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A Stronger Force in Iraq
NY Times ^ | April 25, 2004 | Masthead Editorial

Posted on 04/25/2004 2:51:37 PM PDT by neverdem

President Bush should be sending yellow roses to Gen. Eric Shinseki and begging him to come back. Before the war in Iraq, General Shinseki, then the Army chief of staff, said that Mr. Bush was going to need "several hundred thousand" soldiers to occupy and stabilize the country. The general was denounced by Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld's civilian team and then ushered into retirement. Mr. Bush clung to Mr. Rumsfeld's misguided idea that a minimal force could not only capture Baghdad but could also hold, stabilize and rebuild an entire country.

Mr. Rumsfeld was right about the lightning strike into Baghdad. But he was tragically wrong about everything else, and the deeper the United States gets into this badly planned occupation, the more American soldiers are paying the price. In the 13 months of war, about 700 American soldiers have been listed as killed, including at least 100 just in April. The White House cannot continue to deny our forces and the Iraqi people the protection that adequate troop strength would provide.

The administration agreed to increase the occupation force from about 115,000 to about 135,000 after being surprised by an easily predictable uprising this month. But it did so by extending the stay of already exhausted soldiers. And it authorized the increase for just 90 days, suggesting that it is continuing to put off hard decisions and deny unpleasant realities. The White House does not talk about it much, but the Pentagon is planning to stay in Iraq at least until the end of 2006. Even that timetable is extremely optimistic. It assumes everything will go precisely according to a plan that no one outside Mr. Bush's circle seems to understand and that has certainly not worked well so far.

It is past time for the president to let go of Mr. Rumsfeld's flawed theories of war and authorize a real long-term increase in the force in Iraq. There is debate about how many more soldiers are needed — some experts say at least 50,000 in the short term, while others say even more. What is certain is that the nation cannot continue limping along on small, politically calibrated 90-day infusions. The White House likes to shift responsibility to those in uniform by saying it is up to the military to figure out what it needs to do its job. Unfortunately, military planners are not certain what that job is in broad political terms. They stick to the safer ground of figuring an adequate force to handle very specific, immediate assignments. The administration needs to create a long-term military strategy and accept the burden of providing the troops to carry it out.

The failure to do that reflects the overarching error of the Iraqi invasion, one that has defined the entire Bush administration — the refusal to take the political risk that comes with asking the voters for real sacrifice. The president led the public to underestimate the time it would take to turn Iraq into a stable democracy and the likely cost in money and blood. Even now he is trying to avoid admitting that Congress needs additional appropriations for the war, while preaching an election-year gospel of tax cuts.

Right now, the wrong people are bearing the burden. The reserves have done far more than their fair share and many men and women on active duty are also being kept in the field too long. Iraqi civilian casualties mount and the Iraqi people, who were supposed to get their freedom, are prisoners in their homes while street crime, terrorist violence and insurrection are rife.

Sending more troops will cause further pain to an already strained military and it means acknowledging that units now being rotated home could be sent back to Iraq. But there seems to be no other choice. Much of the current trouble could have been avoided if Mr. Rumsfeld had not been so determined to disprove the doctrine named for his rival, Secretary of State Colin Powell, which posits that force, if it is to be used at all, should be overwhelming. The period after the fall of Baghdad was catastrophic: Iraq was looted, its police and army were disbanded, its civil servants were fired in a needless political purge, armed militias formed, and the thin American ranks could do little more than watch in horror. The United States should have had a much larger military force ready to actually occupy Iraq and restore order.

As much as we hope that Mr. Bush's very belated agreement to involve the United Nations in Iraq can clear the way for greater international military assistance, it would be folly to count on more than symbolic help in the near future. Any real increase in the military force in Iraq will have to come from the United States.

This page felt it was a mistake to invade Iraq without broad international support, and since then we have seen few indications that Mr. Bush's notion of establishing a stable democracy there is anything but a dream. Yet leaving Iraq now would create a situation so horrific that the United States is obliged to press forward as long as there seems any hope of making progress. The only possible, but by no means certain, road to a good outcome is to stick with the plan to allow the United Nations to set up an interim Iraqi government, to expand international political support, and to work with moderate Shiite and Sunni leaders to isolate the violent radicals. The Iraqi security forces have to be made into something far better than what they are now. It was a relief last week to see the occupation authorities finally start to reverse a foolish policy that denied work to Iraqis who had been forced to join Saddam Hussein's Baath Party in order to serve in the middle and lower levels of the deposed government and disbanded army.

