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Jordan Police Kill Four Terror Suspects (WMDs Jordan)
AP ^ | April 20, 2004 3:55 PM | JAMAL HALABY

Posted on 04/20/2004 4:15:21 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182

AMMAN, Jordan - Authorities stormed a basement in a poor neighborhood of the Jordanian capital Tuesday, killing four men believed to have ties to an al-Qaida-linked cell that plotted simultaneous bombing and chemical attacks against the U.S. Embassy and other targets.

Three other men were detained at the hide-out, according to an Associated Press photographer at the scene.

It was not immediately clear what relationship the detained men had with the slain terror suspects. Three of the dead were foreigners, government spokeswoman Asma Khader said without giving their nationalities.

The bomb plot was disclosed earlier this week and was said to have been foiled following the arrests of several suspects in two raids in late March and early April. Had the chemical bomb exploded, it could have killed at least 20,000 people and wrecked buildings within a half-mile radius, government officials say.

Jordan, a moderate Arab nation with close ties to the United States and a peace treaty with Israel, has been targeted by al-Qaida and other groups.

The nearly four-hour operation began in Tuesday afternoon when hundreds of policemen, acting on a tip, surrounded a one-mile area around the one-story, white-brick building in the eastern Hashemi district of Amman, a predominantly Palestinian area.

Police called for the suspects to surrender, but they responded with gunfire, the statement said.

About 2 1/2 hours into the operation, police fired several volleys of tear gas at the hide-out.

"Open the door! Surrender!" shouted a Special Forces security man in black uniform through a loudspeaker after police arrested one of three men trying to escape from the back of the house.

Shortly afterward, about six Special Forces men wearing gas masks stormed the house, breaking down the door with an iron bar. Smoke, apparently from a tear gas canister that was fired by the security forces, was seen rising from the basement.

Two men, one bearded, were dragged out of the house. Authorities handcuffed them and forced them to lie on their bellies on the ground next to the first suspect. An official in civilian clothes slapped the men on the face and screamed abuse at them.

Joyful women on balconies of nearby buildings ululated and boys clapped and whistled as police took the three away. Some security forces were slightly injured in the operation.

A security official, speaking on condition of anonymity, told AP that the four killed were believed to have links to a group that plotted to detonate a powerful chemical bomb against Jordan's secret service, and use poison gas against the prime minister's office, the U.S. Embassy and other diplomatic missions.

"Information made available to security authorities pointed to the presence of an armed group which had plotted to carry out terror attacks," the police statement said.

The U.S. Embassy in Amman declined comment on Tuesday's shootout. But other Western diplomatic officials contacted by AP said they believed there was a link between the al-Qaida-linked terror threat and the slain suspects.

Authorities have said the suspects in the earlier raids entered Jordan from Syria, which denies the allegation.

Police said several of the terror suspects arrested last month confessed that the plots were hatched by Jordanian militant Abu-Musab al-Zarqawi, thought to be a close associate of al-Qaida boss Osama bin Laden.

U.S. officials have offered a $10 million reward for al-Zarqawi's capture, saying he is trying to build a network of foreign militants in neighboring Iraq to work on al-Qaida's behalf.

Twenty-two Arab men were convicted in a plot that targeted U.S. and Israeli tourists in the 2000 millennium celebrations in Jordan.

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Associated Press reporters Hussein Malla and Shafika Mattar contributed to this story.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: jordan; wmd; wot
It looks like they have the information tap turned off at the US embassy. I still have not found anything indicating what kind of poison gas was involved except the questionable report from John Loftus.

Jordan King says WMD Vx gas attack stopped. Al Qaeda/Syrian connection suspected.

This whole thing likely will be written of as just another terrorist incident without more disclosure.

1 posted on 04/20/2004 4:15:24 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Anti-Bubba182
The silence on this issue is weird. No news on the major networks at all. I think I heard it mentioned briefly on Fox.

Was it really Vx or Sarin??
Sounds like it came from Syria. But Syrian gov't says no way.
Is it Iraqi WMD that got hidden in Syria by Al qaeda?

