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Schiavo's Parents Ask Judge to Intervene
Fox News ^ | 4/27/04 | AP

Posted on 04/27/2004 4:18:53 PM PDT by MVV

TAMPA, Fla. — The parents of a severely brain-damaged woman at the center of a right-to-die case say her husband has barred them from visiting her. They are asking a judge to intervene.

The lawsuit is the latest salvo in the long legal battle between Bob and Mary Schindler and Terri Schiavo's (search) husband, Michael -- his wife's legal guardian who is fighting to remove the feeding tube that keeps her alive.

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To: Pegita
Amen.
Prayers for Terri and her Mom and Dad. God bless them for their love and devotion.
21 posted on 04/28/2004 4:22:14 AM PDT by Jackie-O
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To: dandelion
bttt. Day 29 or 30 NO VISITORS ALLOWED including Terri's Priest Monsignor (I cannot spell his last name).
22 posted on 04/28/2004 7:58:41 AM PDT by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org/ GOP HELP TERRI or Constitution Party Here I Come)
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To: Wampus SC; FL_engineer
Trolls wait for orders from HINO's dream team. Trolls show up at Free Republic when Terri's team does new court filings. Trolls are enlisted to bring disinformation and lies to the table.

There's so much financial gain in the death business. IT'S ABOUT THE MONEY, which I believe or have heard is the "root of all evil"?????

I would say the killing business is a billion dollar industry and with improvements in medical care and life spans getting longer, THEY ARE REACHING FOR BABY BOOMERS NOW and for the disabled.

KA CHING

23 posted on 04/28/2004 8:06:03 AM PDT by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org/ GOP HELP TERRI or Constitution Party Here I Come)
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To: Dante3; All; russesjunjee; pc93
Michael did not remember her wishes until he took nursing classes at St. Pete College, met the nursing director there who just happened to be on the Board at Hospice, who just happened to serve on a Hospice Board that JUDGE GREER was on when he was County Commissioner AND THAT GEORGE FELOS served on. GEORGE FELOS resigned from the Hospice Board after he met Michael and offered to help MICHAEL KILL TERRI.

It is my opinion that Michael wasn't going to "kill" Terri until he met GEORGE FELOS through St. Pete College's Nursing Director.

The conspiracy to kill Terri began at St. Petersburg College in the early years.

24 posted on 04/28/2004 8:09:44 AM PDT by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org/ GOP HELP TERRI or Constitution Party Here I Come)
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To: BOBWADE; russesjunjee
Have no noticed that the fools with the most MACHO SOUNDING tough guy names want an innocent woman to be killed? It's easy to pick on women when you're a REAL TOUGH GUY. I think they call them BULLIES.

God Bless America and please, Lord, keep Terri safe.

25 posted on 04/28/2004 8:14:41 AM PDT by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org/ GOP HELP TERRI or Constitution Party Here I Come)
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To: trussell
There is nothing new in Terri's venue. Same old story: TERRI'S IN ISOLATION day 29 or 30.
26 posted on 04/28/2004 8:15:52 AM PDT by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org/ GOP HELP TERRI or Constitution Party Here I Come)
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To: Concerned
As the mother of a severely mentally and physically disabled 19 year old daughter who neither walks nor talks, and who wears diapers and cannot feed herself, and who LOVES going for rides in the school bus and car and is VERY loving, and who is VERY much wanted and LOVED (as is Terri Schiavo), I was just wondering...Since you seem to think one human should be lawfully able to decide when another human is worthwhile, just what should we do with YOU since you appear to have lost YOUR brain cells?
I made no attempt in my post to decide when a human is worthwhile or not. I just suggested that the Terri Schiavo that her friends and family knew and loved is no more.

I believe human beings are much more then just a lower brain steam that maintains heart and lungs activity. Without their consciousness, ability to be a free thinker to learn, to project a unique personality...to be able to intereact with the world around you....without this ability you are lifeless.