We may, in the end, find that the task Mr. Bush has laid out for the brave men and women in the military and the brave Iraqi citizens who are struggling to create a better future is simply impossible to achieve. But we have not reached that point. This is not the moment for retreat and it certainly is not the moment for half measures.


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: donaldrumsfeld; iraq; secondguessers; troopstrength
I don't agree with everything in this editorial, but I agree with most of it. Maybe Rumsfeld had to make a virtue out of necessity by going in light, i.e. our armed forces are too small. Nevertheless, it's time for him to fall on his sword. Flame away.
1 posted on 04/25/2004 2:51:37 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem
"Mr. Rumsfeld's idea that a minimal force... " (war od the cheap side)

Welcome to (Wal...) PENTAGON !!
2 posted on 04/25/2004 2:54:40 PM PDT by traumer
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To: neverdem
I certainly won't flame you because you're 100% correct. For once, the Times is right on the money. We need more troops in Iraq -- a lot of them, right away.

Whether Rumsfeld should resign or not is something I'm still pondering. But he clearly is the principal author of a disastrous lack of intelligent planning. Probably that alone should require his resignation.
3 posted on 04/25/2004 2:55:12 PM PDT by Poundstone
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To: traumer
od = ON

4 posted on 04/25/2004 2:56:10 PM PDT by traumer
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To: Poundstone
Where are these troops going to be coming from ?

Where are you going to get troops to replace the additional troops going to Iraq ?
5 posted on 04/25/2004 2:58:22 PM PDT by stylin19a (is it mogadishu yet ?)
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To: traumer
Another Pravda East "WAAAAAAAAAAA IT'S A QUAGMIRE" article. Now this is real news.
6 posted on 04/25/2004 3:00:59 PM PDT by WTSand
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To: Poundstone
More troops ain't gonna do it....as antiwar freepers said from the beginning. Iraq is a Bosnia writ large. More troops will equal more headaches. Let's withdraw from this mess!
7 posted on 04/25/2004 3:03:10 PM PDT by Austin Willard Wright
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To: neverdem
Why would we need more troops when we don't use the ones we have for fear of hurting a terrorist's feelings? This has become a political police action now.
8 posted on 04/25/2004 3:04:25 PM PDT by JeeperFreeper
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To: neverdem
Here is a modest proposal...psst...The terrorists are reported to be hiding weapons in mosques...Ever thought about going into the mosques to get them?
9 posted on 04/25/2004 3:10:21 PM PDT by NoControllingLegalAuthority
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To: neverdem
The troop strength for occupation was too low. On the other hand, more troops equal more targets. The troop strength problem is a problem of size of the Army force and not one of boots on the ground. If we had the proper size of force; if Clinton hadn't tried to neuter the Army by cutting it from 18 to 10 divisions, then we would have the divisions in standby that could effectively keep a 3 division Corps continuously in the field with a 3 or 4 year rotation plan. Far be it from the NY(socialist) Times to mention that!

Somehow having only 135000 boots on the ground means to the Times that the UN should take over the job. This is so ignorant that it defies imagining.

All it takes for the UN, says the Times, is for ~the UN to get with moderate Iraqis and put down the radicals~. Since their question to the US military is "How," then it is only logical to ask "How" about this plan that goes from step 1 to step 100 without acknowledging all the intermediate pieces it takes to make that happen. It is a sleight-of-hand lie that the politically motivated Times has proposed.

They suggest that some fictional UN army is more capable than the US/British/Australian/Polish/Italian/etc. force. That isn't just wishful thinking; that is bold, dishonest propagandizing!

The NYTimes is part of the reason our troops are being killed....they embolden the terrorists. They truly are the 5th Column.
10 posted on 04/25/2004 3:16:02 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army and Proud of It!)
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To: neverdem
The only thing Shinseki should be getting is a subpoena to his court martial -- for leaking information to the press and for using his job (and control over spending) to set up his campaign for Senate in Hawaii. Funny that the author doesn't mention that if Shinseki had had his way we would have used up most of the Army to invade Afghanistan and that the Taliban/Al Qaeda would have had a free year to plan and prepare while Shinseki slowly built up his invasion force.
11 posted on 04/25/2004 3:18:44 PM PDT by LenS
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To: neverdem
The New York Slimes -- once again shows its ass to the world...

Semper Fi
12 posted on 04/25/2004 3:30:27 PM PDT by river rat (You may turn the other cheek...But I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: LenS
Army Times interview with Army Chief of Staff Schoomaker - Dated April 13, 2004

Q: So you would not support a call for more troops in Iraq.

