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Parole Saddam? Lew Rockwell on peace and reconciliation in Iraq.
Lew Rockwell.com ^ | 4 May 04 | Lew Rockwell

Posted on 05/05/2004 9:45:53 AM PDT by u-89

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To: u-89
I could be wrong, but I think JimRob frowns on LR.com and its sister sites being posted here.
21 posted on 05/05/2004 10:15:18 AM PDT by AmishDude
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To: Mr. K
this is good, we hook him up with a shock collar and any time he misbehaves ZAP!!!! it works with animals.
22 posted on 05/05/2004 10:15:43 AM PDT by Docbarleypop (Navy Doc)
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To: AmishDude
As a news discussion forum we shouldn't frown on certain news or opinion articles. I believe it's better to have robust debate on all points of view.

As for LRC I am not aware that JR has blacklisted them. I post their articles frequently and to date have had no problem. I know many freepers do not appreciate LRC but many others do. The site does not focus on the war exclusively by the way, there are many interesting articles on economics, history, culture, etc. There was one on the origins of Mother Day I was thinking about posting.

If by sister sites you mean Anti-war.com, well as I understand it they requested that their articles no longer be posted on this FR but I do not know why.

23 posted on 05/05/2004 10:28:30 AM PDT by u-89
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To: u-89
Congratulations on another nauseating lewrockwell.com post. I have one observation and one question.

1. Your profile page is the must vulgar display of move-on handwringing I've ever seen.

2. Are you Lew Rockwell?

24 posted on 05/05/2004 10:30:14 AM PDT by DonaldDuke
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To: u-89
lewrockwell.com and anti-war.com articles are like the fat man farting at the polite woman's party: They do it just to get attention and to see how the woman will respond. Honestly, I'm tired of their parlor game flatulence. They take unfair advantage of the politeness of this forum by publishing incendiary stuff for the express purpose of getting it on FR.

I think JimRob's objection is mostly with the fact that these sites write explicitly to get mentioned on FR, anti-war.com's self-righteous complaints not withstanding.

25 posted on 05/05/2004 10:53:15 AM PDT by AmishDude
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To: VisualizeSmallerGovernment
BTW, who's Lew Rockwell?,

Isn't he that painter? Must be getting on in years. Good brew he's smoking too, by the looks of things.

Funny how we never hear of the Lew Rockwells of the world who actually live in the tyrant's nation (pick one) and write this tripe. Perhaps Lew should go try. Then again, he'd probably become a member of the ruling class - a Baathist I would say.

26 posted on 05/05/2004 11:00:06 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (In God We Trust. All Others We Monitor.)
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To: DonaldDuke
According to you my quoting certain "conservatives" is vulgar but the comments themselves are just fine? That's quite an interesting approach you have there.
27 posted on 05/05/2004 11:05:42 AM PDT by u-89
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To: hchutch
I don't know what to call this guy. Too many decent creatures would be offended...

Maybe you could call him a lawyer, or would that be too cruel?

28 posted on 05/05/2004 11:09:35 AM PDT by kevkrom (The John Kerry Songbook: www.imakrom.com/kerrysongs)
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To: DonaldDuke
I have received considerable hate mail for upholding the old conservative tradition of minding one's own business, in foreign affairs as well as your own neighborhood. Strange as it may seem, conservative Republicans used to be against excessive spending. They were even critical of the Democratic party for being the War party and using war to boost the economy on the back of soldiers.

Since we are so enlightened now and flip-flopped on monetary stability and world socialism, I am not the die-hard Republican I once was. I do even toy with the idea of third party voting in place of "none of the above". I do note that the right to express opinion is curtailed by accusation of treason, insanity, or just plain dumb. Like the story of the pied piper, the followers of the party must stay in line, and be led to their fate.

29 posted on 05/05/2004 11:25:53 AM PDT by meenie
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To: AmishDude
>publishing incendiary stuff for the express purpose of getting it on FR...these sites write explicitly to get mentioned on FR

According to the Alexa ratings for political sites Lew Rockwell is the 4th most popular news site on the web. Somehow I don't think they write merely to get noticed on FR but who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of man? They might just live for postings like this and comments like yours. Stranger things have happen.