That doesn't mean one still cannot love that person, I still love many who are today dead and in the ground. I love the memories of when they were alive. But they are dead because they are no longer able to express themselves or their will among the living today....

27 posted on 04/28/2004 8:21:42 AM PDT by The Bandit
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To: floriduh voter
Maybe its really a NOW woman!!!
28 posted on 04/28/2004 8:25:19 AM PDT by lilypad
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To: floriduh voter
BTTT
29 posted on 04/28/2004 8:30:43 AM PDT by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org/ GOP HELP TERRI or Constitution Party Here I Come)
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To: The Bandit
This all sounds so good, as do most platitudes.
Fact: She is still living in spite of the husband who
apparently considers her a wad of annoying chewing
gum sticking to his shoe. With all due respect, YOU,
MR. SHIAVO, nor ANYONE ELSE knows what she is thinking
any more than anyone else knows what you are
thinking. Fact: She won't die until the Lord gets ready
for her. No matter how hard MS scrapes the bottom of his
shoe on the curb.
30 posted on 04/28/2004 8:44:34 AM PDT by Twinkie
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To: floriduh voter
Felos did not resign from the board when he met Michael. Felos was on the board of the Hospice between 1997 up to 2000 or 2001. I believe Michael was in touch with Felos, 3/14/1997.

Dear Senator King: April 24, 2004

What you try to preserve begs that you ask these questions of yourself,
EACH and EVERY DAY.

1. Can and did you bring a spoon to your own mouth yesterday?
If not, then you Senator King, before your own legacy is used on YOU,
must give yourself up to be MADE DEAD assisted by your own merchants of death compatriots.

[Attorney Felos told 2nd DCA that this was the litmus test as to whether it's
thumbs up or down for allowing a person to live or not. This is the advocating of Discriminating Life. Unlawful and illegal. Lives not worth living, so take it, they say.]

2. Did you feed yourself yesterday? Then you have Medically Treated yourself.

Due to your incompetency, malfeasance and abuse of the laws, your disregard for the Oath of Public Trust you swore to uphold and your willingness to act or omit in ways that are destroying the public's Constitutional and legal Right to Life,

the public-at-large is putting together actions to Petition the very same Judiciary you use to promote the "legal" causing deaths to:

Discontinue your medical treatment, your sustenance and hydration, because your quality of life suffers and you are now a burden on the PEOPLE of FLORIDA. We think it only fair that you experience what you wish to be allowed to be done to others.

We, as you all sell it to Floridians, will not be causing your death, assisting your death, or committing an act of euthanasia of mercy killing -- we will only be ALLOWING you to die with dignity. Then cremated quickly to get rid of any chance for your merchants to try and say your death was crime murder and not a legal civil murder.

Criminal Murder and Legal Civil Murder cannot exist together.

This notion of a Right to Die as already being constitutional law is a lie
to the public. The advocating of activities that suggest it is legal to
cause a person to die by act or omission is in fact criminal because it
is Conspiring to Commit Homicide.

It is the planning of making another person dead by whatever means or
omissions designed. If that VICTIM of this planning actually dies by
these PLANNED acts or omissions of their:

Constitutional Right to Life,
their 744.3215 Retained Rights as an Incapacitated Person,
their FS825 Rights to not be criminally denied food, nutrition, water,
and necessary medical services (your food and water defined as
medical treatment cannot be denied - by LAW), then,

All of these people have been Caused to be made Dead.

CAUSING A PERSONS DEATH = KILLING

KILLING A PERSON = MURDER

PLANNING AND CAUSING DEATH = PREMEDITATED MURDER

Instead of your Euthanasia from ever being in a situation of "Public Trust" through your insistent Felos de se (look it up), might your choice be early retirement.

But "do it" on land that is not in the United States of America, because you sir do not respect or protect the Laws of America.

If you are removed, you get no pension. Until we take that from you too.