A: we'll support what we're told to do.

Q: If they asked your opinion.

A: my opinion right now, having talked to the leadership over there, is that nobody foresees right now that we're going to have to surge more troops over there; that there's adequate troops there and that we have a lot of flexibility with what we've got.

You know, you have to ask yourself the question - where does it end in terms of how many troops it takes? Are we going to put one soldier per square meter in Iraq? And is that really going to solve the problem? I don't think so. I think that this really is maneuvering the resources that we have against the requirements in anticipation of what it is, and it is just not kind of a direct correlation to numbers.

You know, the other thing that I think we ought to remember is that we are generating a lot of coalition support over there, and included in that coalition are a lot of Iraqi security forces that we're training, that we're expediting the equipage of and ultimately they're going to have a lot to do with how this has to go.

just coming back from over there [and] talking to the leadership, and by the way, these things were going on while I was over there, I think everybody is pretty confident that they have got the resources that they need.

13 posted on 04/25/2004 3:32:36 PM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: neverdem
Gotta keep some troops fresh for the invasions into Iran and Syria.
14 posted on 04/25/2004 3:32:39 PM PDT by syriacus (Cyberterror experts Clarke + Gorelick kept out ALL terrorists who were disguised as electrons.)
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To: neverdem
Well, of all things-the NYT Editorial page is right.

the refusal to take the political risk that comes with asking the voters for real sacrifice

This is right on the money.

15 posted on 04/25/2004 3:32:56 PM PDT by Jim Noble (Now you go feed those hogs before they worry themselves into anemia!)
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To: LenS
Bingo.
16 posted on 04/25/2004 3:38:27 PM PDT by TADSLOS (Right Wing Infidel since 1954)
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To: syriacus
Gotta keep some troops fresh for the invasions into Iran and Syria.

Yep. I can't believe what I hear. We loose under 900 guy's in a year of a force of 115-135 thousand plus whatever we have in Afghanistan. And then its an absolute failure and disaster?

It seems to me that it is nothing but the kind of sorting out that has to be done. You have to let you're enemy regroup, if you want to minimize them. And you have to allow the retrained security forces to be tested, if you want to trust them. Everything is right on track. Nothing that has happened is out of the ordinary, nor has our operation been damaged in any way.

So what if the worst possible thing happens, that the religion of peace rises up, en-total, to evict the crusader? Iraq will just become much less populated, thats all. Which will give the Kurds a much stronger hand to play. And THAT would be in our long term interest.

17 posted on 04/25/2004 3:55:53 PM PDT by D Rider
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To: neverdem
Given that a "major" uprising was quelled with only a slight adjustment in numbers, and a city of 300,000 was laid siege to with an initial force of (1200/2500?) troops, it sure appears that the light tactics are winning the day. There's something to be said for keeping in motion with advanced communications support.

there was an interesting article a couple of months ago about the differences in effect in Afghanistan between the small autonomous groups, and the larger force structures. One of the things that became very clear was that "force protection" and fixed assets suck up a lot of people without adding a lot to your combat power. If you can set out valid tactics which minimize the need for them, you've eliminated a huge pool of liabilities.
18 posted on 04/25/2004 4:04:51 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: neverdem
How can you agree with ANY of it? It's utter nonsense from start to finish! It should be the 'meathead editorial':

1. "General Shinseki, then the Army chief of staff, said that Mr. Bush was going to need "several hundred thousand" soldiers to occupy and stabilize the country."

And he was proven wrong, as we have been there a year and we won a war and stabilized Iraq with much less.

2. "Mr. Bush clung to Mr. Rumsfeld's misguided idea that a minimal force could not only capture Baghdad .. "
Mr Bush didnt 'cling' to anything, he signed off on the most successful military plans ever put in effect when we invaded and secured Baghdad within 3 weeks.

"Mr. Rumsfeld was right about the lightning strike into Baghdad." Yes he was. Mostly, he was right to give General Franks what the General asked for.

4." But he was tragically wrong about everything else,"
WRONG!!! And this is the nub of the problem. I recall MANY DoD press conferences where Rumsfeld refused to predict what would happen since he said it was not knowable.

Rumsfeld has been right about that, far more so than NYTimes which has predicted 20 out of every 5 things that have gone wrong...

5. " badly planned occupation," another lie. cant get into details, but it was not 'badly planned', as there were operational plans on different contingencies, many of which never happened.

