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US Navy to order unique aircraft in Saratov, Russia (UFO-shaped)
Russia Journal Daily ^ | April 23, 2004

Posted on 04/23/2004 5:39:17 PM PDT by Shermy

SARATOV - The US Navy Department intends to subsidize the development of an advanced Russian aircraft, which will eventually be extinguishing forest fires on US territory. This UFO-shaped flying machine is currently being designed by the Saratov aviation concern.

The Saratov aircraft enterprise, which is located in Russia's Volga region, started assembling UFO-shaped flying machines in the 1990s; however, this R&D project was then moth-balled because of financial snags.

Many aircraft companies all over the world did their best to design similar flying machines. However, Saratov's aircraft designers managed to come with some unusual engineering solutions, also building a flying-saucer mock-up.

Designers managed to overcome vibration being caused by turbulence flows, after opting for the flying-saucer concept; this problem was also solved with the help of some other know-how. This flying machine is called the EKIP (Russian acronym, Ecology and Progress).

Moreover, the hovercraft's special coating enhances lift by 40 percent (with the help of turbulence flows). Consequently, the EKIP's payload accounts for only 40-45 percent of its mass; meanwhile the relevant aircraft ratio is 20-25 percent.

The EKIP boasts some other unique specifications; for example, it can transport 100-ton loads over several thousand km at 500-700 kph and at 8-13-km altitudes. This unique hovercraft can skim along at 160 kph just above the surface.

Many foreign companies had repeatedly suggested establishing a joint venture together with the Saratov factory in the late 1990s; however, the US naval-aviation research center alone offered acceptable terms, the Saratovskiye Vesti newspaper writes.

Specific contract terms were not disclosed. According to the aircraft factory's general director Alexander Yermishin, Russia will retain EKIP copyright. The market will be divided, after batch production gets underway, with the United States paying dividends to Russia for every EKIP aircraft, Yermishin added.

First of all, the US side needs the EKIP remotely piloted aircraft for fighting fires and coping with natural calamities, Yermishin said in conclusion.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Russia
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To: Cvengr

IT'S A COOKBOOK!

51 posted on 04/24/2004 7:28:28 AM PDT by Rebelbase ("Kerry is the female version of Hillary"............FReeper Paul Atreides)
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To: Aeronaut
On a private tour through the warehouses of the Smithsonian in Silver Springs years ago there was a navy experimental, among the hundreds of aircraft never known by the public to exist, that was about 8-10' in diamater made of tiny stick trusses covered with fabric and looked just like a flying saucer that was made in the late 40s or early 50s.

On another note, when I was in high school in Los Angeles in 54 or 55 durring lunch period at what I would estimate to be at about 15FL I watched what I would call a flying saucer being chased by 2 F-104s? for about 20 minutes until I had to go back to class.

The saucer would remain stationary and the jetes would come at it from 2 sides and before they got there it would dart upward and off to the side at probably 5 times the speed of the approaching jets. This happened over and over for the whole time that I watched it.

I wasn't asn alarmist and just thought it interesting and assumed that since it was military jets involved thqt saying anything to anyone wouldn't serve any purpose.
52 posted on 04/24/2004 9:26:49 AM PDT by dalereed (,)
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To: dalereed

Did it look like this? (the one at the museum, that is)

53 posted on 04/24/2004 10:17:09 AM PDT by Tennessee_Bob (http://www.code16.com/cat/)
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To: Tennessee_Bob
No but that one was there also.

The one that I was describing was for one pilot and had a fan in the center for propultion and lift and was only about 8 feet in diameter and about 2 feet thick in the center with a bubble canopy for the pilot. I didn't try to lift it but the way it ws built it probably didn't weigh more than 400 pounds.
54 posted on 04/24/2004 10:27:57 AM PDT by dalereed (,)
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To: Shermy
Here's the company's website:

http://www.ekip-aviation-concern.com/
55 posted on 04/24/2004 10:33:41 AM PDT by Tennessee_Bob (http://www.code16.com/cat/)
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To: Wilhelm Tell
There have been over the years various attempts to make a "flying wing" type of aircraft (where the fuselage is basically a wing), and some of them even flew. This is sure the most flying saucerish flying wing I have ever seen. It would be incredible to see it fly. I wonder how powerful the engines will have to be?
Moreover, the hovercraft's special coating enhances lift by 40 percent (with the help of turbulence flows). Consequently, the EKIP's payload accounts for only 40-45 percent of its mass; meanwhile the relevant aircraft ratio is 20-25 percent.