Is this story still brewing or fading away?

I can't figure it out.
2 posted on 04/20/2004 5:03:44 PM PDT by revtown
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To: revtown
The "mainstream" news organizations are doing their best to bury this story - it wouldn't wear well with Pacifist Kerry's ideas.
3 posted on 04/20/2004 5:39:01 PM PDT by The Sons of Liberty
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To: Anti-Bubba182; SierraWasp; NormsRevenge; Grampa Dave; blam; Dog; Cap Huff; Coop; swarthyguy; ...
This story needs more eyeballs!
4 posted on 04/20/2004 5:43:10 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: The Sons of Liberty
What about FoxNews? Why would they bury the story?

Something doesn't make sense.
5 posted on 04/20/2004 5:45:55 PM PDT by Quick1
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Thanks.
6 posted on 04/20/2004 5:59:24 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Quick1
The AP story has been on Fox's website:

Officials: Chemical Attacks Thwarted in Jordan

I don't see them doing anything on this unless they find out the gas was VX or something.

7 posted on 04/20/2004 6:03:55 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
It's on the Sac Bee as well ..

Jordan says it foiled major terror plot; 4 dead

King Abdullah had his hand forced, welcome to kinghood, son. .. job well done ..

This has to make Assad cringe. ;-)

8 posted on 04/20/2004 6:04:48 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi Mac ... Become a FR Monthly Donor ... Kerry thread archive @ /~normsrevenge)
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To: NormsRevenge
I hope Assad is cringing...I want that new book "End Game" by the FOXNEWS Military General consultants McInerney and Valleley (Sp?) where they talk about Iran and Syria and how they are meddling in Iraq big time.
9 posted on 04/20/2004 6:28:37 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
The story was posted on another thread as "3 Terror Suspects Gunned Down in Jordan". See this comment here for a different point of view. Looks like we dropped the ball and forgot to ping you, sorry.

--Boot Hill

10 posted on 04/20/2004 6:28:39 PM PDT by Boot Hill (Candy-gram for Osama bin Mongo, candy-gram for Osama bin Mongo!!!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
I've seen and heard both a few times the last week .. 8 nations are at the core of the mess we are in globally.

My wife was in Vallely's unit (PsyOps) here some years back, heck of a nice fellow.

11 posted on 04/20/2004 6:31:42 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi Mac ... Become a FR Monthly Donor ... Kerry thread archive @ /~normsrevenge)
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To: Boot Hill
Don't Be Surprised When Iraqi WMD Found (Rush)

If rush is taking about this the story is going to go far. This may light a fire under somebody.

12 posted on 04/20/2004 6:41:58 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Boot Hill
That is fine, not getting pinged on everything.

This does seem like it could turn into a big story!
13 posted on 04/20/2004 6:49:17 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: Anti-Bubba182; Liz; Howlin; ALOHA RONNIE; RonDog; Grampa Dave; BOBTHENAILER; SierraWasp; ...
Authorities have said the suspects in the earlier raids entered Jordan from Syria, which denies the allegation.

Anyone else miss this WMD info? My radio news today was FILLED with a ton of other crap...

14 posted on 04/20/2004 7:06:07 PM PDT by Libloather (There isn't enough Levitra on the planet to keep Kerry in this game...)
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To: Libloather
bump
15 posted on 04/20/2004 7:07:56 PM PDT by Soaring Feather (~The Dragon Flies' Lair~ Poetry and Prose~)
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To: revtown
" The silence on this issue is weird. "

Not when you consider that all the talking heads will look like morons if this gets out.

16 posted on 04/20/2004 7:10:13 PM PDT by cookcounty (LBJ sent him. Nixon expressed him home. And Kerry's too dumb to tell them apart!)
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To: Anti-Bubba182
No disrespect, A-B, but I don't care how many people are talking about this story. Until there is some confirmation that this so-called "chemical bomb" contained a real WMD agent, such as sarin, tabun, soman, VX, etc., I must continue to remain skeptical. This story has been alive for more than long enough to confirm what the active agent was. Even Jordanian intelligence would have no trouble testing for such well known chemical agents as these.

