Human Tsunami (Washington Times Special Report)

The Washington Times ^ | April 25, 2004 | Valerie Richardson

[primeval patriot]

LOS ANGELES- Ines Netkin lives in a neat, ranch-style home in middle-class Los Angeles County, but she worries that her neighborhood is starting to look like it belongs south of the border."It used to be nice to live around here, but it's deteriorating. We have dirty streets, traffic jams, more crime. It's not the way it used to be," Mrs. Netkin said. "I feel like it's going to become like Mexico City. Right now, if you closed your eyes and opened them in downtown Los Angeles, you would think that you were in Mexico City."

[BJungNan]

if you closed your eyes and opened them in downtown Los Angeles, you would think that you were in Mexico City."

This is so true. On Wilshire and the streets the intersect it near Vermont, Normadie and many other places the trash is strewn nearly curb high in many places. Not just in one section, but the entire length of many city blocks.

It used to be when I returned from Shanghai I would say, isn't it great to be back to a clean city. Now it is the other way around. Shanghai and many, many other cities in China that used to be dirty and littered are now very clean.

The only exception is the air pollution. The U.S. still had the cleanest air - even in Los Angeles - of many cities in the world including many in Europe and certainly better than China.

Sad, so sad what is becoming of this country.

[traumer]

I may be asking for a trouble here.... but what is the current administration (and - Yes, Bush) doing ??

[cajungirl]

seems to me the great state of California and their good for nothing politicians ought to do something about it before Bush goes out on that limb.

[CalifornianConservative]

Again, what is it about the word illegal that our officials don't understand?

I DON'T believe the numbers on that poll that says 61 percent of people want health care for illegals.

[Brownie74]

I used to live at The Meadowcreek Apartments at 136 S. Virgil when they were brand new. I understand that neighborhood is a war zone now. I got the hell out of Dodge in 1980 and moved back to Texas.

"It wouldn't be so bad if they would adapt to our ways, but they don't. We have to adapt to their ways,"

Don't say I didn't warn you. Coming to a neighborhood near you soon.

[primeval patriot]

I may be asking for a trouble here.... but what is the current administration (and - Yes, Bush) doing ??

Having sleepovers with Vincente Fox.

[Brownie74]

....but what is the current administration (and - Yes, Bush) doing ??

Bush is pushing for amnesty for these little darlins'. In a letter to me dated September 2002 he said that he was going to continue to push Section 245(i) of the Immigration and Naturalization Act through congress. Can you spell A-M-N-E-S-T-Y? Or how about vote pandering!!

[Gritty]

You could change the by-line to almost any area of the country and write the same story. This country is being deluged by illegals. I'm convinced the numbers they give are under-estimated by a factor of at least three.

I don't know exactly where this is all heading, but wherever it is, it won't be named either "Peace" or "Tranquility".

[DoughtyOne]

Immigration control, is a federal matter. California can't do something about it, until Bush, the next president or Congress wake up and get off their duff and do something about this.

If this state had proper representation about 20 years ago, it would have told the federal government to fix this or else. Today about all that is left to do is to hand the keys to Mexico.

May God grant the people who had a hand in doing this to our state, a special place in hell.

[norton]

"There's no doubt that Los Angeles has benefited from the infusion of hard-working illegal workers who clean hotel rooms, bus restaurant tables, and otherwise keep its billion-dollar tourism industry humming."

WRONG!
There is every doubt in the world, there is absolute and unavoidable eye-witness proof that there has been just the opposite of a benefit to LA or to the South West at large.
Just downright, damned, wrong!

The subject of this article notes that downtown LA is basically Tijuana with high rises.
The very places these thugs are 'escaping' follow right along.
The PC bureaucrats and special interests aid and abet the transition that will someday allow them to skim off as much as their mexican counterparts.

Everyone wins except the middle class, the 'American' populace, that will get up and leave; hopefully before the real estate market nose dives again.

[WhatHappenedtoAmerica]

The real problem is us.


Just look at this site. How many posts are there on the topic of illegals? And we're the supposedly the conservatives who WANT to something about it.


Too much apathy.