Why don't your words come out of the front of your mouth? They just ooze from both sides. Millions of people seem to be launching on your reputation. Your reputation for being a person who actively pursues the destruction of our constitutional and state laws, so that the continuation of wholesale civil murder of elderly and disabled persons, including veterans, is in the public's cross-hairs.

Pay attention Senator King.

Your legacy is why YOU sir are on your way OUT.

The use of a hearsay lie, to effect your starvation and dehydration, while you are screaming but no one can understand you, because they want you dead, will be what "allows" others to MAKE you die with dignity.

This is Sincerely,

Your Public Wake Up Call.

Remember this Senator King:
If you go on a diet, to intentionally lose some weight, then you have chosen to deny yourself medical treatment. If you pass out during your dieting, then all Floridians will be able to Petition for the continuance of your expressed desire to be denied your medical treatment. Thanks to Judge Greer and all of the other "twenty Judges" lined up by George Felos for us. Why are you a conspirator to removing protections of YOUR rights, should you become vulnerable? Your recovery may be intentionally denied to justify your civil extermination as well.

To see the public record of evidence of Premeditation Murder planning
by Attorneys Felos and Bushnell of Theresa Marie Schiavo, then all you
must do is go to her guardianship file #90-2908-GD-3 and review the
Fee Petition Statement of Services for Debra Bushnell filed September
26th, 1996 in Volume 5 of Terri's Guardianship file.

Many other documents, the ignoring and denial of 744 Retained Rights, Federal laws that prohibit intentional starvation and dehydration all point to the Public's knowledge that YOU sir, are promoting her CAUSED Death. Why MUST she be made dead? You all have exposed yourselves as Subversive Merchants of Death.

This one document does not entirely illuminate the caper.

Doc Title: VERIFIED PETITION FOR ORDER AUTHORIZING PAYMENT OF
ATTORNEY FEES AND COSTS
FILED
Probate Court Clerk
SEP 26 11:39am '96
Case 90-2908-GD3

COMES NOW Petitioner, DEBORAH A. BUSHNELL.....

Statement entry:
12/13/1995 -- DAB Telephone Call to Attorney George Felos re assistance with analysis of life-prolonging procedures statute and Browning case:
DAB Legal research re life-sustaining procedures

Then in Attorney Felos' fee petition statement there is entry:
03/14/1997 -- Initial client conference ( Michael Schiavo )

Then by timeline:
04/14/1997 -- Petition to Hire Felos for action to Starve to Death by Discontinuance
of Terri's sustenance and hydration.
Petition should never have been accepted by court due to FS825 and
Federal laws which cite intentional starvation and denying of necessary
medical services is CRIMINAL.
05/14/1997 -- Judge Orders the hiring of Felos to help Michael and Bushnell KILL,
paid for with the Jury Awarded Funds for medical care and rehabilitation
that Michael "begged" for in January of 1993. Terri paying people to kill
her is an additional conflict of interest.
07/02/1997 -- Bucks County, Pennsylvania newspaper announcement of Michael
Schiavo and Jodi Centonze's engagement to be married. They now
felt carelessly confident that they had someone to effectively get rid
of his still married-to-wife, Theresa Marie Schiavo.
05/11/1998 -- Michael, Felos & Company file the Petition to Kill Terri in Civil Probate
Court by discontinuing feeding by tube. This Petition should never have
been accepted because of other laws that require education to swallow,
to have capacity increased (no time limit), her OWN counsel, and many
others like FS825.

At the time of the insult that is still not investigated -- no conclusion as what happened that early morning in their apartment -- Terri was getting ready to ask for a divorce. Michael was writing down car mileage, controlling and being abusive to Terri, then and NOW. There were no laws, as YOU know, that cited food and water to be medical treatment that a person could refuse, let alone be denied. That was not legal possible thinking by people then. The social thinking in our country is and always will be -- Feed Me, It's my Right!

