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Too much skin showing at school?
Chicago Daily Herald ^ | April 28, 2004

Posted on 04/30/2004 11:00:07 AM PDT by presidio9

Malena Schroeder is fed up.

She's fed up with high school students wearing visible thong underwear, blue jeans that droop low on the hips or skimpy blouses that show - in her opinion - too much skin.

A Mundelein High School District 120 board member who also regularly volunteers at the school, Schroeder doesn't consider herself prudish. But she's tired of walking through the school hallways and seeing provocatively dressed kids who look like they popped out of a racy music video.

"If I'm an adult and I'm distracted, I can only imagine what effect it might have on teenagers in that environment," she said.

During a board meeting earlier this week, Schroeder called for administrators to more stringently enforce the facility's dress code or adopt stricter rules that could include uniforms. She received support from other trustees and from audience members who applauded her request.

The proposal also was backed by Superintendent Stan Fields, who promised a committee will study the issue.

"There's something to be said for preparing students for life after high school and (teaching) appropriate grooming habits and dress habits," Fields said. "It's pretty difficult to get a job when your rear end is hanging out."

Mundelein isn't the only suburban high school wrestling with dress-code concerns. Wauconda High School and the other schools in Wauconda Unit District 118 tightened clothing policies for the 2003-04 term, banning belly-baring tops, low-rise pants and other revealing garments.

Similar rules have been adopted in recent years at high schools in Buffalo Grove, Naperville, St. Charles and other towns.

Public-school dress codes, including those requiring students wear uniforms, are legal under Illinois and federal laws. Although courts have ruled garments with political slogans are protected by the First Amendment, educators can restrict the size or style of student clothing.

"You have the right to free expression. You probably don't have the right to show off your belly ring," said Ed Yohnka, spokesman for the American Civil Liberties Union (news - web sites) of Illinois.

Mundelein High updated its dress code in 2002. Among the restrictions is a rule requiring clothes cover all skin and underwear between the armpit and mid-thigh.

Violators can be asked to change into more appropriate clothes or wear a baggy Mundelein High T-shirt over offending garments, school spokeswoman Kelley Happ said. On "rare occasions," she said, some are sent home.

Schroeder, who has two teenagers enrolled at Mundelein, believes those rules aren't properly enforced. Too many times she's seen students with pants that don't cover their underwear or whose shirts reveal skin at the midriff.

"It's become the norm," she said. "There's a time and a place for that kind of dress. It shouldn't be school attire."

If parents can't control what their kids wear, Schroeder said, school administrators or the board must step in and make sure teens are dressed appropriately. If that means stronger enforcement of the existing dress code or the adoption of uniforms, she said, so be it.

"It's our responsibility to make sure that our kids can focus and have some decorum," Schroeder said.

Mundelein High junior Stephanie Urban thinks officials who want to crack down on dress-code abuses are overreacting. Students dress better than they used to, she said.

Jessy Wisniewski, another junior, likes to wear shorts or skirts to school and said she has been sent home for sporting clothes considered too risque.

"I'm 16. I can legally drive. But people are going to tell me (what's) appropriate for school?" she said. "I mean, I'm not coming to school dressed in a bikini."

Students who oppose uniforms may have a surprising ally: board President Thomas M.P. Hannigan, who thinks better enforcement of the existing code is the answer.

"My high school had a uniform. My grammar school had a uniform. And I don't think I learned any better because of that," Hannigan said. "I think we have a reasonable dress code. Before the school board jumps in and makes changes, let's see how an enforced dress code works."

Dress: Board president doesn't back uniforms


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1 posted on 04/30/2004 11:00:07 AM PDT by presidio9
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To: presidio9
Every generation has their thing, I remember (with fondness) hot pants.
2 posted on 04/30/2004 11:02:15 AM PDT by SF Republican (Life ain't fair and I'm glad)
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To: presidio9
I'm sorry, but most parents let their 11 year olds walk around in public looking like $40 whores.
3 posted on 04/30/2004 11:02:53 AM PDT by Huck (In the Soviet Union, the Admin Moderators ruled.)
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To: presidio9
The girls wearing those low-riders expose more butt-crack than my plumber.
4 posted on 04/30/2004 11:03:34 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: presidio9
her customers want to be sexy and feminine – in sizes from 12-to-26.