[Hop A Long Cassidy]

Illegals-coming-here-to-trash-the-cities-that-Americans-won't bump

I guess if we give them amnesty then it'll be a domestic issue.

Hoppy

[eleni121]

You really should read the Bush proposals for immigration reform before you criticize. You will find that they address employer and citizen concerns fairly.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/01/20040107-1.html

[Savage Beast]

Be glad they're not Muslims, Ines.

[traumer]

"Be glad they're not Muslims"
Very true - just look at Spain and France and England and Netherlands and ...

[primeval patriot]

You could change the by-line to almost any area of the country and write the same story.

Dallas and Fort Worth aren't quite as bad as LA, yet.

I don't know exactly where this is all heading, but wherever it is, it won't be named either "Peace" or "Tranquility".

I'm not optimistic about the outcome either.

[Pontiac]

According to a March 2004 survey by the Public Policy Institute of California (PPIC), 61 percent of respondents said that illegal immigrants should have access to health care, while only 33 percent wanted to deny it.

I think illegal immigrants should have the best health care they can pay for.

[DoctorMichael]

Left-LA-for-Virginia-10-years-ago Bump.

[primeval patriot]

Everyone wins except the middle class

I'm wondering when they're going to wake up.

[DoughtyOne]

To be honest, you're being much too kind there fella. I've had countless discussions with people who openly support illegal immigration into our nation. Some even advocate open borders. Some of them think NAFTA is wonderfull and can't wait for FTAA. Apathy? We should be so lucky, that was the only problem.

[primeval patriot]

The real problem is us.

Just look at this site. How many posts are there on the topic of illegals? And we're the supposedly the conservatives who WANT to something about it.

Too much apathy.

There's more posting on this topic than in the past. A lot more.

Also remember there are "conservatives" posting on this site who have the sincere opinion that millions of poor third worlders are good for business. They're making money hand over fist and don't want to hear any talk of restricting their global labor pool.

[Dark Wing]

ping

[Tropicalwatcher]

It is getting real bad up here in Portland, Oregon. By the week; there seems to be more in more Mexicans. There is even parts of this city that have whole parts of it with just Mexicans :( I don't went to see what it will be like in 5 years.

[hosepipe]

Democrat party schadenfreude(joy in others misfortune)

[King Prout]

^4later

[gubamyster]

ping

[MegaSilver]

According to a March 2004 survey by the Public Policy Institute of California (PPIC), 61 percent of respondents said that illegal immigrants should have access to health care, while only 33 percent wanted to deny it.

What morons.

[MegaSilver]

You really should read the Bush proposals for immigration reform before you criticize. You will find that they address employer and citizen concerns fairly.

What the heck; I might as well. I haven't had my daily dose of propaganda yet, after all...

[skeeter]

WRONG! There is every doubt in the world, there is absolute and unavoidable eye-witness proof that there has been just the opposite of a benefit to LA or to the South West at large. Just downright, damned, wrong!

Got that right. LA was described for me by a couple of Englishmen who vacationed there as a "sh*thole".

[Nea Wood]

Now she regards with frustration the Hispanic immigrants she sees taking over her San Fernando Valley Van Nuys neighborhood, packing 20 persons into single-family homes, turning the local stores into Spanish-only tiendas, leaving their burnt-out stoves and infested mattresses in the alley behind her house, slowly but surely driving out their middle-class neighbors.

Absolutely true of Van Nuys. It's a perfect description. Only she left out the noise, graffiti, abandoned shopping carts, and bars on the doors and windows.

[Travis McGee]

"It wouldn't be so bad if they would adapt to our ways, but they don't. We have to adapt to their ways," Mrs. Netkin said. "Whatever happened to, 'When in Rome'?"

CW2 Ping.

[Savage Beast]

Now, if all those Mexicans will register Republican, I'll put a welcome-mat on the Rio Grande.

[Just another Joe]

Be glad they're not Muslims, Ines.

How do you know that isn't what has started coming across our borders in droves?

[TLI]

bounce...

"I feel like it's going to become like Mexico City. Right now, if you closed your eyes and opened them in downtown Los Angeles, you would think that you were in Mexico City."

[Joe Hadenuf]

Dallas and Fort Worth aren't quite as bad as LA, yet.

Oh Really?