Terri Schiavo's right to expedited due process and protection was albeit purposefully delayed until January of 2000, so that the laws could be changed through subversive's actions, to pass legislation that would seem to open the door for food and water to be declared medical treatment, that a person could deny of themselves.

But since Terri had no written advance directives and there could be NO clear and convincing evidence of her wishes, the creation and adoption by the Judge of hearsay statements, lies at best, that Terri in her early 20's said "No tubes for me" or that she expressed that she "would not want to live that way", had to be developed, and somehow found to be a legal ORAL advance directive. After the legislation was created, then this "oral" door was used to seemingly give the green light to this Judicial Homicide of a CONSCIOUS, self aware, cognitive and impaired, Incapacitated and with Retained Rights Ward, AWAITING her rightful therapies to INCREASE her capacity, using HER JURY AWARDED MONIES. FS744.446(4) prohibits use of ward's funds for other than intended. Remove the guardian.

Had Michael Schiavo the same court-sanctioned "recollections" THEN, of his wife's wishes to be made dead by denying food and water, such that she is assisted with their court ordered and sanctioned proclamation of her suicide, self-murder, ORAL "advance directives":

1. The jury would have never made the award, as Michael's pleas for enough money to facilitate his wedding vows and take care of her for the rest of the Jury's acceptance of a 51 year life expectancy, would have contradicted the Oral Advance Directives. This was perjury and fraud by Michael et al in that January 1993 trial.

2. Oral advance directives declared to be "Law of the Case" in the January 2000 trial were not even accepted by law prior to 1999.

Finally, the court order by Judge Greer to remove the feeding tube on October 15, 2003, was performed on October 15, 2003, -- That Order was Satisfied and the case of removing the feeding was CLOSED.

The fact that Terri Schiavo was then cast to the roadside, abandoned and left in a roadside ditch for dead, but with an army of Pinellas Park Police to guard her and prevent the public from helping her, is where YOU and all others who continue to effect her caused death have become CRIMINALLY complicit in Attempts to:

Kill her through FS825 1st Degree Felony Abuse, Neglect and Exploitation
Kill her through FS782 Aggravated Manslaughter of an Elderly or Disabled Adult
Criminally deny by intentional FS825 abuse and neglect her FS744 Retained Rights

The "guarding" is actually *FS825 CAGING* and kidnapping this "vulnerable adult" by FS415 definition, such as to continue the abuse, neglect and exploitation and demands that she be removed from this worst example of a "Florida Guardian", and the self motives and gains agenda of "Causing Death Expert" [murderer] George J. Felos.

If you do not act now, the information about YOU, Senator King and your promotion and advocacy of laws that allow non-criminal killing of vulnerable persons, to create a state that will not hesitate to ASSIST with making you dead, information that is already producing letters of boycott of Florida as a place to visit, vacation or move to, will continue to grow and put you in Jail with the rest of the Treasonist Subversives that are destroying the Constitution right to life and to not be MADE DEAD at the hands of another. Millions are monitoring for a response.

Don't find yourself vulnerable, because the public WILL rush to petition to *allow* you to die with your "legacy" cremated with you.

Take stock of the whole picture and the ways for all, including you, that ye make.

Do not forget the evidence of nearly 13 bone fractures that Terri's rehabilitation doctors discovered in March of 1991, that indicate by forensic review by nationally prominent expert pathologists the date of insult to be around the January 1990 time that Terri went down. The Guardian's course of action was to cover up and not investigate what happened to his Ward. The documented successes in vocalization, swallowing and physical therapy at that time were abruptly stopped by the Guardian. Terri was removed from receiving ANY therapies to increase her capacity which is required by law of a guardian, and must be exhibited in the Guardian Plan and approved by a Judge. In July of 1991, Michael Schiavo the guardian, committed his wife to a long term care facility with orders for NO THERAPY of any kind. In order to cover up and keep the lid on the reason for the fractures, Michael has had to prevent all diagnostic evaluations for any kind of therapies, sought affidavits of "no need", and maintained years of sensory deprivation oriented days and nights for his wife, so that she does not get any better.

