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Could a Little Boy Be Proof of Reincarnation?
ABC News ^ | April 20, 04 | ABC News

Posted on 04/24/2004 11:35:11 AM PDT by churchillbuff

Nearly six decades ago, a 21-year-old Navy fighter pilot on a mission over the Pacific was shot down by Japanese artillery. His name might have been forgotten, were it not for 6-year-old James Leininger.

Quite a few people — including those who knew the fighter pilot — think James is the pilot, reincarnated.

James' parents, Andrea and Bruce, a highly educated, modern couple, say they are "probably the people least likely to have a scenario like this pop up in their lives."

But over time, they have become convinced their little son has had a former life.

From an early age, James would play with nothing else but planes, his parents say. But when he was 2, they said the planes their son loved began to give him regular nightmares.

"I'd wake him up and he'd be screaming," Andrea told ABCNEWS' Chris Cuomo. She said when she asked her son what he was dreaming about, he would say, "Airplane crash on fire, little man can't get out."

Reality Check

Andrea says her mom was the first to suggest James was remembering a past life.

At first, Andrea says she was doubtful. James was only watching kids' shows, his parents say, and they weren't watching World War II documentaries or conversing about military history.

But as time went by, Andrea began to wonder what to believe. In one video of James at age 3, he goes over a plane as if he's doing a preflight check.

Another time, Andrea said, she bought him a toy plane, and pointed out what appeared to be a bomb on its underside. She says James corrected her, and told her it was a drop tank. "I'd never heard of a drop tank," she said. "I didn't know what a drop tank was."

Then James' violent nightmares got worse, occurring three and four times a week. Andrea's mother suggested she look into the work of counselor and therapist Carol Bowman, who believes that the dead sometimes can be reborn.

With guidance from Bowman, they began to encourage James to share his memories — and immediately, Andrea says, the nightmares started become less frequent. James was also becoming more articulate about his apparent past, she said.

Bowman said James was at the age when former lives are most easily recalled. "They haven't had the cultural conditioning, the layering over the experience in this life so the memories can percolate up more easily," she said.

Trail of Mysteries

Over time, James' parents say he revealed extraordinary details about the life of a former fighter pilot — mostly at bedtime, when he was drowsy.

They say James told them his plane had been hit by the Japanese and crashed. Andrea says James told his father he flew a Corsair, and then told her, "They used to get flat tires all the time."

In fact, historians and pilots agree that the plane's tires took a lot of punishment on landing. But that's a fact that could easily be found in books or on television.

Andrea says James also told his father the name of the boat he took off from — Natoma — and the name of someone he flew with — "Jack Larson."

After some research, Bruce discovered both the Natoma and Jack Larson were real. The Natoma Bay was a small aircraft carrier in the Pacific. And Larson is living in Arkansas.

"It was like, holy mackerel," Bruce said. "You could have poured my brains out of my ears. I just couldn't believe it.

James 2 = James M. Huston Jr.?

Bruce became obsessed, searching the Internet, combing through military records and interviewing men who served aboard the Natoma Bay.

He said James told him he had been shot down at Iwo Jima. James had also begun signing his crayon drawings "James 3." Bruce soon learned that the only pilot from the squadron killed at Iwo Jima was James M. Huston Jr.

Bruce says James also told him his plane had sustained a direct hit on the engine.

Ralph Clarbour, a rear gunner on a U.S. airplane that flew off the Natoma Bay, says his plane was right next to one flown by James M. Huston Jr. during a raid near Iwo Jima on March 3, 1945.

Clarbour said he saw Huston's plane struck by anti-aircraft fire. "I would say he was hit head on, right in the middle of the engine," he said.

Treasured Mementos

Bruce says he now believes his son had a past life in which he was James M. Huston Jr. "He came back because he wasn't finished with something."

The Leiningers wrote a letter to Huston's sister, Anne Barron, about their little boy. And now she believes it as well.

"The child was so convincing in coming up with all the things that there is no way on the world he could know," she said.

But Professor Paul Kurtz of the State University of New York at Buffalo, who heads an organization that investigates claims of the paranormal, says he thinks the parents are "self-deceived."

"They're fascinated by the mysterious and they built up a fairy tale," he said.

