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CITY GIVES TENTATIVE OK FOR MUSLIM PRAYER CALLS - HAMTRAMCK, MICHIGAN
Detroit Free Press ^ | 21 April 2004 | CECIL ANGEL, Staff Writer

Posted on 04/27/2004 11:04:56 AM PDT by Robert Drobot

Edited on 05/07/2004 7:13:27 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

The Hamtramck City Council gave initial approval Tuesday night to allowing mosques in the city to broadcast the Muslim call to prayer over loudspeakers.

The issue, which has divided many of the city's Muslim and Christian residents, has attracted national attention and has evolved from a debate about a noise ordinance to one about religious freedom and tolerance.


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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: abuse; aclu; churchandstate; churchbells; control; government; hamtramck; islam; muslimamericans; muslimcontrol; prayer; publicprayer
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To: MarMema
What do you think?

What I think is that I'm chuckling over an old joke, that starts with, "How can you tell who the pioneers are?"

101 posted on 04/27/2004 4:51:47 PM PDT by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: Thinkin' Gal
Anybody got a URL for "Jihad in America"? It's a PBS show you can download and watch -- it'll give you the shivvers.
102 posted on 04/27/2004 4:53:47 PM PDT by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: bigcheese
You may think you're making a funny ha ha, but you're not. Check out "Jihad in America" -- it's happening now, and has been happening for quite some time.
103 posted on 04/27/2004 4:55:07 PM PDT by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: TonyRo76
God bless Texas!!!

I thought our Texas Pres had proclaimed these monkeys had a "religion of peace" ??

(head shaking).

104 posted on 04/27/2004 4:57:37 PM PDT by iconoclast
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To: Don Joe
It's not about practicing their religion. It's about sticking their thumb in our eye.


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PING
105 posted on 04/27/2004 5:05:41 PM PDT by bwteim (Begin With The End In Mind)
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To: Robert Drobot
What is to keep every Christian church in that city from buying the biggest bell they can find and all of them ring constantly in unison at the same time as the prayer call?
106 posted on 04/27/2004 5:15:35 PM PDT by TonyM (E)
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To: Don Joe
Uhhhh.... that wasn't meant to be '...a funny'.

"Assumptions are the termites of relationships." - Henry Winkler

107 posted on 04/27/2004 5:23:07 PM PDT by bigcheese ("Standing on the beach with a gun in my hand, staring at the sea, staring at the sand...")
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To: Robert Drobot
Don't get me wrong--I am not for the ACLU BUT when you have a town that is predominately Muslim and the ordinance regulating noise changes--where has the law been broken? As someone else on this web-site said "this is not about religion anymore--it's about territory."

AND, I find it very disturbing we Americans are allowing minorities of every kind to manipulate us in so many ways.
108 posted on 04/27/2004 5:35:41 PM PDT by Snoopers-868th
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To: Robert Drobot
This sounds so......European. Hope it's nipped in the bud.
109 posted on 04/27/2004 5:39:46 PM PDT by ride the whirlwind (We can't let Kerry win - an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.)
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To: Robert Drobot
"Hamtramck is going to be a pioneer city for the whole United States."

Next they work on changing the name.

110 posted on 04/27/2004 5:51:36 PM PDT by Flyer (CAUTION! People May Be Dumber Than They Appear In The Forum)
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To: Gritty
Add a bit of seasoning with this:


Onward, christian soldiers,
Marching as to war,
With the cross of jesus,
Going on before!

Christ the royal master,
Leads against the foe;
Forward into battle,
See his banners go!

Onward, christian soldiers,
Marching as to war,
With the cross of jesus,
Going on before!

Like a might army
Moves the church of god!
Brothers, we are treading
Where the saints have trod!

We are not divided,
All one body we,
One in hope and doctrine,
One in charity!

Onward, christian soldiers,
Marching as to war,
With the cross of jesus,
Going on before!

Onward. then, ye people!
Join our happy throng!
Blend with ours your voices,
In the triumph song!
Glory laud and honour,
Unto christ the king,
This through countless ages,
Men and angels sing.