6." The White House cannot continue to deny our forces and the Iraqi people the protection that adequate troop strength would provide." Yet another lie. What is not conveyed is simply the reality that more troops ie more targets and closer US presense would mean less deaths, actually the opposite is likely. A deliberate policy of trying to give the Iraqis both more responsibility for security and more opportunity was made. It was made because we DONT want to be an occupying force.

Now, you could argue the pro/cons of more troops - the pro of security margins, the cons of cost and the fact that it would create greater dependency on the US, which would create greater US problems as Iraqis would not feel compelled to manage the situation. more importantly, though, the reality that intelligence is the real bottleneck not raw numbers. But, as usual the NYTimes looks at the cons on one side, but not on the other. You can be CERTAIN that had Bush ordered 300,000 into Iraq the NYTimes today would be denouncing the 'heavy handed

6."The administration agreed to increase the occupation force from about 115,000 to about 135,000 after being surprised by an easily predictable uprising this month."
Another lie - it was not an 'uprising'.
Another lie - predictable or not, the increase was a reasonable response to events. In particular *not* the insurgents, but the Iraqi forces not being up to par.

7. " But it did so by extending the stay of already exhausted soldiers." Another lie! troops are no "exhausted" simply because their tour of duty is up. There is nothing suggesting the extention cannot be done by professional troops. Does NYT seriously aim to suggest the troops are too 'exhausted' to stay 3 more months?!?

8. " And it authorized the increase for just 90 days, suggesting that it is continuing to put off hard decisions"

More baloney! It is NOT putting off hard decisions, it is waiting to see how events evolve.

Apparently, the NYTimes lives in the unreal world where all security risks can be assessed prior to reality happening, that every planner must be a 100% correct oracle, or 'planning has failed'...

9. "The White House does not talk about it much, but the Pentagon is planning to stay in Iraq at least until the end of 2006." See, this is the kind of phony baloney that NYTimes trades in all the time. They spout this like some kind of failing of the administration... hello? We are still in *Bosnia* for cryin out loud! Anyone with a brain knows that the US has *wanted* to stay in Iraq - if we are wanted there - for the foreseeable future. It is great basing for our influence in the mid-east and for the GWOT.

" Even that timetable is extremely optimistic."

No its not optimistic. Here is "optimistic" - we stay there another 10 years in Iraq as welcome guests, and in the interim, WE WIN THE WAR ON TERROR helping Iran, Syria, and other nations reform or face revolution.

10. " It assumes everything will go precisely according to a plan that no one outside Mr. Bush's circle seems to understand and that has certainly not worked well so far."

The clueless Times gets it wrong again. The vision is for a stable democratic Iraq. To implement the vision we have a strategy - US military providing security, support for the political process of democratization - via CPA/UN/elections/constitution-writing etc., and handover of security duties to Iraqis as soon as we are able, by building up those institutions. The tactics of implementing that are up to the military. They've been doing a good job, although there is the reality of terrorists working actively against the coalition. Maybe we've been a bit soft on them.

"It is past time for the president to let go of Mr. Rumsfeld's flawed theories of war ..."

excuse me, but we have Rumsfeld: 2 countries successfully invaded and enemies deposed; NYTime editors: 0 countries.
It is past time for the NYTimes to let go of their phony presumed superiority in issues they themselves have proven ignorant about.
Rumsfeld and our DoD have proven themselves capable of winning wars.

11. "What is certain is that the nation cannot continue limping along on small, politically calibrated 90-day infusions."
Another lie - the infusion is not 'politically calibrated' but militarily so. What does the military want? what they want they get.

12. " The White House likes to shift responsibility to those in uniform by saying it is up to the military to figure out what it needs to do its job. Unfortunately, military planners are not certain what that job is in broad political terms."

Hogwash. The job is Iraqi security and the NYTimes is lying again. Abazaid and Sanchez know their job, so does our US military generally.

NYT lies by ignoring the evidence and the clear statements from President Bush about the goal, and then says 'there is no plan'.

Wolfowitz, Myers, Grossman (DoS) and others were testifying to Congress thursday. They gave *hours* of testimony that point by point totally and 100% refutes these lies of 'no planning' or 'poor planning' or 'we dont know the plan'. These are ALL LIES DESIGNED TO UNDERMINE THE PRESIDENT, THEY ARE WHOLLY WITHOUT BASIS. You can dispute the plan, or not like it, or propose something else, but it is there and it is clear enough to those who care to listen.

" They stick to the safer ground of figuring an adequate force to handle very specific, immediate assignments. The administration needs to create a long-term military strategy and accept the burden of providing the troops to carry it out."