James' vivid, alleged recollections are starting to fade as he gets older — but among his prized possessions remain two haunting presents sent to him by Barron: a bust of George Washington and a model of a Corsair aircraft.

They were among the personal effects of James Huston sent home after the war.

"He appears to have experienced something that I don't think is unique, but the way it's been revealed is quite astounding," Bruce said.

Asked if the idea that James may have been someone else changes his or his wife's feeling about their son, Bruce said: "It doesn't change how we think. I don't look at him and say, 'That's not my boy.' That's my boy."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Louisiana; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: faithandphilosophy; iwo; jamesleininger; louisiana; ltjameshustonjr; reincarnation; soulsurvivor
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1 posted on 04/24/2004 11:35:11 AM PDT by churchillbuff
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To: churchillbuff
ABC News: Your source for paranormal fringe science and the latest Kerry propaganda material.
2 posted on 04/24/2004 11:39:16 AM PDT by explodingspleen (When life gets complex, multiply by the complex conjugate.)
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To: churchillbuff
Fascinating!
3 posted on 04/24/2004 11:40:03 AM PDT by treeclimber
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To: churchillbuff
slow news day....
4 posted on 04/24/2004 11:40:17 AM PDT by Drango (...if the world didn't suck, we'd all fall off.)
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To: Drango
It sure is.
5 posted on 04/24/2004 11:41:16 AM PDT by cyborg
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To: churchillbuff
Paging Rod Serling. Clean-up on aisle 1123782, please...
6 posted on 04/24/2004 11:42:37 AM PDT by Prime Choice (Leftists claim Bush is a terrorist. So why aren't they trying to appease him?)
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To: churchillbuff
There are AT LEAST

TWO OTHER

possible explanations . . . for such claims . . .

Person B alive now, would have easily been followed in terms of ancestory of any sort by demonic forces alive since creation. Such demonic forces would have plenty of information and power capacity to simulate anything desired for seducing a currently living person into a philosophical/religious orientation feeding satan's agenda.

Person B alive now could also have easily been followed by any number of ET type races in terms of person B's ancestory of any sort in a way similar to demonic tracking and manipulating.

I know of NO means, short of Holy Spirit discernment, to detect such goings on.

I know of NO means to prove reincarnation vs the above.
7 posted on 04/24/2004 11:45:48 AM PDT by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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To: churchillbuff
Does the phrase "desperate for attention" jump out at anyone else?
8 posted on 04/24/2004 11:46:16 AM PDT by Sofa King (MY rights are not subject to YOUR approval http://www.angelfire.com/art2/sofaking/index.html)
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To: churchillbuff
What utter nonsense!

There is no such thing as reincarnation. The parents were feeding this little one. His young behavior is VERY typical. They're just trying to make money off of him.
9 posted on 04/24/2004 11:46:56 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: churchillbuff
Put him behind he controls of an F4U and let's see what happens...
10 posted on 04/24/2004 11:48:47 AM PDT by TADSLOS (Right Wing Infidel since 1954)
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To: Quix
I know of NO means to prove reincarnation vs the above.

I guess one would just have to take it as a matter of faith, just like immaculate conception, and rising from the dead after being crucified.

11 posted on 04/24/2004 11:49:24 AM PDT by Young Rhino (http://www.artofdivorce.com)
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To: churchillbuff
I knew a therapist in Santa Fe who was at a party ....a strange woman came up to him and said "You strangled me in a previous lifetime" ...He was lucky she didnt sue.
12 posted on 04/24/2004 11:49:55 AM PDT by woofie ( 99% of lawyers give the rest a bad name.)
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To: TADSLOS
Put him behind he controls of an F4U and let's see what happens...

BUMP

13 posted on 04/24/2004 11:50:21 AM PDT by churchillbuff
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To: nmh
Has John Edward been lurking about?
14 posted on 04/24/2004 11:50:44 AM PDT by CaptainK
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To: churchillbuff
"James' vivid, alleged recollections are starting to fade as he gets older — but among his prized possessions remain two haunting presents sent to him by Barron: a bust of George Washington and a model of a Corsair aircraft."


