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Could a Little Boy Be Proof of Reincarnation?
ABC News ^ | April 20, 04 | ABC News

Posted on 04/24/2004 11:35:11 AM PDT by churchillbuff

Nearly six decades ago, a 21-year-old Navy fighter pilot on a mission over the Pacific was shot down by Japanese artillery. His name might have been forgotten, were it not for 6-year-old James Leininger.

Quite a few people — including those who knew the fighter pilot — think James is the pilot, reincarnated.

James' parents, Andrea and Bruce, a highly educated, modern couple, say they are "probably the people least likely to have a scenario like this pop up in their lives."

But over time, they have become convinced their little son has had a former life.

From an early age, James would play with nothing else but planes, his parents say. But when he was 2, they said the planes their son loved began to give him regular nightmares.

"I'd wake him up and he'd be screaming," Andrea told ABCNEWS' Chris Cuomo. She said when she asked her son what he was dreaming about, he would say, "Airplane crash on fire, little man can't get out."

Reality Check

Andrea says her mom was the first to suggest James was remembering a past life.

At first, Andrea says she was doubtful. James was only watching kids' shows, his parents say, and they weren't watching World War II documentaries or conversing about military history.

But as time went by, Andrea began to wonder what to believe. In one video of James at age 3, he goes over a plane as if he's doing a preflight check.

Another time, Andrea said, she bought him a toy plane, and pointed out what appeared to be a bomb on its underside. She says James corrected her, and told her it was a drop tank. "I'd never heard of a drop tank," she said. "I didn't know what a drop tank was."

Then James' violent nightmares got worse, occurring three and four times a week. Andrea's mother suggested she look into the work of counselor and therapist Carol Bowman, who believes that the dead sometimes can be reborn.

With guidance from Bowman, they began to encourage James to share his memories — and immediately, Andrea says, the nightmares started become less frequent. James was also becoming more articulate about his apparent past, she said.

Bowman said James was at the age when former lives are most easily recalled. "They haven't had the cultural conditioning, the layering over the experience in this life so the memories can percolate up more easily," she said.

Trail of Mysteries

Over time, James' parents say he revealed extraordinary details about the life of a former fighter pilot — mostly at bedtime, when he was drowsy.

They say James told them his plane had been hit by the Japanese and crashed. Andrea says James told his father he flew a Corsair, and then told her, "They used to get flat tires all the time."

In fact, historians and pilots agree that the plane's tires took a lot of punishment on landing. But that's a fact that could easily be found in books or on television.

Andrea says James also told his father the name of the boat he took off from — Natoma — and the name of someone he flew with — "Jack Larson."

After some research, Bruce discovered both the Natoma and Jack Larson were real. The Natoma Bay was a small aircraft carrier in the Pacific. And Larson is living in Arkansas.

"It was like, holy mackerel," Bruce said. "You could have poured my brains out of my ears. I just couldn't believe it.

James 2 = James M. Huston Jr.?

Bruce became obsessed, searching the Internet, combing through military records and interviewing men who served aboard the Natoma Bay.

He said James told him he had been shot down at Iwo Jima. James had also begun signing his crayon drawings "James 3." Bruce soon learned that the only pilot from the squadron killed at Iwo Jima was James M. Huston Jr.

Bruce says James also told him his plane had sustained a direct hit on the engine.

Ralph Clarbour, a rear gunner on a U.S. airplane that flew off the Natoma Bay, says his plane was right next to one flown by James M. Huston Jr. during a raid near Iwo Jima on March 3, 1945.

Clarbour said he saw Huston's plane struck by anti-aircraft fire. "I would say he was hit head on, right in the middle of the engine," he said.

Treasured Mementos

Bruce says he now believes his son had a past life in which he was James M. Huston Jr. "He came back because he wasn't finished with something."

The Leiningers wrote a letter to Huston's sister, Anne Barron, about their little boy. And now she believes it as well.

"The child was so convincing in coming up with all the things that there is no way on the world he could know," she said.

But Professor Paul Kurtz of the State University of New York at Buffalo, who heads an organization that investigates claims of the paranormal, says he thinks the parents are "self-deceived."

"They're fascinated by the mysterious and they built up a fairy tale," he said.

James' vivid, alleged recollections are starting to fade as he gets older — but among his prized possessions remain two haunting presents sent to him by Barron: a bust of George Washington and a model of a Corsair aircraft.

They were among the personal effects of James Huston sent home after the war.

"He appears to have experienced something that I don't think is unique, but the way it's been revealed is quite astounding," Bruce said.