The EKIP boasts some other unique specifications; for example, it can transport 100-ton loads over several thousand km at 500-700 kph and at 8-13-km altitudes. This unique hovercraft can skim along at 160 kph just above the surface.

The structural/engine weight and the fuel weight of the craft are overhead, and this basically claims that that weight is very low for the cargo capacity. Looks to me like a claim of a very high lift-to-drag ratio, combined with a high structural efficiency.

And as such, an enormously valuable characteristic. Unless of course it can only be made out of mockingbird tongues . . .

56 posted on 04/24/2004 10:38:58 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (To believe in your own objectivity is to be wise in your own conceit.)
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To: Quix
Eh. I've seen some mighty weird things in my time, but until I actually meet some (outer space) aliens and drink some beer with them I will remain skeptical.
57 posted on 04/24/2004 8:41:54 PM PDT by LibKill (Yep, we are cowboys. WYATT EARP cowboys.)
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To: LibKill
SKEPTICISM can be a VERY healthy thing.

Especially regarding anything

--the government is connected with
--satan is connected with
--that has a significant potential to manipulate vast masses of people.

But a TYPE II error is no safer or more righteous than a TYPE I error.

Both can be plenty troublesome.
58 posted on 04/24/2004 8:48:25 PM PDT by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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To: Quix
You bring the space aliens, I'll bring the beer. :)

But none of those chest-bursting aliens from the ALIEN movie, please.

59 posted on 04/24/2004 8:55:20 PM PDT by LibKill (Yep, we are cowboys. WYATT EARP cowboys.)
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To: LibKill
Thanks.

Not interested in getting very close to the aliens, myself.

Prefer a low alcohol fruit flavored wine with low tanin content.

Beer tastes like medicine to me.

Anyway--If my study of the subject has any validity at all, they are really rachetting up the graduated, incremental disclosures more and more rapidly now. New details are coming out all the time.

Still very hard for me to guess what is disinformation and what isn't.
60 posted on 04/24/2004 9:10:28 PM PDT by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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To: Flightdeck; ItisaReligionofPeace; cmsgop; Drammach; spetznaz; norton; MHGinTN; DefCon; ...
Every now and then, my mother and I would take our dog on his night walk
to the Parade Ground, a flat park of baseball and football fields.
We went there because at the time it was being renovated, and the
fields were being partitioned and fenced. This gave us some
confidence to allow the dog off the leash to run free for a change.

The Parade Ground is just across Parkside Avenue from Prospect Park.
It is August, 1965. I am ten years old.

The dog was having a good run, and once we saw that he wasn't
about to run off completely, we relaxed and gazed upwards to
view the night sky, trying to find various constellations.

In those days, the street lights in Brooklyn emitted a white light,
and not the beige-looking type now in use. If you went to a park,
you could get a decent view of the stars, but of course not
anywhere near the view if you were upstate in deep woods.

Suddenly, as I looked to the left of me, I saw what I first
mentally equated as a submarine perhaps two storeys
off the ground higher than the six storey buildings beneath it.

"Hey Mom, do you see what I see?" She did.

Here comes this thing, slow and steady and silent. It is huge.
It is dark grey - not "battleship grey," but as grey as can
be before you rule it black. There is no shine to it.


The front of it was round; I'd seen pictures of submarines,
and that is what came to mind. It is actually shaped more
like a very long medicine capsule.

As it proceeded to float past us, we observed its right side.
It is solid. It is a perfect and very long dark grey cylinder,
and it just keeps coming very slowly and steadily.