Duh. They have done exactly that! See above comment. You see, we are again at the conundrum of 'planning', the NYTimes wants it all spelled out in enough detail so they can hammer Bush hard for any perceived slip or change. They hold Bush to an impossible standard that castigate him for failing to be perfect.

Rumsfeld has a more rational and flexible strategic approach. Dont try to predict the future, take into account the possible scenarios and adjust on an ongoing basis.
NYTimes is too rigid in thinking to understand this mode of operation.
A simple retort might be to ask the NYTimes - 'okay, so what stories will be on your front page on may 15th? oh, you dont know? how can you run a paper with such poor planning of future issues!'
Gosh, that's an easy job, being a critic in war!


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"The failure to do that reflects the overarching error of the Iraqi invasion, one that has defined the entire Bush administration — the refusal to take the political risk that comes with asking the voters for real sacrifice."

AND NOW WE GET TO THE REAL AGENDA. The NYTimes wants Bush to beg for a 'sacrifice' - maybe we have to wear sweaters, or give up SUVs, or even better Higher Taxes - from the people.

"The president led the public to underestimate the time it would take to turn Iraq into a stable democracy"

*ANOTHER LIE*. Any thinking person was thinking a few years of transition. Administration has made that clear.
We've been told that June 30th was 'too fast' ... hmm. the timeline is a permanent govt by end of 2005, and that is a planning estimate stable since late last year.



"Even now he is trying to avoid admitting that Congress needs additional appropriations for the war, while preaching an election-year gospel of tax cuts."

Oooo, cant you see thse liberals seething at a President *still* advocating tax cuts. boy they would love to pin any tax increase on the "price of Bush's Iraq policy" or some such nonsense. Never mind that Iraq's total war cost is still less than 1 month of total govt spending.


"Right now, the wrong people are bearing the burden. The reserves have done far more than their fair share and many men and women on active duty are also being kept in the field too long. Iraqi civilian casualties mount"

An Al Jazeera LIE!!! The civilians are being killed by TERRORISTS.


"Sending more troops will cause further pain to an already strained military"

The military 'strained'. Is that why recruitment goals are being exceeded?

"The period after the fall of Baghdad was catastrophic: Iraq was looted, its police and army were disbanded, its civil servants were fired in a needless political purge,"

more baloney!!! .... getting rid of baathists was not 'needless'.

" armed militias formed, and the thin American ranks could do little more than watch in horror."

Inventing history - hysteria - as we speak! The looting was something we didnt feel the need to stop immediately as we had remnants of an enemy to defeat.

The main issue is not that we disbanded the police - it is that the police *disappeared*. So did the army. The NYTimes is *blaming* the US military for the craven lack of duty of any element of saddam's govt to stick around !!!!
This is amazing! It is as absurd as those meatheads blaming British rockets for the Basra car bombings.

Let us recount what happened: US military invades Baghdad. Police are gone. Amry is gone. Iraqi people loot. US military stuck fighting remaining fighters. How is this lack of civil order the fault of the US military?!?

"As much as we hope that Mr. Bush's very belated agreement to involve the United Nations in Iraq"

YET ANOTHER LIE. We asked for UN involvement since last may. It has been the UN dragging their feet, not the US who has been belated in working on this.


"This page felt it was a mistake to invade Iraq without broad international support, and since then we have seen few indications that Mr. Bush's notion of establishing a stable democracy there is anything but a dream."

So they were against the war and have henpecked it to death ever since.

"It was a relief last week to see the occupation authorities finally start to reverse a foolish policy that denied work to Iraqis who had been forced to join Saddam Hussein's Baath Party in order to serve in the middle and lower levels of the deposed government and disbanded army."

More hogwash. It was a good policy supported by most Iraqis. It has not harmed Iraq at all to carry that out, and the change by Bremer is a slight one, not a major one.
Now the NYTimes is carrying water for the baathist-lovers in the UN. guys like brahimi... ugggg.
19 posted on 04/25/2004 4:09:37 PM PDT by WOSG (http://freedomstruth.blogspot.com - I salute our brave fallen.)
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To: JeeperFreeper
Why would we need more troops when we don't use the ones we have for fear of hurting a terrorist's feelings?

Yup. In this kind of war, more troops just means more targets. The NYT is so off base here it would be funny, if so many people weren't buying the bs.

20 posted on 04/25/2004 4:19:56 PM PDT by squidly (I have always felt that a politician is to be judged by the animosity he excites among his opponents)
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