Trying desperately to bite my tongue.

5 posted on 04/30/2004 11:04:05 AM PDT by mountaineer
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To: mountaineer

As all of us had the misfortune of discovering, thongs have been available for women of, um, "plus sizes" since at least the mid 90's...

6 posted on 04/30/2004 11:10:04 AM PDT by presidio9 ("See, mother, I make all things new.")
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To: mountaineer
Hey! Oh wait...okay.
7 posted on 04/30/2004 11:10:33 AM PDT by tongue-tied
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To: presidio9
"I'm 16. I can legally drive. But people are going to tell me (what's) appropriate for school?" she said. "I mean, I'm not coming to school dressed in a bikini."

Three of the most useless things in the world: boobs on a dyke, balls on a fag, and the opinion of a teenager.

8 posted on 04/30/2004 11:10:52 AM PDT by Agnes Heep (Solus cum sola non cogitabuntur orare pater noster)
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To: presidio9
I like the term "prostitots"
9 posted on 04/30/2004 11:11:29 AM PDT by biblewonk (Horatius Bonar)
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To: presidio9
Maybe we should just have the kids come to school naked.... and abandon all pretense of anything but prurient interest on the part of the faculty.
10 posted on 04/30/2004 11:12:32 AM PDT by CatoRenasci (Ceterum Censeo Arabiam Esse Delendam -- Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit)
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To: Agnes Heep
You left out tits on a bull and gold rings in hog's noses.
11 posted on 04/30/2004 11:13:03 AM PDT by biblewonk (Horatius Bonar)
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To: Huck
"I'm sorry, but most parents let their 11 year olds walk around in public looking like $40 whores"

Don't be sorry-this is true. Now I have to learn to sew because the clothes for my 6yo (besides sweats) have that look. We are blessed because we are able to homeschool our children and don't have to deal with the popular dress battle.
12 posted on 04/30/2004 11:13:52 AM PDT by Annie03 (donate at www.terrisfight.org)
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To: presidio9
It's increasingly difficult for my conservative 16-year-old daughter to find clothes that are not revealing. I've gone with her; it blows my mind what the stores put on the racks for teenage girls.
13 posted on 04/30/2004 11:14:42 AM PDT by kezekiel
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To: presidio9
How can these young women think they look good, when they're wearing low-rider pants with their big fat guts and spare tires hanging over the belt.
14 posted on 04/30/2004 11:14:58 AM PDT by Inspectorette
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To: Agnes Heep
Testify!
15 posted on 04/30/2004 11:15:38 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: presidio9
I must admit that back when I was in high school and pretty girls showed up wearing little more than bikinis. .......well, let's just say I was ok with it ;)~
16 posted on 04/30/2004 11:15:44 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: biblewonk
You left out tits on a bull and gold rings in hog's noses.

biblewonk gets the award of the day for relevant Bible reference:

Prov 11:22-Like a gold ring in a pig's snout is a beautiful woman who shows no discretion.

Although I must say that I think the analogy is meant more to show the innapropriate blending of the beautiful and base than to show useless function.

18 posted on 04/30/2004 11:20:13 AM PDT by kezekiel
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To: SF Republican
" Every generation has their thing, I remember (with fondness) hot pants."

I remember tube tops with bras burned. Guess even feminist are good for something.

19 posted on 04/30/2004 11:20:24 AM PDT by elfman2
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To: Annie03
It's really out of control. Just 10 years ago, the only girls you saw with bellies showing and exposed tatoos on their backsides were strippers. Now you see it at every bustop. It's sick.
20 posted on 04/30/2004 11:20:27 AM PDT by Huck (In the Soviet Union, the Admin Moderators ruled.)
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To: presidio9
"It's pretty difficult to get a job when your rear end is hanging out."

Depends on where you're gonna work, in some places it's mandatory.

21 posted on 04/30/2004 11:22:06 AM PDT by BikerTrash (Enough already with the carnival freak show...bring back COOL!)
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To: Huck
I know some $40 whores that might be upset with your assessment!
22 posted on 04/30/2004 11:22:23 AM PDT by Bambino
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To: mountaineer
1) Open your mouth.
2) Stick out your tongue.
3) Chomp down!