Michael, et al, do not want Terri to ever be able to tell anyone what happened to her, that night in 1990. Save our state. The truth is good. What we have all been trying to tell you and others,is that you all SHOULD quit obstructing justice and allow, better yet, initiate a full and widely objective criminal investigation, that starts from the early morning hours of the original incident, that left her brain damaged and with 13 bone fractures as if beaten up, thrown down stairs or ran over by a car.
To include a look at the entire timeline of this "case", which has never been chronological fully investigated, is a proper investigation. Anything less is malfeasance and cupable negligence. Sadly, many have tried to do their jobs and reported what they professionally see, only to be set aside by Judge Greer and other malfeasance Judges.
A full review of the acts and omissions over the entire time here has produced conclusions of many dozens of serious crimes, by 1000s of people who have been reviewing some 50,000+ pages of documents. Everyone monitoring YOUR malfeasance can match each and every one of the acts and omissions in this case to criminal statutes. Even ones for you and others.

Michael has broken so many laws, denies and ignores every one of his ward's 744.3215 Retained Rights, such that ANY other Guardian in the state of Florida would have been removed as guardian long ago. And would already be serving his sentence in Stark for:

Attempted Murder in 1990
FS825 Abuse, Neglect and Exploitation begin in 1991
Perjury in 1993
Criminal Abuse and Neglect as a Guardian
Fiduciary Crimes the entire Guardianship
Attempted Murder 1993
Planning to Commit Murder in 1997 with Felos
Deposition admission of open adultery in 1993
National television admission of adultery and children by same in 2003
Concealing and denying proper accounting of ward's assets -- Exploitation 7/2002
Conspiracy to illegally admit to Hospice a non-terminal person
Violation of CFR42, part VI, Chapter 138 Assisted Suicide Funding Restriction
Two Counts of Felony 1 Aggravated Abuse and Neglect by denying food and water after the feeding tube removed.
And on and on...

But you and others insist on obstructing justice, committing criminal acts and omissions yourselves, buying litigation for the people of the state of Florida by you'alls assisting with the FS876 Subversive Right-to-Die Organizations obsessive need for THEIR postergirl, Theresa Marie Schiavo, to be MADE DEAD, so that their continued destruction of the Constitution by putting holes in the INALIENABLE Right to Life, of which breathable air, food and water all inclusiively being necessary for life are included by default as inalienable. That which cannot be given or taken away. Either you are a subversive with them, or you are a Trusted Public Oficial who will OBEY us, your employers, to stop playing with this womans life, and all the rest around this state who were Murdered (allowed to die, assisted by someone or something that killed them) while WE all just talk about this. Your real legacy begins right here, from this day forward. [period]

At present, YOU are on the side of these Merchants of Death. Your Corruption is Killing Floridians, Tourists and potential new residents. You too are a subversive pursuant to FS876.22 thru 876.31 sir and scheduled for dismantling as unlawful acting against the state of Florida and it's People. The public-at-large is working to see that your red pigeon roosts in your lap and leaves the herring it ate. The deposit is permanent and will be your true legacy.

Each passing day of the Criminal Victimization of Terri Schiavo is another day of charges to bring upon you and all the perpetrators. Ever hear of citizens arrest. The tyranny and games you and others play with lives of vulnerable persons in this state WILL come to an end by the public's actions to redress. You work for us. Lest ye be JAILED, not just retired.

Signed:
One With Many of Your Employers, a Florida Voter
April 22, 2004

CC: Everyone Everywhere.

Pay Attention James!
Before Judge Greer's ruling that a Conscious person was unconscious to allow declaration of PVS illegally, during case management hearing many months before the October 2002 Evidentiary hearing, Judge Greer biasedly and prejudicially exclaimed in an open hearing that "the Law of the case is that she is going to DIE" and in another he hollered, " I don't want anybody feeding that woman."

