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DEA agent shoots self during gun safety class for Orlando kids
The Miami Herald ^ | Fri, Apr. 30, 2004 | Associated Press

Posted on 04/30/2004 9:56:12 AM PDT by archy

DEA agent shoots self during gun safety class for Orlando kids

Associated Press

ORLANDO, Fla. - A federal drug agent shot himself in the leg during a gun safety presentation to children and his bosses are investigating.

The Drug Enforcement Administration agent, whose name was not released, was giving a gun safety presentation to about 50 adults and students organized by the Orlando Minority Youth Golf Association, witnesses and police said.

He drew his .40-caliber duty weapon and removed the magazine, according to the police report. Then he pulled back the slide and asked someone in the audience to look inside the gun and confirm it wasn't loaded, the report said.

Witnesses said the gun was pointed at the floor and when he released the slide, one shot fired into the top of his left thigh.

"The kids screamed and started to cry," said Vivian Farmer, who attended the presentation with her 13-year-old nephew.

"Everyone was pretty shaken up," Farmer said. "But the point of gun safety hit home. Unfortunately, the agent had to get shot. But after seeing that, my nephew doesn't want to have anything to do with guns."

The agent was treated at Orlando Regional Medical Center after the April 9 shooting and returned to work, DEA special agent Joe Kilmer said.

Police ruled the shooting was an accident, but the DEA headquarters in Washington was still investigating, Kilmer said.


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Let's see what Dave Barry eventually has to say about this one....
1 posted on 04/30/2004 9:56:15 AM PDT by archy
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To: archy
I hope he had the decency to kick in his own door first.
2 posted on 04/30/2004 9:57:24 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: archy
Florida! what else can one say?
3 posted on 04/30/2004 9:58:15 AM PDT by camle (keep your mind open and somebody will fill it with something for you))
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To: archy
Wow, what a great demonstration that a weapon should ALWAYS be considered loaded! I'll bet that is one class the kids wont forget!
4 posted on 04/30/2004 9:58:27 AM PDT by taxcontrol (People are entitled to their opinion - no matter how wrong it is.)
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To: archy
Uh-oh. The guy broke the first rule here. It's just a fortunate thing that it was his own thigh that got hit and not some kid's.

Dumba$$
5 posted on 04/30/2004 9:58:36 AM PDT by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: archy
"He drew his .40-caliber duty weapon and removed the magazine, according to the police report. Then he pulled back the slide and asked someone in the audience to look inside the gun and confirm it wasn't loaded, the report said. "

Something isn't adding up, I bet he forgot to take the mag out first.
6 posted on 04/30/2004 10:00:05 AM PDT by Monty22
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To: archy
When my dad was in basic training the Drill Sgt. put an M-14 up to his chin to prove that it didn't have much of a recoil. He had done it several times before but this time he broke his jaw.
7 posted on 04/30/2004 10:00:27 AM PDT by biblewonk (Horatius Bonar)
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To: archy
He drew his .40-caliber duty weapon and removed the magazine, according to the police report. Then he pulled back the slide and asked someone in the audience to look inside the gun and confirm it wasn't loaded, the report said.

Witnesses said the gun was pointed at the floor and when he released the slide, one shot fired into the top of his left thigh.

Something here does NOT make sense.

If he did both (remove the mag. & pull back the slide) why was there still a round in the gun?

8 posted on 04/30/2004 10:00:40 AM PDT by OXENinFLA (To me, it is a never ending marvel what our soldiers can do. ----------- PATTON)
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To: archy
" But after seeing that, my nephew doesn't want to have anything to do with guns."

And another Leftist is born.

I nominate this agent for The Darwin Award.

9 posted on 04/30/2004 10:00:50 AM PDT by Old Sarge
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To: archy
Do DEA agents have to undergo drug tests like the rest of us?