Onward, christian soldiers,
Marching as to war,
With the cross of jesus,
Going on before!
Amen
111 posted on 04/27/2004 5:58:24 PM PDT by JakeSladder ("if men are so wicked as we now see them with religion, what would they be if without it?")
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To: Robert Drobot
Give it 5 to 10 years and a large minority of americans will be speaking Arabic as a second language, right behind Spanish. And the Koran will be in the top 10 best sellers, here.

The times are changing, faster!!!

Then the call for the killing of Jews and Christians will begin. Nothing new. I will be ready!
112 posted on 04/27/2004 6:01:08 PM PDT by Warlord David
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To: Robert Drobot
So when do those of the Jewish faith get to blow the shofar? Weak kneed civil authorities. Bah.
113 posted on 04/27/2004 6:01:55 PM PDT by madison10
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To: Robert Drobot
Shakespeare: "All the world's a stage."

Mohammed: "All the world's a mosque"

114 posted on 04/27/2004 6:09:29 PM PDT by syriacus (If getting 3 Purple Hearts got Kerry OUT of Vietnam, returning them should have sent him back.)
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To: Flyer
Next they work on changing the name.

Lambtramck.

115 posted on 04/27/2004 6:13:27 PM PDT by syriacus (If getting 3 Purple Hearts got Kerry OUT of Vietnam, returning them should have sent him back.)
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To: All
Just got back from the Hamtramck City Council meeting, which was packed so tightly that a cordless mic had to be passed around in place of the stationary mic that is normally used.

There was a heavy presence of people from outside the city, including a number of persons from Ohio.

Predictably, nearly all of the long-time residents, mostly second- or third-generation Americans of Polish heritage, spoke out against the resolution, while the Muslims, who greatly outnumbered Christians at the meeting, spoke in favor.

Bottom line: The gutless wonders on the City Council gave final approval.

Salami, salami, baloney
Lenny

116 posted on 04/27/2004 9:25:34 PM PDT by lennydetroit
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To: bigcheese
Uhhhh.... that wasn't meant to be '...a funny'.

I was wrong to detect a note of sarcasm in your post?

C'est la vie...

117 posted on 04/27/2004 11:24:28 PM PDT by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: lennydetroit
My sincere sympathies to you.

Makes you proud of our liberal immigration policies doesn't it?

NOT!!!

Now a community pot needs to be established to stop this insanity through the courts.

Hook up with Bob Golen in Hamtramck.

Try and find a pro bono shark who knows how to tie his shoes, and has his head on straight about Constitutional law. I think this noise ordinance change and or exception can be beaten.

Have a bank in an adjoining city open a Hamtramck Noise Abatement Legal Fund to pay for legal filings and related office expenses for your pro bono knight.

Then send me an e-mail about the location of the bank and the account number. I'll pass it on to over five thousand of my closest friends, and ask them to do the same, and chip in a few bucks for God and country.

Let's show our boys in Iraq that we damn well know how to 'clean clocks' on the homefront!!!

118 posted on 04/28/2004 2:37:59 AM PDT by Robert Drobot (God, family, country. All else is meaningless.)
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To: lennydetroit
What they gonna do at the next Council meeting, allow them to fly the Muslim Flag at the court house?

I never thought I'd live to see the day that this kind of absolute invasion of America would occur.

Next thing, we will be asked to give us our silverware and sit on the floor to eat.

And then they prohibit the South to fly the Confederate Flag.....go figure.
119 posted on 04/28/2004 2:43:51 AM PDT by not2worry
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To: Robert Drobot
How many Muslims are in your city?

Too many to count!

And I hear that prayer call several times every day.

:-)

By the way...I think this sucks. I hate to see what this multiculturalism crap is doing to the U.S. Talk about a Tower of Babel...

120 posted on 04/28/2004 2:55:17 AM PDT by Allegra (Badger, badger, badger, badger, badger, badger, badger, badger, MUSHROOM!)
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