Are they so stupid as to not realize this is a little boys vivid imagination fueled with presents? The parents are in heavy duty self deception. If anything as the kid gets older his recollections should be MORE VIVID!
15 posted on 04/24/2004 11:51:37 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: churchillbuff
***But Professor Paul Kurtz of the State University of New York at Buffalo, who heads an organization that investigates claims of the paranormal, says he thinks the parents are "self-deceived." ***

For what it's worth:

***Professor Paul Kurtz of the State University of New York at Buffalo is also a full-time leftist.

Prof. Paul Kurtz, Professor Emeritus of Philosophy at the State University of New York at Buffalo, is a renowned academic philosopher of high rank. He has moreover the merit of having carried the ideals of secular humanism rationalism to the broad general public.
SNIP
. His dedicated work of several decades in service of the liberation of human mind from the bondages of religion, superstition and all kinds of dogmatism, has made a lasting impact on the intellectual climate of our times and stands as a guidepost into a better future.***

http://www.rationalistinternational.net/associates/p_kurtz.htm
16 posted on 04/24/2004 11:52:51 AM PDT by kitkat
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To: Young Rhino
"I guess one would just have to take it as a matter of faith, just like immaculate conception, and rising from the dead after being crucified."

Actually that is well documented in history. Whether you care to believe it or not is your choice but the two issues are not comaparable.
17 posted on 04/24/2004 11:53:10 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: kitkat
CORRECTION:

The *** before the sentence saying Kurtz is a full-time leftist should be at the beginning of the next sentence.
18 posted on 04/24/2004 11:54:33 AM PDT by kitkat
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To: explodingspleen
ABC News: Your source for paranormal fringe science and the latest Kerry propaganda material.

There's a difference?
19 posted on 04/24/2004 11:55:15 AM PDT by Valin (Hating people is like burning down your house to kill a rat)
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To: Young Rhino
I guess one would just have to take it as a matter of faith, just like immaculate conception, and rising from the dead after being crucified.

You need either to be a bit more intellectually honest or well-informed than that.
20 posted on 04/24/2004 11:56:19 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: nmh
There is no such thing as reincarnation.

One could say there is little, or contradictory evidence, for reincarnation, but even the skeptics never come out and say "there is no such thing." To borrow a leaf from our creationist brethren on these threads, "lack of evidence is not evidence of lack."

21 posted on 04/24/2004 11:56:35 AM PDT by Junior (Remember, you are unique, just like everyone else.)
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To: Young Rhino
To a degree.

Certainly assuming reincarnation to be THE explanation would take a LOT of faith.

But more than 500 eyewitnesses seeing Christ in the flesh AFTER the Resurrection is rather unique. There's a LOT more logically valid support for His Resurrection than for anything related to reincarnation. imho.

Then there have been the recent resurrections from the dead in Mexico and China from Christian prayer and intervention.

No, no links. I suspect a web search might work.
22 posted on 04/24/2004 11:58:02 AM PDT by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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To: churchillbuff
It's not necessarily reincarnation.

It is a curiosity that these cases usually have someone with a common language or culture from the past.

It's also odd that the father had to find the identity of the dead airman. It isn't real clear, but one would expect the boy to known what his name had been in the alleged past life.

It could be a case of possession. I wondered if the boy was baptized because I thought perhaps it would protect against things such as this, but then I remembered my catholic girlfriend who had left the church but presumably having had her son baptized telling me a similar story about her son about this age talking about having been a fighter pilot.

I've studied hundreds of accounts such as this and never heard of one where a devout Christian was troubled with such a thing which is not to say that it doesn't happen.

Believer? I concede that there very well are probably spirits who pass on information to the living which can be verified. Of that I have no doubt. Whether it is proof of reincarnation is another matter.

A couple of my kids came up with similar odd stuff like this and I didn't press the issue. Now, I chalk it off to the fact that I wasn't bringing them up in a normal Christian manner.

There was that case in Chicago years ago where the spirit of the murdered girl gave her friend information which helped to solve her murder. It, too, involved nightmares, but there was no chance that reincarnation was involved because the "medium" and the murdered person had lived as contemporaries.

23 posted on 04/24/2004 11:58:51 AM PDT by Aliska
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To: nmh
There is no such thing as reincarnation.

I'm Henry VIII, I am, I am.