10 posted on 04/30/2004 10:01:04 AM PDT by swarthyguy
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To: archy
Releasing the slide is not what made the gun fire. The ole finger on the trigger routine was at work here.
11 posted on 04/30/2004 10:01:09 AM PDT by umgud (speaking strictly as an infidel,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,)
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To: archy
WANTED: The Drug Enforcement Administration needs more agents. Competitive pay, good benefits, full medical. Job responsibilities include: DEA work, giving gun safety courses and demonstrating ballastics of mishandling a loaded weapon. Please call (800)DUM-SH*T for prompt consideration. HS Diploma optional.
12 posted on 04/30/2004 10:01:24 AM PDT by Hodar (With Rights, comes Responsibilities. Don't assume one, without assuming the other.)
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To: archy
the gun was pointed at the floor and when he released the slide, one shot fired into the top of his left thigh

I pointed the gun at the floor before I pointed it at my thigh.

13 posted on 04/30/2004 10:01:44 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (You can see it coming like a train on a track.)
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To: Monty22
The biggest question ....

What the HELL was he doing bringing in a LOADED Gun into a school??


14 posted on 04/30/2004 10:01:53 AM PDT by steplock (http://www.gohotsprings.com)
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To: archy
Witnesses said the gun was pointed at the floor and when he released the slide, one shot fired into the top of his left thigh.

"The kids screamed and started to cry," said Vivian Farmer, who attended the presentation with her 13-year-old nephew.

I’m a really bad person, but I think the whole scene would have left me hysterically rolling on the floor. The bloody leg, the profanities, the screaming kids, the gun safety aspect.

That’s why my wife has to take my kids to “serious” events.

15 posted on 04/30/2004 10:02:12 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: Joe Brower; Shooter 2.5; Travis McGee; Eaker; *bang_list; hookman
Nixon really gave us a gem when he handed us the DEA. They've had at least one agent I'm aware of killed by his own negligent firearms handling, though they're unfortunately not the worst in the federal galaxy.
16 posted on 04/30/2004 10:02:40 AM PDT by archy (The darkness will come. It will find you,and it will scare you like you've never been scared before.)
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To: archy
Folks, We have a 2004 Darwin award winner.

With due respect, my sympathies to the families of the officer and the children. He might very well have been a good man... in the wrong job.

17 posted on 04/30/2004 10:02:55 AM PDT by Mr.Atos
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To: archy
This is about as bad as the cop leaving his AR-15 on the side of the road after forgetting to put it back after changing a tire.
18 posted on 04/30/2004 10:03:11 AM PDT by OXENinFLA (To me, it is a never ending marvel what our soldiers can do. ----------- PATTON)
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To: Monty22
I'm a total ignoramus about guns (only ever been shooting once, and that was with a friend's .38 revolver), so help me here...if he removed the magazine and pulled back the slide, shouldn't that have cleared the round that would've been chambered? And is it normal for the gun to go off if he let the slide go back forward too quickly?

And I am still allowed on FR if I don't know the answers to these questions already? :)

}:-)4
19 posted on 04/30/2004 10:03:35 AM PDT by Moose4 (Those who serve--thank you. May you find us worthy of the sacrifices you make.)
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To: archy
>Police ruled the shooting was an accident, but the DEA headquarters in Washington was still investigating, Kilmer said.

The bullet really
was fired from a grassy knoll
outside the class room . . .

20 posted on 04/30/2004 10:03:44 AM PDT by theFIRMbss
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To: archy
"Everyone was pretty shaken up," Farmer said. "But the point of gun safety hit home. Unfortunately, the agent had to get shot. But after seeing that, my nephew doesn't want to have anything to do with guns."

That probably IS the goal of such "gun safety" classes.