You have now successfully bitten your tongue. We're all so proud!
23 posted on 04/30/2004 11:22:39 AM PDT by biggerten (Love you, Mom.)
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To: presidio9
Look at their role models--Mother of all whores, Madonna, Brittany, etc.

What's really disgusting is the preteen fashions. Seeing 11 year olds dressing like hookers complete with troweled on makeup makes me sick.

24 posted on 04/30/2004 11:22:40 AM PDT by The Great RJ
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To: mountaineer
lol.
25 posted on 04/30/2004 11:23:02 AM PDT by martin_fierro (Shhh. Navel contemplation in progress)
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To: SF Republican
Every generation has their thing, I remember (with fondness) hot pants.

They wore hot pants at your high school?

26 posted on 04/30/2004 11:24:12 AM PDT by cinFLA
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To: Always Right
But hopefully they are more pleasant to look at.
27 posted on 04/30/2004 11:24:19 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn't be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: kezekiel
Prov 11:22-Like a gold ring in a pig's snout is a beautiful woman who shows no discretion.

Kezekiek gets the award for picking up on subtle bible verse dropping!

Although I must say that I think the analogy is meant more to show the innapropriate blending of the beautiful and base than to show useless function.

The bible analogy is to show that a beautiful woman who is indiscrete is like a gold ring in a pigs nose. In other words, her behavior makes her the pig and her beauty is as useless as trying to beautify a pig with a gold ring in it's nose. It's a very harsh thing to say to a beautiful slut and very fitting.

28 posted on 04/30/2004 11:24:34 AM PDT by biblewonk (Horatius Bonar)
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To: Always Right
"The girls wearing those low-riders expose more butt-crack than my plumber."

That would be an effective therapy for those that have been traumatized by your plumber.

29 posted on 04/30/2004 11:26:25 AM PDT by spunkets
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To: presidio9
Dagnabit, I wish I was back in High School to exploit all this degeneracy.

Hot pants, short-shorts, and mini-skirts. I think I liked mini-skirts the best.

Of course any daughter of mine is going to wearing a habit to school... or at least a uniform.
30 posted on 04/30/2004 11:27:47 AM PDT by Little Ray (John Ffing sKerry: Just a gigolo!)
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To: Huck
It will be interesting to see how these tattoos look on them in 20 years!! (Not to mention how far down the rings will be hanging from various orafices!)
31 posted on 04/30/2004 11:27:54 AM PDT by Polyxene (For where God built a church, there the Devil would also build a chapel - Martin Luther)
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To: martin_fierro; mountaineer

(sorry)

32 posted on 04/30/2004 11:28:50 AM PDT by presidio9 ("See, mother, I make all things new.")
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To: Inspectorette
I have no idea. I see young girls with fat hanging out all over the place. My 18 y.o. son and I just look at each other and try not to laugh too loudly.

My wife's best friend let's her 16 y.o. daughter wear clothes two sizes too small, and she isn't fat but she certainly isn't what you would call slender.
33 posted on 04/30/2004 11:30:34 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn't be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: Little Ray
I think I liked mini-skirts the best.

THe problem with mini-skirts is that they kept causing me to drop my pencil...

34 posted on 04/30/2004 11:30:42 AM PDT by presidio9 ("See, mother, I make all things new.")
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To: martin_fierro
My daughter goes to Carmel, just a mile or so away from Mundelein HS. As a private Catholic HS, they wear "uniforms"...proper shirts, pants, skirts etc. with NAME TAGS. Anyone caught with shirt tails out or no name tags gets a detention. Needless to say, after forgetting once...the kid hasn't forgotten since...it's all about SELF discipline, respect for self and each other...and there is NO hassling with what to wear each morning...

GRRRRR
35 posted on 04/30/2004 11:30:43 AM PDT by GRRRRR (Love America? Vote Republican)
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To: kezekiel; Huck; Annie03
I work evenings and weekends in the Juniors department in a department store here in Virginia and every shift, the war between conservative Virginia moms and their daughters begins again: "No, that's too short!" "No, that's way too low on your hips!" Etc. From my vantage point, there are many, many parents who are fighting the trends and I salute them.

