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Mark Steyn: Thatcher's Revolution Needs Completing
The Telegraph ^ | May 4, 2004 | Mark Steyn

Posted on 05/03/2004 3:25:00 PM PDT by quidnunc

Just after the Fall of Thatcher, I was in the pub enjoying a drink with her daughter Carol after a little light radio work. A fellow patron, a "radical" "poet", decided to have a go at her in loco parentis, which is Latin for "in the absence of her loco parent". After reciting a long catalogue of Mrs Thatcher's various crimes, he leant into Carol, nose to nose, and summed it all up: "Basically, your mum just totally smashed the working classes."

Carol was a jolly good sport about it, as always. And it has to be said that this terrible indictment loses a lot of its force when you replace "Vatcher" — a word the snarling tribunes of the masses could effortlessly spit down the length of the bar — with "your mum".

On the other hand, he had a point: basically, her mum did just totally smash the working classes. Today, if one hears the term "working class", one assumes the speaker is Billy Bragg or some other celebrity nostalgic speaking for himself and a handful of other firebrand romantics. But 25 years ago the "working class" still had the numbers, and nary a day went by when the evening news didn't include some menacing scene of big burly blokes striking for their right to continue enjoying the soft pampered working week of the more effete Ottoman sultans.

All aspects of life, from cars to newspapers, seemed at the mercy of this demographic. If one heard that, say, Teabags (the Technical and Engineering Association of Beverage Administrators and Grumpy Servers) were shutting down every British tea room, one would expect to switch on the news (assuming that the news wasn't on strike) and see big burly blokes in Lyons Corner House pinnies jostling with coppers outside ye olde tea shoppe in the Cotswolds.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Politics/Elections; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: maggie; marksteyn

1 posted on 05/03/2004 3:25:01 PM PDT by quidnunc
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To: quidnunc
bump to read about one of my role models and her GREAT efforts to help Britain.

Go Maggie Go!

BTW- yes, they do need more Conservative Party members so they can stop the downward spiral of socialism they are in.
2 posted on 05/03/2004 3:28:14 PM PDT by eyespysomething (The Barbarians are at the Gates. Don't give Kerry the key!)
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To: quidnunc
Thatcher's revolution needs completing
By Mark Steyn
(Filed: 04/05/2004)


Just after the Fall of Thatcher, I was in the pub enjoying a drink with her daughter Carol after a little light radio work. A fellow patron, a "radical" "poet", decided to have a go at her in loco parentis, which is Latin for "in the absence of her loco parent". After reciting a long catalogue of Mrs Thatcher's various crimes, he leant into Carol, nose to nose, and summed it all up: "Basically, your mum just totally smashed the working classes."

Carol was a jolly good sport about it, as always. And it has to be said that this terrible indictment loses a lot of its force when you replace "Vatcher" - a word the snarling tribunes of the masses could effortlessly spit down the length of the bar - with "your mum".

On the other hand, he had a point: basically, her mum did just totally smash the working classes. Today, if one hears the term "working class", one assumes the speaker is Billy Bragg or some other celebrity nostalgic speaking for himself and a handful of other firebrand romantics. But 25 years ago the "working class" still had the numbers, and nary a day went by when the evening news didn't include some menacing scene of big burly blokes striking for their right to continue enjoying the soft pampered working week of the more effete Ottoman sultans.

All aspects of life, from cars to newspapers, seemed at the mercy of this demographic. If one heard that, say, Teabags (the Technical and Engineering Association of Beverage Administrators and Grumpy Servers) were shutting down every British tea room, one would expect to switch on the news (assuming that the news wasn't on strike) and see big burly blokes in Lyons Corner House pinnies jostling with coppers outside ye olde tea shoppe in the Cotswolds.