Asked if the idea that James may have been someone else changes his or his wife's feeling about their son, Bruce said: "It doesn't change how we think. I don't look at him and say, 'That's not my boy.' That's my boy."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Louisiana; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: faithandphilosophy; iwo; jamesleininger; louisiana; ltjameshustonjr; reincarnation; soulsurvivor
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To: Dave S
So says one dead man, Paul.

So says others, actually. At least four (the first four books of the New Testament). Those four who were actually with Jesus at the time.

-The Hajman-
61 posted on 04/24/2004 1:07:51 PM PDT by Hajman
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To: nmh
"Actually that is well documented in history. Whether you care to believe it or not is your choice but the two issues are not comaparable."

Documented?
62 posted on 04/24/2004 1:08:12 PM PDT by Lord_Baltar
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To: churchillbuff
It has been proven that people can be led to tell any number of things with the suggestions and guiding of the psychologist. This is also true with child molestation cases. The children tend to pick up on what the adults want them to say as an answer and they start exaggerating from there.
63 posted on 04/24/2004 1:09:18 PM PDT by Sir Gawain
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To: Drango
Benedict Arnold = John F Kerry

Proof of reincarnation:

Arrogant, deceitful, traitor to his comrades in arms, lived overseas, born poor/married money, bad temper when challenged, kissed CLINTON's butt (Sir Henry Clinton and Bubba Clinton...how's that for a coinkidinc?), New englander, full fledge idiot.... HOW MUCH MORE PROOF DO YOU WANT?
Did Benedict own an SUV or did his wife ?

64 posted on 04/24/2004 1:09:41 PM PDT by UltraKonservativen (( YOU CAN'T FIX STUPID ))
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To: Cvengr
Not reincarnation, but familiar spirits.

Both terms are just shorthand for "I don't know."

65 posted on 04/24/2004 1:09:41 PM PDT by bcoffey (There are 10 types of people: those who understand binary and those who don't.)
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To: nmh
Not to bust your rant, but the gifts were sent AFTER he had devuldged all the information.
66 posted on 04/24/2004 1:10:09 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Drango
Benedict Arnold = John F Kerry

Proof of reincarnation:

Arrogant, deceitful, traitor to his comrades in arms, lived overseas, born poor/married money, bad temper when challenged, kissed CLINTON's butt (Sir Henry Clinton and Bubba Clinton...how's that for a coinkidinc?), New englander, full fledge idiot.... HOW MUCH MORE PROOF DO YOU WANT?
Did Benedict own an SUV or did his wife ?

67 posted on 04/24/2004 1:10:11 PM PDT by UltraKonservativen (( YOU CAN'T FIX STUPID ))
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To: Aliska
It's also odd that the father had to find the identity of the dead airman. It isn't real clear, but one would expect the boy to known what his name had been in the alleged past life.

Give the kid some credit. He remembered his first name, he knew the name of his carrier, the type of plane he flew, his best friends name, exactly what day he died and where, that he was James the III (in previous life his father was James and he was James), he knew where his plane was hit (right in the nose). That is a lot for a toddler.

I will admit it might not be reincarnation. The kid maybe tuning into some kind of universal mind. I doubt it is posession as there doesnt seem to be any harm to anyone.

68 posted on 04/24/2004 1:13:38 PM PDT by Dave S
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To: Hajman
I think we have to stay open to some kinds of paranormal stuff.

Discovery channel has ran a few times "A Haunting in Georgia", about a young girl who has strange stuff happening to and around her, including seeing a spirit of an old man.

They bring in a science type guy from a local college, and he starts setting up his instruments, etc, and for the length of the show, he's talking about variations in electric fields, etc, ad nauseum.

Somehow, he gets a picture of an old man who had died at the house. He mixes it with ten other pictures and takes it to the girl.

Of course, after looking at the pictures for a few seconds, she picks out the one of the man who dies there, and says he is (one of) the spirits she sees.

At the end of the show, the rational science type dude still goes on with his electromagnetic spiel then drops this little nugget... "We are forced to conclude that after a person dies, something residual remains"
69 posted on 04/24/2004 1:18:52 PM PDT by djf
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To: churchillbuff
It is apointed once for a man to die and then the judgement ...where he stands before his maker and is rewarded or punished for the things HE (and he alone) did while in his body.... Once to die..or reincarnation
70 posted on 04/24/2004 1:24:48 PM PDT by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: Hajman
So says others, actually. At least four (the first four books of the New Testament). Those four who were actually with Jesus at the time.