Obviously, we can't see the top of it, but so far, we see that
even though it is almost black, we sense a light behind the
darkness. This does not make sense, as my mother and I later
reckoned. The best I can come up with is that my eyes saw
dark grey, but my mind knew the cylinder was emitting light.
Dark light!

This was no blimp. No lights. No sound. No windows.
No gondola beneath. No visible markings. No nothing!
It is just a cylinder 300 feet longer than the Intrepid
aircraft carrier now docked in the Hudson River going by!

This thing was so huge, that even from the height above me,
(200 Feet?) it was clearly visible; visible enough to see
even the slightest imperfection clearly, if it had any.

At the same time, we are not in any panic. We are unusually
serene. As if it's no big deal somehow. Maybe we were in
a stupor beyond awe.

Finally, the end of the ship passes. I ran to see the back of
it. I see it is as round as the front with an opening in the
center. To this day, I'm not sure if it was square or arch-like.
I am convinced that at least the bottom of the opening in the
back of it was flat, so it was square or arched. I remember
thinking that 3 buses could easily drive inside at the same time.
On the other hand, I've seen jets low to the ground on approach
to JFK Airport, and thought that "my" cylinder was at least 3
times wider at the same height.

This is the only time I experience apprehension. I worry for a
moment that whoever is flying this cylinder might see me.

I ran to a to where I could see the other side of the cylinder.
It is exactly as perfect and unremarkable as the other side
and the bottom.

I have been struggling with my memories for years as to whether
there was a single tiny light, blue or red atop the opening
in the back. I add this item, but I am not sure. Inside the
opening it is absolutely pitch black.

The cylinder was in the order of 1200 feet long. I did not know
this at the time. When I saw the cylinder completely, it
was "crossing" Stratford Road, and the back of it was at Buckinham
Road. The distance between these streets on Caton Avenue
according to street maps is about 1200 feet.

I rejoined my mother in the original field, and we watched this
thing float over the Prospect Park POLICE STATION, heading west
until it faded from sight about half a mile west of the Parade
Ground. No newspaper, radio, or TV station mentioned it. For
that matter, we didn't even tell my father!

As I first accessed the Internet, I ran a search for
"cylinder ufo," and plenty of links came up. Even pictures!
I wasn't too surprised, because I know damn well what I saw
was real, and other people MUST have seen something as well.

I told some close friends. They gave me the jaundiced eye.
I could hardly blame them. I guess its just one of those things
one must see to believe.
61 posted on 04/24/2004 9:15:30 PM PDT by Solamente
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To: Solamente
My dad was a big science-fiction/fantasy fan, so I grew up on a steady diet of "Astounding Science Fiction" (now Analog) and other sci-fi related reading material..
I have read ALL the arguments, and maybe 99% of the fiction relating to the subject of life on other planets..

That has probably (ya think, maybe?) had some influence on my outlook..
Be that as it may, I am a "believer", confident that there is life on other planets.. ( but, not as we know it, Jim..)

While I have seen some "UFO's" in my lifetime, I am still unsure whether I could confidently class any as an alien craft..
I have seen meteors, (and a "bolide", which exploded, seperating into several pieces) and "lights" at night, both near earth and apparently in orbit.. some I was able to identify, some not..
I have also seen some very interesting optical effects, including mirages, and double suns.(actually could see a double shadow on the ground.)

It is my considered opinion that some people can see what others cannot..
I have spoken to people in two instances, that related UFO sightings, and said that while some in the group were able to see the object, others saw, heard, felt nothing, try as they might..
Are such objects a matter of perception? Are some genetically inclined to see them and others not? Or are they among those that are "allowed" to see? Even stranger, is there something in some people's makeup that "protects" them, refusing to allow them to acknowledge the existance of something that they simply are not prepared to comprehend or accept as a reality?

If we are in fact recieving visitors from another world, I would love to see it, and meet them in my lifetime..
I remain open to the idea, although I have never personally seen anything that I would consider proof..
Maybe I couldn't see it even if it were right in front of me.. don't know..
I hope that will change someday. (without all those nasty kidnappings, medical exams, metal probes in various orifices, etc.. )

Thanks for relating your story.