21 posted on 04/30/2004 10:03:57 AM PDT by Sloth (We cannot defeat foreign enemies of the Constitution if we yield to the domestic ones.)
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To: archy

22 posted on 04/30/2004 10:05:04 AM PDT by BulletBobCo
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To: archy
Note to Self:

When organizing a Firearms Safty Class, make the sure the instructor knows what he is doing.
23 posted on 04/30/2004 10:05:24 AM PDT by GreenLanternCorps (Hit Tagline, Win Suit - Abe Stark)
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To: dead
I hope he had the decency to kick in his own door first.

now thats funny :)
24 posted on 04/30/2004 10:05:25 AM PDT by KOZ. (i'm so bad i should be in detention)
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To: Mr.Atos
Note to self:

Don't sample stuff in the evidence locker before important events.
25 posted on 04/30/2004 10:05:28 AM PDT by EEDUDE (Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.)
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To: archy; *bang_list; Cap'n Crunch; big ern; B4Ranch
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAH !!!........ Alphabet agency asshole trying to teach in alphabet atmosphere......LMAO !!

Stay safe !

26 posted on 04/30/2004 10:05:49 AM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: archy
"Hey kids, watch this ..."
27 posted on 04/30/2004 10:06:05 AM PDT by TexasRepublic (Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition!)
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To: umgud
Not only that, but if I were going into a class-type situation, I would have checked my weapon at least twice BEFORE going in to be sure it wasn't loaded! And what was he thinking by putting the barrel anywhere near his own body while checking.
28 posted on 04/30/2004 10:06:11 AM PDT by no more apples
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To: dead
I know. This is one of those situations that shouldn't be funny, but is.

Upper thigh? That was dangerously close to being a real tragedy.
29 posted on 04/30/2004 10:06:57 AM PDT by RichInOC ("Why do all you guys sit on your helmets?" "So we don't get our ... blown off.")
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To: archy
one shot fired into the top of his left thigh

A good opportunity for the children to utilize first aid training.

30 posted on 04/30/2004 10:07:25 AM PDT by csvset
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To: archy
Maybe this agent needs to be under the "Barney Fife" rule -

A revolver - and only one bullet allowed - and he must keep that in his shirt pocket until authorized to put it in they cylinder.


Seriously though - what particular firearm was this? IF he removed the magazine first, then jacked the slide - the bullet in the chamber SHOULD have been ejected.

Furthermore - even with the magazine still in the firearem, it should not discharge on closing of slide unless his finger was on the trigger (and putting pressure on it).

Which brings us back to the question of - was there something wrong with the firearm?

If not- this cop needs to hand in his firearm. IF so - then the cause needs to be investigated.
31 posted on 04/30/2004 10:07:55 AM PDT by TheBattman (Leadership = http://www.georgewbush.com/)
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To: dead
You forgot the accompanying drug dog going beserk, biting children and teachers, pooping on the floor, kids and teachers sliding into it in their attempts to escape.

Yes, you really are a VERY bad person LOL!
32 posted on 04/30/2004 10:07:55 AM PDT by ladylib
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To: steplock
Some agencies, FBI I am sure about, never never surrender or unload their weapons. They are always armed.
33 posted on 04/30/2004 10:08:51 AM PDT by NorthGA
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To: Moose4
Depends on the weapon and since he was pointing the gun down, the round would not just pop out.
34 posted on 04/30/2004 10:09:16 AM PDT by no more apples
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To: archy
A federal drug agent shot himself in the leg during a gun safety presentation to children and his bosses are investigating.

Perhaps just a graphic demonstration of what not to do with a hand gun?

35 posted on 04/30/2004 10:10:11 AM PDT by EGPWS
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To: Old Sarge
I nominate this agent for The Darwin Award.

I think the Darwin is given posthumously, but he is eligible as a runner up.

36 posted on 04/30/2004 10:11:34 AM PDT by Born Conservative (It really sucks when your 15 minutes of fame comes AFTER you're gone...)
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To: archy
Kids, this is what happens when you violate rule one.
37 posted on 04/30/2004 10:11:44 AM PDT by Dan from Michigan ("The bigger they are, the harder they fall" - John L Sullivan)
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To: archy
Maybe the DEA should change their name to the Darwin Enhancement Agency.
38 posted on 04/30/2004 10:13:53 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn't be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: archy
Police ruled the shooting was an accident, but the DEA headquarters in Washington was still investigating

Libertarians did it.