I believe Acts is the only book where 500 is mentioned.

71 posted on 04/24/2004 1:26:03 PM PDT by Dave S
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To: churchillbuff
Fascinating. I don't know how it can be proven or disproven but there are forces and things in this Universe that we don't always understand. Reminds me of a story I heard on Art Bell once, something similar. The wife's father was a former detective who died before her son was born. When her son was 3 or 4, he started to act like the grandfather, wearing a hat, carrying a toy revolver, pretending to smoke a cigar and talk like a detective. She felt her son was her father coming back to her. When she took the toy gun away from him, he would cry uncontrollably.
72 posted on 04/24/2004 1:27:33 PM PDT by Nowhere Man ("Laws are the spider webs through which the big bugs fly past and the little ones get caught.")
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To: Quix
Person B alive now, would have easily been followed in terms of ancestory of any sort by demonic forces alive since creation. Such demonic forces would have plenty of information and power capacity to simulate anything desired for seducing a currently living person into a philosophical/religious orientation feeding satan's agenda.

Yep, I agree with you. This what the bible refers to as 'familar spirits'. These spirits are what the soothsayers (fortune tellers) work with. I do not believe in reincarnation. Each one of us is unique there is no one else like you and there will never be. Sorry, but I think like JonBenet Ramsey's parents used her, this kid is being u$ed, too.

73 posted on 04/24/2004 1:29:26 PM PDT by shiva
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To: Lord_Baltar
Who were you in a previous life?
74 posted on 04/24/2004 1:29:47 PM PDT by lowbridge ("You are an American. You are my brother. I would die for you." -Kurdish Sergeant)
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To: lowbridge
:) I don't know if I'd want to know...
75 posted on 04/24/2004 1:32:29 PM PDT by Lord_Baltar
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To: Quix
#7 - what you said!
76 posted on 04/24/2004 1:33:14 PM PDT by mombonn
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To: lentulusgracchus
I'm not saying it is not possible, but it is incompatible with our understanding of Christianity. The lives of those who espouse and cling to this philosophy are not anything I would want to emulate. Look at Shirley McClaine, Alice Bailey, Helen Blavatsky, all kind of weirdos.

The main appeal of this philosophy is that there is no God to answer to. One becomes one's own god and falls into the clutches of spiritual guides who are probably deceivers and agents of the god of this world we were warned about.

77 posted on 04/24/2004 1:48:12 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: Young Rhino
I guess one would just have to take it as a matter of faith, just like immaculate conception, and rising from the dead after being crucified.


Oh? Does this kid or reincarnation have two religions going back 5000 years based around it and was it fortold in the old testament which is written in a language preserved and still in use today?
78 posted on 04/24/2004 1:48:42 PM PDT by TalBlack ("Tal, no song means anything without someone else....")
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To: PAR35
The relevant section is here:

On 1 January 1945, NATOMA BAY, reassigned to CARDIV 25, sortied once again with ships of an attack force, the target this time, Luzon. There, after battling enemy nuisance and suicide raiders enroute, she, with 5 other CVEs, provided air cover for the Bombardment and Fire Support Group prior to the landings, and direct air support ahead of the amphibious troops after the assault in the San Fabian area.

Between the 10th and the 17th, her continuous direct air support missions resulted in the damage and destruction of bridges, fuel and ammunition dumps, barracks, roads and vehicles.

After replenishment at Mindoro, NATOMA BAY cruised west of Mindoro until the 29th. She then moved into position to support amphibious landings on the west coast of Zambales Province and at Subic Bay, remaining there until 1 February. Her task group, 77.4, then retired, reaching Ulithi on the 5th.

She sortied 10 February with TU-52.2.1, to provide air cover enroute to and during the Iwo Jima assault. Between the 16th and the 19th, her planes flew 123 sorties to prepare the way for the assault marines. On D-day, the 19th, 36 sorties provided direct support, while another 16 provided CAP cover. After the 19th, NATOMA BAY expanded her duties to include antisubmarine and air coordinator missions, and in March, to anti-shipping assignments.

NATOMA BAY departed the Volcano-Bonin area 8 March, entering Ulithi Lagoon on the 11th.


79 posted on 04/24/2004 1:51:56 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Et praeterea caeterum censeo, delenda est Carthago. -- M. Porcius Cato)
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To: churchillbuff

"More Americans get their news from my ass than from any other source."

80 posted on 04/24/2004 1:54:52 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Extremer than any Extremist!!!)
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