Did you know there are TWICE as many property crimes in Fort Worth as LA?

Almost as many murders per capita as LA?

Fort Worth has TWICE as many forcible rapes as LA!

Fort Worth has TWICE as many Burglary crimes as LA.

Fort Worth has over TWICE the Larceny-theft crimes as LA.

People ought to be a little more concerned about what's happening right under their own noses.

[Savage Beast]

We don't.

[Brian Allen]

<< voters approved Proposition 187, which would have cut services to illegal immigrants. >>

"Would have," my behind!

It bloody did.

Until subverted by lunatic-left-wing-fringe-dwelling Rule-by-Fiat "judicial" tyrants and their enabling and facilitating organized crime-family [AKA "DemocRAT" politician] henchmen!

[american spirit]

Sounds like they surveyed every barrio in the LA area only.

[NewRomeTacitus]

Join the fun as we take another look at "What Were They Really Saying?":

Raphael Sonenshein, a political science professor at California State University at Fullerton and author of a book on racial politics in Los Angeles, (Tax-subsidized propagandist and purveyor of racial politics.)

"You see that people are working, so the idea that these people are here for welfare isn't as prevalent, It's true that you have people using services, but they also contribute to the economy." ("Perception is more important than the facts.")

He argued that the poor immigrants' children have the potential to become the new middle class, depending on the education and other services they receive from their new country. ("Hand over what we want now and accept this fantasy.")

"There's sort of a decline of the middle class: The white population is moving out, the black population is moving out," he said. "But you also see immigrants coming in who are working class and middle class. It's just that the size of the working class is so huge that it makes the middle class look smaller." ("You racists need to adjust your definition of middle class to suit our lower standards.")

Mr. Anderson said. "People listen to (our radio) show and they're angry. I've never seen them this angry before."

"Sometimes, society just has to deal with things. And this may be one of those things," Mr. Sonenshein said. "As we've seen, the immigrant bashing of 1994 was both factually unfair and politically unadvisable." ("The facts aren't working for us so we demand you believe otherwise or we'll make you sorry.")

[ru4liberty]

What source are you obtaing your DFW vs. LA statistics from?

[janetgreen]

May God grant the people who had a hand in doing this to our state, a special place in hell.

Amen to that. This once was a beautiful place to live, now it has become Mexican Hollywood with all the trimmings (and we pay the bills for the mess).

[Joe Hadenuf]

What source are you obtaing your DFW vs. LA statistics from?

Several, they can be found on the web with little effort. Got a computer? Use it.

[ru4liberty]

Several, they can be found on the web with little effort. Got a computer? Use it.

I asked because you presented the conclusions. I had the impression you knew whereof you spoke and could point the readers to your source. My mistake.

[Joe Hadenuf]

Several, they can be found on the web with little effort. Got a computer? Use it.

I asked because you presented the conclusions. I had the impression you knew whereof you spoke and could point the readers to your source. My mistake.

What, you think I made it up? LOL....

I had the impression you had a computer and knew how to use it. Just for you, I'll give you a link. After this you're on you're own.

http://www.bestplaces.net/html/crimecompare3.asp?lcity=8381&rcity=10489&view=T

[dynamitehack]

This is old news.I left the San Fernando Valley in 1998. There were day laborors lining the streets by my house. The ones that didn't get picked up in the morning were drunk and pi**ing in the street by the afternoon. I can only imagine what a dump it is now!!

[familyofman]

"Bush is pushing for amnesty for these little darlins'. In a letter to me dated September 2002 he said that he was going to continue to push Section 245(i) of the Immigration and Naturalization Act through congress. Can you spell A-M-N-E-S-T-Y?" Not to mention brother Jeb wanting to give these illegals valid drivers licenses.

Talk about putting out the ol "welcome mat". No wonder the rate of illegals coming to America has been increasing. But, you have to consider the many benefits to our economy deriveded through illegals and outsourcing. We never had it so good!!!

[I_Love_My_Husband]

This is heartbreaking. I grew up there. It was my home. It was safe.

:(

[RaceBannon]

Oh, that's easy to answwer...

Bush is allowing this to happen in order to get votes from them in high numbers in order to stay in power.

See?