62 posted on 04/24/2004 10:19:31 PM PDT by Drammach (The Wolves are at the Door... Hey, Kids! Your lunch is here!)
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To: Solamente
remarkable
63 posted on 04/24/2004 10:59:12 PM PDT by Flightdeck (Procrastinate later)
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To: Solamente
Other than what I saw was silver/light grey,
your description matches exactly with what I saw
in the South East U.S.in 1974.
64 posted on 04/25/2004 4:33:02 AM PDT by DefCon
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To: Solamente
Thanks for posting that.
65 posted on 04/25/2004 4:39:04 AM PDT by Rebelbase ("Kerry is the female version of Hillary"............FReeper Paul Atreides)
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To: Shermy
The various outbreaks of UFO brain-fever in this thread notwithstanding, this is very much like you might achieve by trying to get minimum Cd out of a Burnelli lifting body.

Some info on Burnelli here, in a site sponsored (if he lives) by legendary pilot Chalmers 'Slick' Goodlin of test piloting and Israeli AF fame:

http://www.aircrash.org/burnelli/

One of Burnelli's aircraft survives, in damaged condition, in the New England Air Museum at Bradley Field north of Hartford, CT.

On the other hand, 45% payload by weight is not that impressive, IMHO. That number can be beaten by everything from ultralights to gyrocopters to the massive C-130 Hercules. The 25% is a valid figure for very conservative designs. One more example where a mainstream press reporter is used to flog someone's agenda because he doesn't understand that there are bounds to his knowledge.

The EKIP websire has been present for years -- my bookmark is dated 2000. My best guess is that Naval interest is in an autonomous version. (A "pilotless drone" to the drones of the press, and the Department of Redundancy Department).

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F
66 posted on 04/25/2004 6:35:44 AM PDT by Criminal Number 18F
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To: Rebelbase
HA!HA!...I've got one...GEORGE FOREMAN IN SPACE. :)
67 posted on 04/25/2004 7:22:39 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get you :)
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To: Cvengr
But they came 'to serve man'....

HA!HA!...I'll have fries w/ mine, Please......

68 posted on 04/25/2004 7:25:23 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get you :)
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To: Solamente
THANK YOU!...I saw "Ball Lighting" during a severe thunderstorm in KY '73...small ball, blue chrome in color, floating slowly over trees...too much thunder.
69 posted on 04/25/2004 7:33:16 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get you :)
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To: Solamente
Fascinating Story, Thank You.
70 posted on 04/25/2004 10:51:31 AM PDT by cmsgop ( It Puts The Lotion in the Basket or it gets the Hose Again........)
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To: Solamente
FYI: History Channel running (past shows?) of ufo's all day Sunday until 9PM E.S.T.
71 posted on 04/25/2004 11:39:31 AM PDT by Las Vegas Dave ("Let's roll" in 2004 ----- Vote GOP!)
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To: Solamente
Thanks for sharing your story.
72 posted on 04/25/2004 11:54:36 AM PDT by Flyer (CAUTION! People May Be Dumber Than They Appear In The Forum)
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To: cmsgop
With an air compressor.
73 posted on 04/25/2004 1:25:11 PM PDT by Axenolith (We now return you to your regularly scheduled tagline...)
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To: Shermy; All; andysandmikesmom; areafiftyone; bigfootbob; Ecliptic; El Sordo; Ghengis; ...
HOW ABOUT COMMENTS HERE REGARDING THE HISTORY CHANNEL'S SERIES OF UFO PROGRAMS TONIGHT?

I'm assuming the last one will be the one with potentially new stuff.

I'M READING TOMOTHY GOOD'S UNEARTHLY DISCLOSURE.

It has some very startling Poloroid color photos of a fairly ugly ET. NOT the usual grey. If someone has a way for me to scan them in and email you, then post a link for this thread, I'm willing to scan one of them in.

I think it is a worthy book for anyone interested. More on a par with his first one in qualty.