All gone. The "working class" has itself been largely privatised, and thus dispersed - or, if you prefer, liberated. In Saturday's Telegraph, the various commentators on Mrs T's silver jubilee took it as read that Carol's mum had totally smashed the working class. The point of dispute was whether this was a good thing. Some thought it was: Lord King was happy to be free of a country run by the now forgotten Longbridge shop-floor colossus "Red Robbo". Some thought it a tragedy: Billy Bragg felt Thatch had destroyed "the feeling that we were all fighting together to make our society a better place". And some thought it was a ghastly social faux pas: Philip Pullman bemoaned contemporary Britain's "moral anarchy, a public life of profound vulgarity, a morally squalid press", etc.

I hear quite a bit of that these days - almost like a local version of East German "ostalgie". Old British friends say to me, well, say what you like about the 1970s - nothing worked; if you wanted to buy a new car, it was as if post-war rationing was still in effect - but all the same life in the village seemed a lot more pleasant back then. There's something to this: the benign side of oppressive statism is often a kind of public restraint. And more than a few folks seem to feel, with the benefit of hindsight, that it's better to have unionised thugs nutting scabs on the picket line than freelance yobs in hideous leisurewear infesting ersatz-American high streets catering to their every frightful whim from one end to the other. For the modern liberal, this is a new dilemma: an underclass that's too rich.

No society stands still. Forget all the strikes in that "winter of discontent", and try to remember how well Britain worked when things were going well. In a "globalised economy", would you still want to be trying to get an extra phone line from the old GPO? Would you want them regulating your access to the internet? The things that don't work in post-Thatcher Britain are not in those areas where she followed her market instincts, but in those where she didn't. Not her fault, of course. She had a lot else to worry about - the Cold War, the Argies - and she had a cabinet which, whether as manifested by grandees such as Ian Gilmour or bruisers like Ken Clarke, was always at least two thirds unsound.

But the result is that the Thatcher revolution is uncompleted. Nobody in 2004 seriously thinks the Government should run airlines or that working people should live their entire lives in state housing - though what now seems obvious to all required extraordinary political will by a few 25 years ago. And, on any honest account of 21st-century Britain, most of the problems derive from the unThatcherised sectors, in which the post-war, centralised, bureaucratic conventional wisdom still holds.

By the 1990s, for example, the most prominent and enduring example of a pre-Thatcher, bloated, useless, unproductive, overpaid, closed-shop state monopoly was the British police. They're the Red Robbos of the age, in terms of both their willingness to take umbrage at constructive suggestion and the zealousness with which they guard their turf. Localised policing accountable to local electorates would be a logical extension of Thatcherite economic policy - a recognition that giving citizens more personal responsibility isn't something that applies just to their housing and consumer choices but also to their civic life. If you have one without the other, you end up with the sad state of affairs in so many crime-ridden leafy villages and middle-class suburbs: a materially wealthy society of frustrated and impotent citizens.

Mrs Thatcher privatised British Telecom, British Airways, British Leyland. But we still have a nationalised British political culture: the reflexive gripe that, if something's wrong with your local hospital or your local school, it ought to be fixed by some secretary of state in a Whitehall department. It never will be. But the way to get some dynamism and creativity into the system is to denationalise the problems, and make them local issues to be solved locally, in a thousand different ways. As Mrs Thatcher recognised, the British are an inventive people. Unfortunately, though she freed them to apply that inventiveness to their economic life, they're artificially prevented from applying it to everything else. It's time to complete the revolution.

News: Tributes on historic date for Thatcher


3 posted on 05/03/2004 3:37:12 PM PDT by Eurotwit
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To: quidnunc
Red Robbo? From BBC News:

One of the most militant trade union shop stewards of the 1970s has said that the decade's notorious strikes are not to blame for Rover's current plight.

Derek Robinson, or "Red Robbo" as he was dubbed by the media, became synonymous with the strikes which crippled production at the Longbridge plant in Birmingham in the 1970s.

4 posted on 05/03/2004 3:41:23 PM PDT by Oatka
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To: eyespysomething
That should read "her great efforts to help middle England".