I have no doubts that Saddam possessed WMD and I have no doubts that they were hidden in Iraq or some other country. But the absence of competent confirmation of the active chemical agent in this Jordanian case, has my BS detector pinging overtime.

You want this story (finding WMD's in Jordon) to be true, I want this story to be true, and everyone except a few whacked-out nutcases want it to be true. But I would suggest we wait till we have some actual confirmation that this is the case, before we start congratulating ourselves.

--Boot Hill

17 posted on 04/20/2004 7:10:39 PM PDT by Boot Hill (Candy-gram for Osama bin Mongo, candy-gram for Osama bin Mongo!!!)
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To: Boot Hill
I agree about the confirmation, but I don't know that it would be that easy. Remember during the War how we would hear reports of positives on the Troops chemical weapons detectors only to find out later that it was not actually chemical weapons.

It could be that the detectors were defective or set so sensitive for safety reasons that they would go off around a drum of pesticide. In any case, there are a variety of chemical agents possible. Some like VX are sophistcated and could not be easily improvised. Cyanide gas could be produced simply as in the old execution chambers where cyanide pellets were dropped into an acid bath that could be improvised.

I don't lend much credence to the Loftus report because I don't have much confidence in anything he says. That said, there have been numerous stories out there mentioning poison gas specifically. At this point we are waiting to find out exactly what was there and the more people aking questions, the more pressure to find out and disclose what, if anything, was there.

18 posted on 04/20/2004 7:27:55 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Anti-Bubba182
"Cyanide gas could be produced simply..."

You can write off cyanide as any kind of effective chemical agent of mass lethality ("could have killed 20,000") when dispersed in open areas, especially via a bomb (cyanide doesn't can't take the heat).

Even something as extra-lethal as VX nerve agent would require something on the order of 500 pounds of the stuff to do what has been suggested by the news reports (LD50 is about 10 grams/m^3).

"It could be that the detectors were defective or set so sensitive for safety reasons that they would go off around a drum of pesticide."

For better or worse, the field-grade chemical detectors used by the military are notorious for false positives, maybe on the theory that it is better to be safe than sorry. But the research-grade equipment available to a professional laboratory is a completely different story. I would be shocked if the Jordanian GID did not have such a lab, as it would be an essential component of their mission.

"I don't lend much credence to the Loftus report..."

That can't be repeated too often here on FR. Loftus makes Debka look credible.

--Boot Hill

19 posted on 04/20/2004 7:50:55 PM PDT by Boot Hill (Candy-gram for Osama bin Mongo, candy-gram for Osama bin Mongo!!!)
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To: Boot Hill; Dog
Loftus on a roll tonight:

- the mortar attack on the prison was an attempt to free some AQ people there, but they screwed up, and killed them. oh well.

- the fallujah ceasefire does not include protection for the foreign fighters. they will be "dealt with", perhaps even by some element of a re-organized iraqi police/military force.

- the 727 in africa, it had a unique configuration designed to carry diesel fuel (ten 500 gallon fuel tanks). that's why they are worried about it being used as a flying bomb. did they find this plane yet? there seems to be FR threads that indicate that it has been found, is that definitive?

- no further talk about the jordanian WMD. Hmm...

have at it fellows.
20 posted on 04/20/2004 7:58:41 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: All
Be on the lookout for these words in news reports: choline, phosphorous pentasulfide and diisopropylamine. They are precursors to VX.
21 posted on 04/20/2004 7:58:57 PM PDT by Nita Nupress
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To: Nita Nupress
Oh, and this makes for interesting reading: http://www.emedicine.com/emerg/topic900.htm
22 posted on 04/20/2004 8:11:33 PM PDT by Nita Nupress
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To: oceanview
Batchelor with a different guest (not Loftus, Malcolm Somebody) talking about the Jordanian WMD attack now. sticking with the same general story, saying the Jordanians are being very tight about releasing details.

talking about the planned stadium bombing in London - another story getting almost zero media attention, the media simply isn't interested in attacks that are thwarted.
23 posted on 04/20/2004 8:14:29 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: Anti-Bubba182
Joyful women on balconies of nearby buildings ululated and boys clapped and whistled as police took the three away.

