, like a communist Gahndi.
23 posted on 04/20/2004 3:49:10 PM PDT by Porterville (Kerry has no gravitas!!!)
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To: newgeezer
"Cult of Marx, Cult of Rand. Different philosophy, same result"

Oh come now. Let us count the millions of deaths from Marx, the the deaths from Randianism. Oh wait, that number is infinitesimal for Rand. Even if you counta abortion, there are more Catholic abortionists than Randians. Please, let's use facts in our discourse, not bloviation.

24 posted on 04/20/2004 4:23:17 PM PDT by FastCoyote
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To: FastCoyote
Please, let's use facts in our discourse, not bloviation.

Call it 'bloviation' if you will, but Humanism in any form has the same result (eternal damnation).

25 posted on 04/21/2004 6:13:47 AM PDT by newgeezer (fundamentalist, regarding the Constitution AND the Holy Bible, i.e. words mean things!)
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To: elbucko
The American culture was becoming too successful so a good shot of social disarray and degradation was injected to control the problem.

Every human demographic and sphere of influence were acted upon. Like you said, reason was replaced with emotion in way too much popular "thinking". I believe that maturity is indicated by the appropriate use of each.

On the 19th.....They went for the weak spot first. IMHO
26 posted on 04/21/2004 9:28:17 AM PDT by martian_22 (Who tells you what you are?)
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To: gobucks
You may try searching the historical linkage, if any, between the old Baron Rothschild and Adam Kaupfman(sp), both said to be satanists by legend.

Also, the ties from Kaupfman to all the "mystery lodges" of light(luciferians). Some people contend that prominent socialists, communists and capitalists were members of these new order light lodges going into the 20th century.

Politics and religion have always been side-by-side. IMHO
27 posted on 04/21/2004 9:43:56 AM PDT by martian_22 (Who tells you what you are?)
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To: BeAllYouCanBe
The force of hate can be clearly seen in people with murderous intent. It goes way beyond the "protection of homeland" honest defender look. It can't be measured with instruments that I know of but one can see it none the less.

Good Lord I'm an Oscar Meyer wiener.
28 posted on 04/21/2004 9:53:49 AM PDT by martian_22 (Who tells you what you are?)
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To: gobucks
I read a good book on this topic years ago called Marx and Satan, by Richard Wurmbrandt. I think it's out of print now, but the book goes into a lot of detail about the connections between Marx and Satanism.
29 posted on 04/21/2004 9:58:11 AM PDT by JHL
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To: gobucks
bttt
30 posted on 04/21/2004 10:01:41 AM PDT by CGVet58 (God has granted us liberty, and we owe Him courage in return)
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To: Lunatic Fringe
I don't know who built the monument.

My point is that He says one is either for Him or against Him.

31 posted on 04/21/2004 10:23:26 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: JHL
Thanks for the reference.
32 posted on 04/21/2004 2:49:00 PM PDT by gobucks (http://oncampus.richmond.edu/academics/classics/students/Ribeiro/laocoon.htm)
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To: martian_22
Thanks for the tip ... who is adam kaupfman?
33 posted on 04/21/2004 2:49:44 PM PDT by gobucks (http://oncampus.richmond.edu/academics/classics/students/Ribeiro/laocoon.htm)
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To: martian_22; gobucks
You're not thinking of Adam Weishaupt, are you?
34 posted on 04/21/2004 5:29:58 PM PDT by inquest (The only problem with partisanship is that it leads to bipartisanship)
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To: inquest
Yes. Thank you. I couldn't quite remember the name or spelling accurately.
35 posted on 04/22/2004 10:50:14 AM PDT by martian_22 (Who tells you what you are?)
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To: gobucks
See above post. From what I remember, Adam Weishaupt was also instrumental in producing the Protocols of the Elders of Zion to scapegoat the Jews for the future new order operations. His major claim to fame was bringing "illumination" to the mystery schools at the turn of the 19th century.
36 posted on 04/22/2004 10:58:19 AM PDT by martian_22 (Who tells you what you are?)
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To: gobucks

Did you get this information from Richard Wurmbrand’s book [u]Marx & Satan[/u]?


37 posted on 05/26/2010 8:11:59 PM PDT by Whatzamatta
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