Can you say -- Premeditated Judicial Murder.

You better. Saving Terri Schiavo and the many we specifically know that are being caused to die DAILY around this state and country, under the radar, and not through guardianship action to discontinue food and water -- IS YOUR TASK under orders of your employers -- We The People of the state of Florida.

No intentional hastening of a person to be made dead, just because the system is in place, and the temptation is too easy; because these daily killings are not being reported or prosecuted as a result of the SUBVERSIVE teaching of medical personnel and the public that these CRIMES are not crimes at all. They teach the LAW incorrectly; That causing death is merely "allowing a person to die with dignity".

With this rational, why is the woman who starved her 29 year old, disabled brother, now being charged with MURDER? Why isn't the ACLU pitching for her like they are for the openly adulterous Michael Schiavo who is still just attempting to murder his disabled wife Terri, with YOUR assistance.

You have been quoted as saying, "I am sick a tired of hearing about Terri this and Terri that", and are deleting emails from Floridians and others around the country and globe. If sick now, more is certain, so you better by Tums, underwear and antibotics for where you're going.

Because of FS825 and other laws, the discontinuance of food, water and necessary medical treatment is illegal, unlawful and unconstitutional to perpetrate or to file petition in court for permission to do.

Yikes! Next we will have people filing in court to cause a persons death because that person is burden of some kind, any kind, to the petitioner. The evil is endless. We could even see those who have been convicted in the criminal courts for manslaughter or murder petitioning for aquittal because if causing a person to die can be civilly permitted it shoud not be criminal.
31 posted on 04/28/2004 9:19:15 AM PDT by pc93
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To: Dante3
For the edification of folks on this particular thread here is the chart of what Michael says happened that night:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1120621/posts?page=261#261

If anyone examines this chart and doesn't see Michael dissembling and making things up as he goes along, etc. they are not very intelligent. Also Michael can't get his facts straight regarding whether Terri was on her face or not.. problem is that she was found by the paramedics face down so him cradling/rocking her in his arms is a lie (or maybe it's not a lie.. maybe he did rock her in his arms before she collapsed!).. no one in their right mind would have put her back down on her face.. plus he says he turned her over, etc. she would have been found on her back not her face. Michael is a liar and a person who continues to attempt murder on Terri and has even gotten the state to take part in this attempted murder.. and it is time that it is brought to a complete stop! Everyone who has a conscience must do something to put pressure to bear on government officials, etc. on up to the President of the United States to bring this madness to a halt. All aspects of the law need to be brought against him, possibly including physical force and restraint, jailing, etc. to get him out of Terri's life and to keep him out of Terri's life for good. Bottom line.
32 posted on 04/28/2004 9:37:37 AM PDT by pc93
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To: pc93
Police report:

http://bellsouthpwp.net/p/c/pc93/POLICE%20REPORT%2002%2025%2090%20Terri%20Schiavo%20Collapse.TXT
33 posted on 04/28/2004 9:44:18 AM PDT by pc93
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To: pc93
Sent this morning to key Florida senators (some of whom delete the e-mails without reading them) media outlets and others:

Subject: Terri's 30th day of forced isolation from parents, siblings, priest due to a possible "non-existent" investigation Fw: terri collapse police report

This is Terri's 30th day of forced isolation from her parents, siblings,
priest, those who love her and her 1479th day confined to just a single
small room by Hospice of the Florida Suncoast (give or take a few days
of having to be in the hospital from neglect and almost being
dehydrated/starved to death). Terri is denied any range of motion
therapy or any kind of therapies that could make her better. Terri is not
terminal yet Michael Schiavo is trying hard to make it so. The evidence
cannot be denied. The question is WHAT ARE YOU AND YOUR
FEDERAL AND STATE GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS DOING ABOUT
BRINGING THE PERPETRATORS TO JUSTICE?

Please don't wait until it's too late.

____

Snippet from CNN trasnscript Michael / Felos on Larry King

http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0310/27/lkl.00.html

KING: Has this affected your faith?