24 posted on 04/24/2004 12:00:28 PM PDT by Drango (...if the world didn't suck, we'd all fall off.)
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To: churchillbuff
I find it hard to believe that the parents could be accused of promoting it, at least not at the start. Like many cases, the kid showed weird, unexplainable behaviors and memories, knowledge that would freak out the parents.

When I first met my wife, she had dreams often that we had lived together before, in a small town I never heard of. A few years later, we bought a house, which had an address in the same small town. In 1995, I had a dream we had been together, had 3 kids, and I was killed in a farming accident at 41 years old. In 2000, my wife died from a massive brain aneurysm... she was 41 years old.

The fact that we met and fell in love was not that unusual, we were in fact born about 175 miles apart.

On the east coast. We met after we had both moved to Washington state.

None of us knows all the ways things work. I think if we ever did, we'd be astounded, amazed, and horrified all at once.
25 posted on 04/24/2004 12:00:43 PM PDT by djf
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To: churchillbuff
Has ANY of this been confirmed?

26 posted on 04/24/2004 12:02:43 PM PDT by lawdude (Liberalism: A failure every time it is tried!)
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To: woofie
I knew a therapist in Santa Fe who was at a party ....a strange woman came up to him and said "You strangled me in a previous lifetime" ...He was lucky she didnt sue.

"And I'll strangle you in this one too, you freak, if you don't get the $%#@ away from me right NOW!"

27 posted on 04/24/2004 12:03:54 PM PDT by Hank Rearden (Is Fallujah gone yet?)
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To: churchillbuff
There was a story similar to this in Ireland or the UK not long ago. (Not Bridey Murphy, which has been debunked.)

A mother who died and left young kids behind, then came back as a man or something, but he also convinced her children it was her...
28 posted on 04/24/2004 12:05:56 PM PDT by Bon mots
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To: churchillbuff
He should sue for back pay and hope he gets Shirly McClain on the jury.
29 posted on 04/24/2004 12:06:07 PM PDT by Blue Screen of Death (,/i)
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To: churchillbuff
"I'd wake him up and he'd be screaming," Andrea told ABCNEWS' Chris Cuomo. She said when she asked her son what he was dreaming about, he would say, "Airplane crash on fire, little man can't get out."

Watched the World Trade Center loop a few too many times perhaps.
30 posted on 04/24/2004 12:11:48 PM PDT by CzarNicky (The problem with bad ideas is that they seemed like good ideas at the time.)
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To: Quix
I agree with your possible scenarios, but there's one more: The parents made it all up. The kid has a natural interest in planes. The parents, either consciously or subconsciously, fed the kid information.
31 posted on 04/24/2004 12:12:37 PM PDT by alnick (Mrs. Heinz-Kerry's husband wants teh-rayz-ah your taxes.)
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To: churchillbuff
The little boy could be being used by "familiar spirits", see Leviticus 20:6
I'm not saying the little boy is doing anything wrong himself, he's just a little boy..but he IS being USED.

Familiar spirits exist through the ages, gathering knowledge of people and places. But God has warned against consulting them. God would not warn us against something that doesn't exist.
32 posted on 04/24/2004 12:13:31 PM PDT by millefleur
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To: churchillbuff
Well .. the real "reality check" .. this is called "familar spirits". It's nothing new.
33 posted on 04/24/2004 12:17:40 PM PDT by CyberAnt (The 2004 Election is for the SOUL of AMERICA)
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To: churchillbuff
Watch the World War II training film used to familiarize new pilots with the Chance Vought F4U Corsair "live" over the Internet.-
"There's plenty of guts in her engine and plenty of sting in her guns!"
x
Click here to watch " How to Fly
the Corsair" (1943, B&W, 20:30)
 

34 posted on 04/24/2004 12:18:42 PM PDT by wolficatZ (___><))))*>____)
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To: TADSLOS
Put him behind he controls of an F4U and let's see what happens...

LOL
35 posted on 04/24/2004 12:25:13 PM PDT by Arkinsaw
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To: churchillbuff
ABC news. That is all I need to know.
36 posted on 04/24/2004 12:26:11 PM PDT by kissmyconservativebutt (That's right Kerry, kiss it!)
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To: TADSLOS
Put him behind he controls of an F4U and let's see what happens...

Thanks for the laugh.