Much of the stuff I'm force to sell appalls me (and many of my co-workers), but I, as a seven-dollar-an-hour peon, have very little say in the matter. Alas.

36 posted on 04/30/2004 11:32:53 AM PDT by Hobsonphile (Back from a long hiatus.)
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To: GRRRRR
I would've (initially, at least) hated the idea of a uniform when I was in high school.

But boy, can I see their benefits now.
37 posted on 04/30/2004 11:33:06 AM PDT by martin_fierro (Shhh. Navel contemplation in progress)
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To: mountaineer
You go ahead and bite your tongue, I'll do something different with mine.


Kate Dillon at size 14.

38 posted on 04/30/2004 11:33:16 AM PDT by mvpel
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To: presidio9
Mr. Clinton and all his supporters taught us that thongs are appropriate for the Oval Office. So, what's the problem with having them in schools?
39 posted on 04/30/2004 11:34:59 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (George Bush kills terrorists. Bill Clinton pardons them. John Al-Qerry will apologize to them.)
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To: martin_fierro
I would've (initially, at least) hated the idea of a uniform when I was in high school.

But boy, can I see their benefits now.

Yet another symptom of the cultural decline our nation is facing. It's too bad, really. The schools are too busy trying to build up a vacant sense of self-esteem of idiot children to instill a normal sense of public decency and shame that the parents have failed to instill, so they resort to uniforms yeilding even more forced conformity.

40 posted on 04/30/2004 11:36:22 AM PDT by mvpel
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To: presidio9
That's alot of butt floss.
41 posted on 04/30/2004 11:36:22 AM PDT by gathersnomoss
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To: presidio9
We had these weird things called "Dress Codes" when I was in school.

I guess formulating and enforcing one of those is beyond comprehension.
42 posted on 04/30/2004 11:38:20 AM PDT by Skooz (My Biography: Psalm 40:1-3)
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To: gathersnomoss
Well, it's a lot of butt to floss....
43 posted on 04/30/2004 11:40:45 AM PDT by CatoRenasci (Ceterum Censeo Arabiam Esse Delendam -- Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit)
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To: Inspectorette
Try working in a convenience store when one of those 250#+ teenage females comes in, thong showing, while getting their breakfast of nachos and Pepsi or Coke. Then, there is the added bonus of being unlucky enough to have one of them bend over in front of you.

As Al Bundy used to holler: "My Eyes, My eyes!!"
44 posted on 04/30/2004 11:41:24 AM PDT by stylin_geek (Koffi: 0, G.W. Bush: (I lost count))
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To: presidio9
I don't understand how showing off your love handles with these hip hugging pants is sexy? The hip huggers are so tight, that even women who don't have love handles, appear to have them.
45 posted on 04/30/2004 11:43:23 AM PDT by lormand (Dead people vote DemocRAT)
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To: mvpel
Alright, everyone out of the pool. Everyone except you Woody.
46 posted on 04/30/2004 11:44:01 AM PDT by gathersnomoss
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To: Huck
Yes, it's amazing to see 14-year-old girls wearing clothing that a few years ago were the exclusive domain of prostitutes. The fashion moguls who push these styles are truly demented.
47 posted on 04/30/2004 11:44:49 AM PDT by thoughtomator (yesterday Kabul, today Baghdad, tomorrow Damascus)
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To: presidio9
The answer is... school uniform! Of course, it should be up to each school's board to decide upon the characertistic's of its uniform. Antother feasible solution is to implement a dress code.
48 posted on 04/30/2004 11:44:51 AM PDT by Bismarck
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To: CatoRenasci
I guess I'll be movin' to Montana soon.
49 posted on 04/30/2004 11:45:36 AM PDT by gathersnomoss
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To: Agnes Heep
My daughter just turned 13. Of course, that means she now knows everything.

I always tell her: "Nothing in the universe is less important than the opinions of a teenager."
50 posted on 04/30/2004 11:45:37 AM PDT by Skooz (My Biography: Psalm 40:1-3)
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