SCHIAVO: No. I still believe god's watching over Terri, and some day she'll
be home (ed.. read: dead!.. think about it!!!).

---

Dr. Kevorkian 2 speaks -> FELOS: Well, the thing about these cases, Larry, is -- I think Michael
mentioned before -- this is a death adverse society. Death is one of the
last taboo subjects. We don't like to talk about it. We don't like to
contemplate our own death. And watching somebody else die, like Terri
Schiavo, makes people very uncomfortable.


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KING: Michael, if you eventually lose in the courts, do you have plans?

SCHIAVO: I'll continue to take care of Terri.

KING: You just will abide by that and continue to take care of Terri?

SCHIAVO: Yes. (ed .. here is what Michael is really saying: I will continue in my attempts to kill Terri.)


----- Original Message -----
From: Life4terri@aol.com
To: pc93@bellsouth.net
Sent: Monday, April 26, 2004 1:07 PM
Subject: Re: terri collapse police report


In a message dated 4/26/2004 12:57:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, pc93@bellsouth.net writes:

The call for assistance was from the paramedics to the police department. The call for assistance occurred 5:40am.(from Paramedics)
Police were dispatched at 6:11am and arrived at 6:33am.

This was not when the paramedics arrived. It would be helpful to know when the paramedics arrived. (supposedly MIchael said this occured in the deposition at 5:00 am...I will assume paramedics arrived around 5:20 am....those records are sealed) <-the records might not exist anymore.

In regards to inconsistencies though paramedics said found her face down ( Michael said she collapsed ON HER BACK...he rocked her and rolled her over...which means he rolled her onto her stomache the way the paramedics found her. I dont believe it. Most collapse are front forward and I believe the way she was found is the way she fell. Also, MS said he was rocking her (i'm sure he rocked her alright.. before she was found face down by the paramedics.. oh but the cats could have jumped over her.. he doesn't know but it's possible... go figure) when her brother came in. NOT TRUE. Her brother said he was on the couch and she was face down. Bobby (brother) story matches paramedics. FACE DOWN. ALso...he said he called 911 in deposition. NOT TRUE. He called Bob Schindler (dad) and Mr. Schindler screamed 3 times for him to hang up and call 911. Bob Schindler THEN called his son Bobby who lived in same apartment and told him to get over there now!....MS lied in deposition and said HE called Bobby to come over. )

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CNN trasnscript Michael / Felos on Larry King

http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0310/27/lkl.00.html

Re: Michael and Felos: The words of madmen, and I have no qualms in saying
about Michael Schiavo / Felos / Bushnell / Greer / etc. -> attempted
murdererers. Will you be complicit too in not stopping these madmen?:

---

KING: Is that wrong?

SCHIAVO: Yes. Terri's had perfect care. She just had her teeth cleaned three
months ago. And to touch on the gynecological, the gynecologists that took
care of her told me -- and I'm only following what doctors tell me to do --
because it's so hard -- and I'm sorry to be so explicit -- to open her legs.
She doesn't open them like you and I would at a gynecological examine.

KING: You to pry them apart?

SCHIAVO: Yes.

KING: So it's hard to do a gynecological exam?

SCHIAVO: Right. Right. So unless there's blood, or if there's foul
smelling -- I'm sorry to be so explicit, but that's what it's all about.
(ed. this from someone who wants to preserve Terri's right to privacy -> on
national television!!!)

---

FELOS: She's not brain dead, but she has no consciousness, she has no
thought, she has no cognition, she can't -- she has no awareness (ed. must
be why Michael in the depos says that she can feel pain... no that can't be
awareness.. no.. can't be... you have to have consciousness to feel pain!)

---

KING: I didn't think that Terri fit the terminal concept. I thought cancer
means, you know they have a few months to live.