This sounds as if these thugs have been terrorizeing the neighborhood. But we all know that islame is love and peace.

24 posted on 04/20/2004 8:14:52 PM PDT by fella
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To: Nita Nupress
good post describing the binary nature of how its assembled.
25 posted on 04/20/2004 8:17:15 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: oceanview
"no further talk about the jordanian WMD. Hmm..."

It will be interesting to see if this story has legs. I would love it to be true, but...

"the 727 in africa..."

Variations on the story about a missing 727 in Africa have been floating around the internet ever since 9-11. The original versions were effectively debunked, but are still being promoted by the conspiracy whacko's to the gullible. Be skeptical, know your sources, check the facts, don't get sucked in to that tar pit.

--Boot Hill

26 posted on 04/20/2004 8:36:45 PM PDT by Boot Hill (Candy-gram for Osama bin Mongo, candy-gram for Osama bin Mongo!!!)
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To: Boot Hill
Speaking of Debka:

Terrorists Lose Rantisi, But Learn to Beat Border (Debka Alert)

27 posted on 04/20/2004 8:57:35 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Boot Hill
Also, there was a thread earlier about a foiled attack on Great Britain planned by al Qaida. The attack involved the use of a compound suitable for small enclosed areas and mentioned that there are plans for chemical attacks in their training manuals. The significance is twofold, one al Qaida is upping the stakes with chemical attacks and that they are fielding operatives who can improvise chemical agents.

UK: Poison gas attack plot foiled

28 posted on 04/20/2004 9:17:07 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Anti-Bubba182
"Speaking of Debka"

Ah, an opportunity for dueling quotes!

DEBKA:   "...there can be no doubt that Syrian president Bashar Assad and the head of his security bodies knew what was going on and may even have abetted in the plot."

King Abdullah:   "I'm completely confident that Bashir did not know about it."

--Boot Hill

29 posted on 04/21/2004 12:10:06 AM PDT by Boot Hill (Candy-gram for Osama bin Mongo, candy-gram for Osama bin Mongo!!!)
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To: Anti-Bubba182
"Also, there was a thread earlier about a foiled [chemical] attack on Great Britain planned by al Qaida."

That was debunked here.

Just to show you that I'm not blind to the possibilities you suggest, you may find it interesting to review this thread from nearly a month ago: "Ashdod Strike May Have Been Attempted Chemical Attack". This attack was also a suspected al-Qa'ida operation that may have been orchestrated out of Syria.

--Boot Hill

30 posted on 04/21/2004 12:22:12 AM PDT by Boot Hill (Candy-gram for Osama bin Mongo, candy-gram for Osama bin Mongo!!!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Another WMD and Iraq-AQ linking story the lamestream media will shred and drop into the memory hole.
31 posted on 04/21/2004 8:21:36 AM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Boot Hill
".. That was debunked here."

That really doesn't debunk the GB attack. A few casualties from any kind of chemical attack could cause panic. Everything does not have to be on a 911 scale.

32 posted on 04/21/2004 12:09:20 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Travis McGee
update:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3672891.stm

Friday, 30 April, 2004

'Al-Qaeda' denies Jordan WMD plot

Allegations that al-Qaeda was planning a chemical attack against Jordan have been denied in a new audio message.
But a voice said to be Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, a senior member of the group, does say an assault was considered on Jordan's intelligence headquarters.

The tape was broadcast on the internet and Arabic television four days after Jordan said it had uncovered a chemical terror plot against targets in Amman.

Washington accuses Mr Zarqawi of being behind terrorist bombings in Iraq.