37 posted on 04/24/2004 12:27:02 PM PDT by kissmyconservativebutt (That's right Kerry, kiss it!)
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To: Quix
???

Yes I would say there are at least two other possible explanations. In fact there are infinite possible explanations.

But I have to say the two possible explanations you mentioned are the least likely and most unfathomable, of any of the infinite possible explanations.
38 posted on 04/24/2004 12:35:20 PM PDT by Oblongata
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To: churchillbuff
A story like this would not even make the news in Nepal, India, or any other Asian country.

There, the Buddhists are just as convinced of their beliefs as the "Christians" here are of theirs.
39 posted on 04/24/2004 12:38:12 PM PDT by RonHolzwarth
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To: RealPiedPiper
I dare say the best possible explainations are those we won't find until after we shirk this mortal coil, and find out first hand.

Until then it's ALL just perceived interpretations and biases.

None of this, Religions included, can be proven conclusively.
40 posted on 04/24/2004 12:38:22 PM PDT by Lord_Baltar
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To: churchillbuff
Once you allow belief in anything paranormal, then you can come up with countless ways that this is happening. Perhaps the kid can channel back through time. Maybe its the spirit of the pilot speaking to the kid. Maybe the child can tap into a universal memory bank (Language of the Dead), maybe aliens are beaming this info into his head, maybe God is doing something here, Satan, Smurfs..... it can go anywhere.
41 posted on 04/24/2004 12:44:04 PM PDT by Paradox (Occam was probably right.)
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To: Quix
Alas! A person who understands why the belief in reincarnation is possible. I didn't say reincarnation I said the belief in it.

"It is appointed a man once to die...then the judgement."
42 posted on 04/24/2004 12:48:46 PM PDT by BriarBey
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To: nmh
If anything as the kid gets older his recollections should be MORE VIVID!

Why? If reincarnation is the transmigration of the soul or ego, a particle of individual consciousness, from one body to another, then the recollections would fade as the ego of the new body becomes more established.

43 posted on 04/24/2004 12:49:18 PM PDT by servantoftheservant
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To: Paradox
Paradox, the same could be said toward the belief in God, Satan, or yes, even the Smurfs...

Doesn't it all kind of fall under the category of "the paranormal"?
44 posted on 04/24/2004 12:49:28 PM PDT by Lord_Baltar
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To: churchillbuff
History of the NATOMA BAY can be found here:

http://www.hazegray.org/danfs/carriers/cve62.txt
45 posted on 04/24/2004 12:49:51 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: Paradox
Once you allow belief in anything paranormal, then you can come up with countless ways that this is happening.

One can also come up with a fair number of ways that this is happening without paranormal activity. The parents are lying. The press is lying. Coincidence. Subconscious knowledge (maybe seen on tv, in a book, ect). Something that triggers the subconscious to start to store information about a specific event, 'memories' accumilating slowly until the mental development of the child starts to shove those 'memories' into the back of his/her mind, fading them out. Believing in a lack of supernatural, btw, takes as much faith as the belief in such.

-The Hajman-
46 posted on 04/24/2004 12:50:42 PM PDT by Hajman
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To: TADSLOS
Put him behind he controls of an F4U and let's see what happens...

What'll happen is that the Jap that shot him down, will be reincarnated into a 4 year old Japanese kid who will shoot hm down again.

47 posted on 04/24/2004 12:51:59 PM PDT by lowbridge ("You are an American. You are my brother. I would die for you." -Kurdish Sergeant)
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To: Lord_Baltar
Doesn't it all kind of fall under the category of "the paranormal"?

Indeed, I agree. Thats why people who argue over such subjects are just p*ssing into the wind, as far as I am concerned.

48 posted on 04/24/2004 12:52:32 PM PDT by Paradox (Occam was probably right.)
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To: Hajman
One can also come up with a fair number of ways that this is happening without paranormal activity.

Good point. The guy mentioned in my tag line would agree for sure.

49 posted on 04/24/2004 12:54:07 PM PDT by Paradox (Occam was probably right.)
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To: TADSLOS
Put him behind he controls of an F4U and let's see what happens...

He'd get a chance to try that reincarnation thing again real quick, particularly if he forgets the rudder trim.

50 posted on 04/24/2004 12:54:30 PM PDT by tbpiper
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