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SHOCKING PICTURES SHOW HOW SOLDIERS TREATED IRAQI PRISONERS IN SADDAM'S JAIL
Drudge Report ^ | Apr 30, 2004 | UK DAILY MAIL

Posted on 04/30/2004 7:17:36 AM PDT by ZULU

TORTURED, ABUSED AND HUMILIATED - SHOCKING PICTURES SHOW HOW SOLDIERS TREATED IRAQI PRISONERS IN SADDAM'S JAIL Fri Apr 30, 2004 UK DAILY MAIL

FOR decades, Saddam Hussein's infamous Abu Ghraib dungeon was the scene of unspeakable cruelty against Iraqi prisoners.

Now the Americans are in charge - but the torture has continued.

Photographs have emerged showing Iraqis being sexually abused and bullied by their U.S. captors.

One, shown on Page One, depicts a hooded prisoner standing on a box with wires attached to his hands. He was wrongly given to believe that if he fell off the box he would be electrocuted.

The sickening pictures, shown across the U. S. on the CBS network, have outraged Americans and are expected to redouble the fury of Iraqis already pursuing a relentless campaign of death and destruction against the occupying forces, ten more of whom died yesterday. In the words of one leading Marine: 'We'll be paid back for this.'

Screened on the authoritative 60 Minutes news programme, the photograpsh showed male and female soldiers laughing, pointing and giving the thumbs-up sign as they humiliated the PoWs.

The sickening snaps, including shots where jeering soldiers pose next to their helpless and, in many cases, naked prisoners, were taken as trophies - souvenirs to show their friends and family back home.

They came to light only when one of the men involved gave a photo to a soldier from another unit, who was so shocked he took it to his commanders.

Television chiefs said they obtained 12 pictures, but said the army had confiscated 'many, many more'. One shows naked Iraqi prisoners stacked in a human pyramid, with a slur written in English on the skin of one.

Others handed to military investigators show naked Iraqis forced to simulate sex acts, a detainee with wires attached to his genitals and a prisoner attacked by a dog.

The photographs were all taken late last year at Abu Ghraib, where U.S. troops were guarding hundreds of prisoners captured during the Iraqi invasion.

They led to criminal charges against six military policemen who are being court martialled for allegedly abusing about 20 Iraqis.

In addition the military has recommended disciplinary action against seven U.S. officers who helped run the prison, including Brigadier General Janis Karpinski, the commander of the 800 Military Police Brigade, who has been suspended from duty.

Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt said last night in Baghdad that the investigation began in January when an American soldier reported the abuse and turned over evidence that included photographs.

'That soldier said, "There are some things going on here that I can't live with".'

Kimmitt said he was 'appalled' at the photographs. 'These are our fellow soldiers, these are the people we work with every day, they represent us, they wear the same uniform as us, and they let their fellow soldiers down.

'If we can't hold ourselves up as an example of how to treat people with dignity and respect, we can't ask that other nations do that to our soldiers,' he told CBS.

One of those facing court martial is Army Reserve Staff Sgt. Chip Frederick. He is charged with maltreatment, assault and indecent acts, striking detainees and ordering detainees to strike each other.

Interviewed by telephone on the 60 Minutes programme, he said he would plead not guilty and added: 'We had no support, no training whatsoever, and I kept asking my chain of command for certain things, rules and regulations, and it just wasn't happening.'

60 Minutes also quoted, however, from an e-mail which Frederick reportedly sent to his family, in which he said of Iraqi prisoners: 'We've had a very high rate with our styles of getting them to break; they usually end up breaking within hours.' Kimmitt insisted only a small minority of soldiers were responsible for the abuse.

'Frankly, I think all of us are disappointed by the actions of the few,' he said. 'Every day we love our soldiers but frankly, some days we're not always proud of our soldiers. It's a small, small minority of people we're talking about here, less than a dozen out of the 150,000 who are serving honourably and proudly over here.

'We live by our values. Some of our soldiers every day die by our values and these acts that you see in these pictures may reflect the actions of individuals but by God it doesn't reflect my army.'

The Baghdad prison scandal is disturbingly reminiscent of how the Americans' cruel treatment of prisoners was revealed at Camp X-Ray in Cuba following the Afghanistan conflict by photos showing the hooded captives chained like animals in open-air cages. They were also paraded in orange jump-suits. With the reasons for invading Iraq under increasing scrutiny, this will cause further damage to America's attempts to persuade the rest of the world it was in the right.

Former Marine Lieutenant Colonel Bill Cowan said: "We went into Iraq to stop things like this from happening and here they are happening under our tutelage.

'We will be paid back for this. These people at some point will be let out. Their families, their friends are going to know.

'If we don't tell this story, these kinds of things will continue, and we'll end up getting paid back 100 or 1,000 times over.'

CBS executives received an appeal from the chairman of the military Joint Chiefs of Staff, General Richard Myers, two weeks ago to hold the story because of the dangers of a backlash against soldiers in Iraq from outraged insurgents.

But it was agreed for the photos to be shown this week because other news outlets had obtained similar pictures.

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To: Howlin
I dunno - what is the deal with the prisoners?

Were they guards at this prison? If so, there was precedent for that, too. Look what happened to the folks our troops found guarding the concenrtration camps... not saying I condone it, but it was very understandable under those circumstances.
21 posted on 04/30/2004 7:37:25 AM PDT by hchutch (Tommy Thompson's ephedra ban STINKS.)
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To: meenie
I bet you had a problem with what Colonel West did, too?
22 posted on 04/30/2004 7:37:32 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it.)
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To: meenie
".....commander was relieved of his duties."