Blessings,

74 posted on 04/25/2004 4:04:45 PM PDT by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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To: Solamente

Best post I've read on a cylinder. Thanks.


75 posted on 05/12/2005 8:55:15 PM PDT by Quix (LOVE NEVER FAILS.)
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To: Solamente
Happened to me one June night/morning around three AM driving South on I-59 just North of B'ham, AL (right where the interstate ended, prior to that section being finished/opened into B'ham). Flew right over my VW. I watched it through the windshield then the open sunroof. Not a light, wing, nor sound. And it was huge. Scared my wife nearly out of her shoes. I wanted to turn around and chase after it, but she was screaming so badly, I just parked and got out to look around in the moonless sky.
76 posted on 05/12/2005 9:06:22 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: Solamente

77 posted on 05/12/2005 9:12:04 PM PDT by patton ("Fool," said my Muse to me, "look in thy heart, and write.")
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To: jb6

ping


78 posted on 05/12/2005 9:13:13 PM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: Rebelbase
"IT'S A COOKBOOK!"

====

One of my favorite Twilight Zone episodes. :)

"To Serve Man"

79 posted on 05/12/2005 9:14:59 PM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: Quix

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/


80 posted on 05/12/2005 9:26:59 PM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: FreedomCalls

THANKS MUCH.

I think it's a good site, too.


81 posted on 05/12/2005 9:53:29 PM PDT by Quix (LOVE NEVER FAILS.)
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To: MHGinTN

How high off the ground was yours? Mine was about 8 or 10 stories up, and because it was so huge, I saw it quite clearly.


82 posted on 05/13/2005 2:54:30 AM PDT by Solamente
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To: Brett66

An IMAX theater with wings!!!


83 posted on 05/13/2005 3:00:09 AM PDT by beaver fever
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To: Quix

I'm glad I was lucky enough to see it, and even happier that it didn't make me into a UFO nut!


84 posted on 05/13/2005 3:02:58 AM PDT by Solamente
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To: Solamente

Agreed.

Are you on our ping list? Do you want to be?

Please let Las Vegas Dave and I know if you want on.


85 posted on 05/13/2005 4:28:53 AM PDT by Quix (LOVE NEVER FAILS.)
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To: Solamente

Excellent sighting report.


86 posted on 05/13/2005 6:04:36 AM PDT by Brett66 (W1 W1 W1 W1 W1 W1 W1 W1)
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To: Solamente

I was trying to execute the 'end of the open interstate detour, but it was my impression that it arose from approximately 1000 yards away and ascended as it went over my choking-engine car. It seemed approximately two or three football fields in length and one in width; it filled my sunroof opening but not my windshield.


87 posted on 05/13/2005 8:49:01 AM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: Brett66

It kinda looks like my waffle machine.


88 posted on 05/13/2005 8:51:46 AM PDT by LIConFem (Mein Luftkissenboot ist mit Aalen voll.)
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To: Shermy

kewl


89 posted on 05/13/2005 8:57:26 AM PDT by Centurion2000
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To: Quix

Sure. I'm surprised this thread is still active.


90 posted on 05/14/2005 5:15:03 AM PDT by Solamente
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To: MHGinTN

I've seen some cylinder photos on the net, but they are always way short, basically the minimum definition of a cylindrical object.

Were you freaked out, or unusually serene about the encounter?


91 posted on 05/14/2005 5:24:16 AM PDT by Solamente
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To: Fedora

Thanks. Interesting craft.

Interesting collaboration.

Reminds me of the contention that WWII, the cold war . . . etc. etc. etc. were all distractions from the globalists hiding UFO technologies AND hiding their manipulations toward a tyrannical globalist government.

Still, I hate seeing my beloved US NAVY being in cahoots with the Ruskies.

But, it's an interesting craft. I hope we get some good out of it.


92 posted on 06/27/2006 4:56:27 AM PDT by Quix (PRAY AND WORK WHILE THERE'S DAY! Many very dark nights are looming. Thankfully, God is still God!)
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