39 posted on 04/30/2004 10:15:11 AM PDT by The kings dead (O.C.-Old Cracker:"It's time for some of our freedoms to get curtailed for the sake of the Republic.")
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To: archy
Hmmm...sounds like the school should have gone with Eddie Eagle or maybe the pistol "First Steps" course. As an NRA instructor, I know we don't have any live ammo in the classroom!
40 posted on 04/30/2004 10:15:29 AM PDT by Bottom_Gun (Crush depth dummy)
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To: Monty22
A friend of mine shot a hole in his wall when he removed the mag from his pistol, racked the slide twice then pulled the trigger as he pointed it in a "safe" direction. He never forgot that lesson.
41 posted on 04/30/2004 10:16:05 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn't be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: Moose4
I'm a total ignoramus about guns (only ever been shooting once, and that was with a friend's .38 revolver), so help me here...if he removed the magazine and pulled back the slide, shouldn't that have cleared the round that would've been chambered? And is it normal for the gun to go off if he let the slide go back forward too quickly?

It all depends on the gun, but
1. Depends how he was pointing the gun. He should have looked and put his finger in the chamber to make sure.

2. Probably not, but I'd REALLY like to know where his index finger was.........my guess is it was on the trigger.

42 posted on 04/30/2004 10:17:39 AM PDT by Dan from Michigan ("The bigger they are, the harder they fall" - John L Sullivan)
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To: Born Conservative
"I think the Darwin is given posthumously, but he is eligible as a runner up."

Just a trial run - give him time.
43 posted on 04/30/2004 10:19:40 AM PDT by beelzepug (I'll take "Why Me?" for a thousand, Alex.)
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To: archy
there was an Orange County Sheriff Firearms Instructor that shot someone else on the range!

they need to send the clowns through the NRA range course....after they graduate their LE courses
44 posted on 04/30/2004 10:20:05 AM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: steplock
Yeah, what happened to the zero tolerance gun free zone?
45 posted on 04/30/2004 10:21:00 AM PDT by looscnnn ("Live free or die; death is not the worst of evils" Gen. John Stark 1809)
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To: OXENinFLA
If he did both (remove the mag. & pull back the slide) why was there still a round in the gun?

Maybe the moron didn't pull the slide back far enough and with suffcient force to eject the round. He was more interested in 'show & tell" then a clear weapon.

46 posted on 04/30/2004 10:21:18 AM PDT by JoeSixPack1 (Mr. Ed and Wilbur's wife had a kid named John..)
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To: archy
How can something this funny be so sad at the same time. Anything bad happening to a DEA dumbass is automatically funny.

The sad thing is this has probably turned lots of these kids against guns. This will be used to show them that even with a "trained person" guns are too dangerous to have around.

Someone isn't telling the whole truth here. IF the magazine was removed, and the slide racked. this firearm could not fire.

47 posted on 04/30/2004 10:22:00 AM PDT by snowtigger
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To: biblewonk
When my dad was in basic training the Drill Sgt. put an M-14 up to his chin to prove that it didn't have much of a recoil. He had done it several times before but this time he broke his jaw.

When I was in basic, our drill sergeant put the butt of an M-16 up to his crotch and fired off a few rounds to emphasize the light recoil. Fortunately, he didn't have the groin equivalent of a broken jaw.

48 posted on 04/30/2004 10:22:16 AM PDT by arm958
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To: Blood of Tyrants
"Maybe the DEA should change their name..."

Aren't these the guys who have to have 8-inch-high bright yellow letters on the backs of their jackets so they won't shoot EACH OTHER?
49 posted on 04/30/2004 10:22:34 AM PDT by beelzepug (I'll take "Why Me?" for a thousand, Alex.)
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To: Moose4
1.) Yes

2.) No

3.) Yes, you're still allowed here, but only temporarily. Now get thee to a gun store and buy something that goes 'Bang'.

L

50 posted on 04/30/2004 10:22:47 AM PDT by Lurker ("Freedom begins when you tell Mrs. Grundy to go fly a kite"-Robert Heinlein)
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