SCHIAVO: Persistent vegetative state in the state of Florida is considered
terminal. (ed: must be why you put VEGETATIVE on the original paperwork back
in 91 eh Michael? and continued with your malpractice lawsuit giving the
impression that you were going to help Terri [no expression that she would
want to die then eh Michael?])

---

SCHIAVO: Removing somebody's feeding is very painless. It is a very easy way
to die. Probably the second better way to die, being the first being an
aneurysm.

---

KING: Are the parents lying or wishful thinking?

SCHIAVO: I just think they're grasping at straws. I think they're being fed
information that...

KING: And what, Michael, is their motive?

SCHIAVO: What their motive is?

KING: In order to keep their daughter alive. They don't have a motive, do
they?

SCHIAVO: Probably just to make my life hell, I guess.

---

FELOS: We asked the judge not to release the four hours of videotapes. The
last thing in the world Terri would have wanted is to have people see her in
her -- in this condition.

SCHIAVO: Can you imagine? In this condition, everybody sitting looking at
her?

---

KING: Has this affected your faith?

SCHIAVO: No. I still believe god's watching over Terri, and some day she'll
be home (ed.. read: dead!.. think about it!!!).

---

FELOS: Well, the thing about these cases, Larry, is -- I think Michael
mentioned before -- this is a death adverse society. Death is one of the
last taboo subjects. We don't like to talk about it. We don't like to
contemplate our own death. And watching somebody else die, like Terri
Schiavo, makes people very uncomfortable.

---

KING: Would you divorce her so you could marry the mother of her child? (ed:
two children)

SCHIAVO: We have no plans right now to be married. (ed. must be why she was
listed as his fiancee up in PA) We're content the way we are.

--

KING: Michael, if you eventually lose in the courts, do you have plans?

SCHIAVO: I'll continue to take care of Terri.

KING: You just will abide by that and continue to take care of Terri?

SCHIAVO: Yes. (ed .. here is what Michael is really saying: I will continue in my attempts to kill Terri.)
---

Read these depos and ask yourself if this is the actions of a loving
husband. Of course at first he makes it seem like he did all these great
things for Terri (just to win the money) and how much he loves her (to put
on the appearance that he wants her to live, etc.) then over time you will
see the real Michael, the one who says Terri just moans (although we have
seen her laugh and have proof on video of her laughing) and that she can't
be rehabilitated (an utter lie) and said she wants to die (contrary to
medical malpractice lawsuits, etc.) He can't even get the facts straight of
what happened that night and his testimony is highly suspect when all the
facts are gathered. Felos/Bushnell had been planning for years the removal
of Terri's feeding tube before she even was in Hospice of the Florida
Suncoast. I could go on. Time to do something about this folks before
Terri's life is extinguished by this madman.
34 posted on 04/28/2004 9:50:11 AM PDT by pc93
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35 posted on 04/28/2004 9:51:58 AM PDT by pc93
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To: pc93
I don't understand why he doesn't want to turn her over to her parents. Disgusting.
36 posted on 04/28/2004 9:53:13 AM PDT by cyborg
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To: cyn
See post 3. This is why.
37 posted on 04/28/2004 10:07:05 AM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: The Bandit
Not to argue your point, but until and unless we truly understand the human brain and what its capabilities are, I don't think any of us retain a right to forcibly end a life.

Please read: http://www.alternativescience.com/no_brainer.htm

We have so much more to discover about the human consciousness and human potential that we probably shouldn't be counting people out if their only physical dependency is assisted sustenance.

Please just read and give it a think.
38 posted on 04/28/2004 10:14:09 AM PDT by phenn (http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: TaxRelief
spell button? thanks I had never that before either.
wow. this could be hugh
39 posted on 04/28/2004 10:46:04 AM PDT by Future Useless Eater (FreedomLoving_Engineer)
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sheesh... now if only we had a 'grammer' button or
'edit' button
40 posted on 04/28/2004 10:55:04 AM PDT by Future Useless Eater (FreedomLoving_Engineer)
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