Maggies (very personal) hatred and comtempt for the Scots was part of her downfall... and the reason that Scotland has become the most left-wing part of the UK. The same applies to Wales and the North of England.

If she had had the foresight to unite the country rather than divide it, Britain wouldn't be suffering from the socialist resurgence it is now.
5 posted on 05/03/2004 3:54:05 PM PDT by I-spy-guy
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To: quidnunc
For the modern liberal, this is a new dilemma: an underclass that's too rich.

No dilemma at all. There, as here in America, they simply ignore the material wealth of "the poor" (most so-called poor in this country have cars and TV sets, as well as a roof over their heads).

6 posted on 05/03/2004 3:56:21 PM PDT by irv
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7 posted on 05/03/2004 4:05:51 PM PDT by eureka! (Note to Terry McAuliffe- Thanks for the early primaries!!!!!!)
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To: quidnunc
bump
8 posted on 05/03/2004 4:37:05 PM PDT by satchmodog9 (it's coming and if you don't get off the tracks it will run you down)
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To: Eurotwit
That last paragraph is one of Steyn's best in serious mode.
9 posted on 05/03/2004 6:46:56 PM PDT by litany_of_lies
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To: I-spy-guy
Bull. There were only twelve Scottish MP's in the third Thatcher Government (twelve Scottish conservatives, rather). In any case, what did she do to offend the Scots (or the Welsh) other than cut back on some of the overly-generous public services they enjoyed and refuse all demands for devolution or regional autonomy.

The main problem is that the stupid, the poor, the lazy, and the useless are allowed to vote and, therefore, the controvesey over the Community Charge (combined with the Row over Europe) was enough to do her in.

Typically, she was right about both of those things as well. Britain needs to get the hell away from European perverts and degenerates. The faster the better.

And, of course, the Community Charge was an emminently sensible idea- one that I'm entirely in favor of. All people use certian basic services equally, so why should they not pay for them all equally? A Poll Tax seems, to me at least, to be the fairest of all taxes.
10 posted on 05/03/2004 8:51:28 PM PDT by victoryatallcosts (Rule Britannia. Britannia Rules the Waves. Britons never shall be slaves.)
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To: Eurotwit
Thanks for posting the full article.
11 posted on 05/03/2004 9:08:57 PM PDT by jjackson
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To: victoryatallcosts
No, the controversy over the poll tax was that it was used on one part of the "UNITED" Kingdom as a test bed, which, i might add, was illegal. Scotland was less worried about the EU and the row surrounding it than middle England, we were too busy being excluded from the UK.

Perhaps you should ask yourself "WHY" there were only 12 Scottish MP's in the third Thatcher Government... maybe that will support the conclusion that most reasonable conservatives could no longer support her increasingly unfathomable comptempt of those three other parts of the UK and this led to the rise of people like Tommy Sheridan who built his entire career on opposing individual policies and If you actually open you eyes and READ what i had written, you'll see that her inability to unite the country as a whole led to the radicalisation of Scotland and Wales.

I must also ask, do you refer to the Scots as a whole as the stupid, poor, lazy and useless? That rather contradicts the other great Tory, Churchill, doesn't it? And as a well educated and hard working Scot who has worked all over the world, i find that very small minded and very insulting.

You state that the problem is that "stupid people" are allowed to vote... i hate to point it out, but that is the very same attitude that lost the Tories all Scottish seats a few years ago... Do you see the PROBLEM now?????
12 posted on 05/04/2004 1:20:48 AM PDT by I-spy-guy
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To: Eurotwit; Pokey78
Thanks for the full post....I am pinging this to our FRiend, Pokey 78.

Lando

13 posted on 05/04/2004 10:37:48 AM PDT by Lando Lincoln (GWB in 2004)
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To: Eurotwit
Thatcher's success in Britain gave me hope for my own country, Canada, at one time.

Then came Lyin' Brian.

We've yet to see if the situation is retrievable.
14 posted on 05/04/2004 10:44:01 AM PDT by headsonpikes (Spirit of '76 bttt!)
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