Agree this crap cannot be ignored, however, I think the commander is a "SHE".
23 posted on 04/30/2004 7:37:39 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Just mythoughts
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/nationworld/iraq/bal-te.md.soldier30apr30,0,160127.story?coll=bal-home-headlines

That might answer some of your questions. Staff Sgt. Fredrick is from Western Maryland.
24 posted on 04/30/2004 7:37:43 AM PDT by CollegeRepublican (SWM, Seeking a funny, attractive, tag line; not afraid to experiment.)
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To: Happy2BMe
Sorry. I plugger in the name of the prison in the article into the search engine under "keyword" and nothing popped out.

25 posted on 04/30/2004 7:39:17 AM PDT by ZULU
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To: ZULU
These soldiers should be prosecuted to the max. They have done more damage to the military than any munition. The Commanding General (a woman) should resign immediately or be court-martialed. The photographs are absolutely disgusting! We cannot claim to be the civilized Western World and then have soldier mistreating or torturing prisoners of war.
26 posted on 04/30/2004 7:40:10 AM PDT by CWW (Bushbot and luv'in it!)
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To: ZULU
this not just a case of some wacko liberal paper conjuring up nonsense.

You're right...is SEVERAL whacko liberal entities. Now I feel better.

Hold off on your condemnation until all the facts come out from sources other than UK & Arab papers, hmmm?

27 posted on 04/30/2004 7:40:10 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it.)
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To: Puppage
I bet you had a problem with what Colonel West did, too?

Cut the moral equivalence BS. Colonel West was a professional doing what had to be done to save the lives of his men.

These amateurs were sinking to the level of the enemy for their own amusement and in the process making it more dangerous for the professional ground pounders.

Wake up man.

28 posted on 04/30/2004 7:40:23 AM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: Old Sarge
Even if you believe every word I have a hard time designating this as TORTURE!
29 posted on 04/30/2004 7:41:05 AM PDT by OldFriend (Always understand, even if you remain among the few)
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To: rj45mis
"This is not to condone their actions, but when people are trying to kill you, you lose your sanctity of life convictions in a hurry. "

These 'troops' seem like REMFs who were never on the front line getting killed.

30 posted on 04/30/2004 7:41:44 AM PDT by ex-snook (Neocon Chickenhawk for War like Liberal Cuckoo for Welfare. Both freeload.)
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To: ZULU
You didn't dupe.

Hope this thread stays civil.

Best,

H2BMe

31 posted on 04/30/2004 7:42:01 AM PDT by Happy2BMe (U.S.A. - - United We Stand - - Divided We Fall - - Support Our Troops - - Vote BUSH)
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To: hchutch
What our folks did at the concentration camps was to blow away the NAZI perverts who were running them - no problem there at all. We should have done the same to Saddam's perverts.

I don't think you the get the point here.

Honor, Duty, Country.

These fools and perverts in that prison masquerading as American soldiers disgraced our Nation, our flag, their uniform and the service.

We are NOT NAZIs, Fascists, Communists and Saddamite Iraqis.
32 posted on 04/30/2004 7:42:25 AM PDT by ZULU
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To: Puppage
Get your head out of your 4th point of contact -- Gen. Kimmett (the Commanding General) has already authenticated the photgraphs. They are not propaganda, although the Arab press will now use them as Propaganda.
33 posted on 04/30/2004 7:43:01 AM PDT by CWW (Bushbot and luv'in it!)
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To: Puppage
so, you see equivalence between a man making an on-the-spot combat decision which saved the lives of his men about to go on patrol... and this???

34 posted on 04/30/2004 7:44:00 AM PDT by CGVet58 (God has granted us liberty, and we owe Him courage in return)
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To: ZULU
What you wanna bet those US who did these things were pub ed schooled?
35 posted on 04/30/2004 7:44:01 AM PDT by Alia (California -- It's Groovy! Baby!)
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To: Eurotwit
Please tell me, how recognizing an anti-US slanted Britcom like this article for what it really is, is like putting my head in a hole.

This thing might as well be an Amnesty Int'l press release - notice how they weave the disproved Gitmo protests into it, as well.

I don't trust the Euro-media, and neither should you.
36 posted on 04/30/2004 7:44:20 AM PDT by Old Sarge
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To: CollegeRepublican
Thanks. Humans at their base seem to be the same...., ignorance is no excuse for what these pictures show.
37 posted on 04/30/2004 7:45:58 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: ZULU
"If you don't get it, I can't explain it to you."

Actually, I do get it. As I said, I am not condoning their actions, but I do understand them. Obviously, you have nothing more productive to do than to ruminate on an issue that you can't come to grips with.
38 posted on 04/30/2004 7:46:04 AM PDT by rj45mis
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To: Howlin
Yesterday Frederick said he would deny abuse, claiming he was not shown Geneva Convention rules on how to treat captives.

What rock did they live under that they didn't know the rules?

39 posted on 04/30/2004 7:46:06 AM PDT by Mo1 (Make Michael Moore cry.... DONATE MONTHLY!!!)
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To: CollegeRepublican
The problem is we don't teach honor, respect or duty in our school systems, we don't expect it from our children, we have forgotten the God Who made us great.

America must have its sould and morality restored, and the demons who sit in our courtrooms and remove prayer and the Ten Commandments and God from our public life are responsible for all of this as much as anyone else.

Duty, Honor, Country has been replaced by "If it feels good, do it."
40 posted on 04/30/2004 7:47:05 AM PDT by ZULU
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