"[Reports] that there was a chemical bomb to kill thousands of people is a mere lie," the taped voice says.

"If we had such a bomb - and we ask God that we have such a bomb soon - we would not hesitate for a moment to strike Israeli towns, such as Eilat, Tel Aviv and others."

The voice says the Jordanian authorities fabricated the story in order to create a smokescreen to hide "the sordid face of the Jordanian intelligence services".

He said the bomb was intended was made of primary substances available on the market - but it was intended not to harm ordinary people but to destroy the "Jordanian Mossad", referring to Israel's spy service.

"The Jordanian intelligence lied twice... to protect their masters and sponsors from the Jews and Christians," the voice says.

Correspondents say there is no way to verify the authenticity of the tape, which was made available on al-Minbar website.

Mass rally

On Thursday, Queen Rania joined thousands of Jordanians in a mass street protest against the alleged plot.

The protest was said to be the largest in recent history, attracting tribal, religious and business leaders and political activists.

Reports of the size of the match varied markedly, from conservative estimates of 20,000 to 80,000 according to Queen Rania's office, to 250,000 according to the Jordanian news agency, Petra.

Jordanian TV reported on Monday that the authorities had uncovered the chemical plot and raided the house from which the alleged al-Qaeda cell was operating on 20 April.

During the raid, four people were killed and six others were arrested. They included Azmi al-Jayusi, who was shown on TV confessing to the plot.

Officials said the plot involved attacking the intelligence department in Amman, using trucks loaded with 20 metric tons of chemicals.

The attack could have killed 80,000 people and injured twice that amount in an area of two square kilometres (a square mile), officials said.

Other possible targets included the US embassy and the prime minister's office, although officials did not provide details on these alleged plots.

33 posted on 05/07/2004 11:05:26 PM PDT by ValerieUSA
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; Anti-Bubba182
ping
34 posted on 05/07/2004 11:12:03 PM PDT by ValerieUSA
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To: Nita Nupress; Grampa Dave
ping
35 posted on 05/07/2004 11:18:34 PM PDT by ValerieUSA
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To: ValerieUSA
Our mediots and in particuliar C BS continue to ignore this story while going ballistic on the treatment of the Iraqi prisoners.

Sounds like we should allow Jordan to handle future and present prisoners.
36 posted on 05/07/2004 11:34:54 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (FReep eye for the liberal lie or what left wing lies of the media will we expose today?)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Thanks for the ping.
37 posted on 05/07/2004 11:39:33 PM PDT by Cap Huff
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To: Nita Nupress
Ricin is always interesting, too

An Al Qaeda 'Chemist' and the Quest for Ricin

38 posted on 05/07/2004 11:43:42 PM PDT by ValerieUSA
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Oh. Original story from weeks ago. It came to the surface with an update.
39 posted on 05/07/2004 11:44:38 PM PDT by Cap Huff
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To: Cap Huff
I thought it is a good idea to focus on the terrorists in the war against terror every once in awhile.
40 posted on 05/07/2004 11:47:17 PM PDT by ValerieUSA
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To: ValerieUSA
Yes. I agree. I just need to have a second cup of coffee before I start to read posts.
41 posted on 05/07/2004 11:49:32 PM PDT by Cap Huff
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To: The Sons of Liberty
Don't worry we will soon hear all about how these poor terrorists were mistreated by the police. MY GOD THEY WERE SLAPPED. Where is the UN? Hillary come quick? Nancy gin up a resolution for the House.

RATmedia is lower than dog sh.t.
42 posted on 05/07/2004 11:53:20 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (America's Enemies: foreign and domestic RATmedia agree Bush must be destroyed.)
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To: justshutupandtakeit

BTTT


43 posted on 07/11/2004 9:37:50 AM PDT by Coop (In memory of a true hero- Pat Tillman)
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To: Coop

This story is still floating around unattached to anything apparently.


44 posted on 07/12/2004 8:18:20 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (America's Enemies: foreign and domestic RATmedia agree Bush must be destroyed.)
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