30 posted on 05/05/2004 11:32:44 AM PDT by u-89
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To: u-89
Parole Saddam?? I don't think so!
Anyway, he won't be ours to judge in a couple months. Just imagine the massive amount of evidence that we are sitting on, just waiting for a public trial! Saddam will have his day in an Iraqi court and I have a feeling a whole lot of s**t is gonna hit the fan!
31 posted on 05/05/2004 11:39:56 AM PDT by airborne (lead by example)
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To: u-89; Anti-Bubba182
From Anti-Bubba182:
If you look at the Lew Rockwell homepage you will see that they have an Alexa referral box on it. The Alexa rating system works only for Browsers with the Alexa Toolbar installed. The Alexa spyware collects surfing data on those browsers with the toolbar installed. Currently the Toolbar only works with Microsoft Internet Explorer.

Lew Rockwell hypes the Alexa Rating by featuring it on his hompage and often mentioning his ratings as the example you have linked. His users are more likely to use the Tool Bar offered by Alexa if for no other reason than they are aware it exists, which would not be typically true of the other sites he shows in the comparisons he listed.

Alexa ratings my be relevant comparisons for sites that do not make prominant reference to Alexa and thereby Skew the ratings upward. Also, I don't think he is doing his readers any favors by leading them to a toolbar that loads spyware on their computers.

Same talking points . . . If you are an employee or contributor or flunky at LR.com, you should at least have the honesty to admit it.
32 posted on 05/05/2004 11:42:21 AM PDT by AmishDude
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To: u-89
According to you my quoting certain "conservatives" is vulgar but the comments themselves are just fine?

To take the comments first: they seem to be from threads discussing the latest hysteria over the nude, semi-nude or just silly pictures coming out of Iraq. That is, purportedly coming out of Iraq. As of now, what is real and not real has not been determined - some pics floated around comes from a porn studio in Budapest, for example. And even if some of this is real, being told to stand in a silly manner while naked and feeling humiliated is not torture, even if you're an islamic, a terrorist, or a terrorist sympathizer. Think you can wrap your mind around this?

Vulgar display: that is your profile page packed with all this stuff - screaming "woe is us - we are Bad Americans - we have lost the war, immoral swine that we are". Yes, you are one. Your screeds are exactly what comes out of MoveOn and ANSWER. I'd say that's pretty vulgar. And that's being polite.

33 posted on 05/05/2004 11:44:42 AM PDT by DonaldDuke
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To: AmishDude
Gee, you really clinched it. LR lives to get on FR. Maybe they don't make it every day but you're here and that's what really counts. Keep up the good work!
34 posted on 05/05/2004 11:52:06 AM PDT by u-89
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To: u-89
The US has lost the war.

Nice of him to let me know when to stop reading.

What is the purpose of your bio page, u-89?

35 posted on 05/05/2004 11:58:13 AM PDT by Shryke (Never retreat. Never explain. Get it done and let them howl.)
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To: u-89
Gee, you really clinched it. LR lives to get on FR.

Pretty much.

36 posted on 05/05/2004 12:16:21 PM PDT by AmishDude
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To: u-89
Whatever Happened to Hate Mail?

Could his whining for attention be any more clear?

Wah! My first attempt to inflame peolpe didn't work. Let my post the same stupid story AGAIN! There! Now, send me hate mail so I can feel superior!

Gee, Lew, maybe people just don't bother responding to morons anymore. There are better things to do with our time than educating you.

37 posted on 05/05/2004 12:18:25 PM PDT by Teacher317
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To: stainlessbanner; WhiskeyPapa; x; Non-Sequitur
LOOKIE HERE YA'LL. The Neo-Confederate Rockwell has become a Neo-Baathist.

Too funny. I wonder if he'll have Tommy DiLusional do a few articles on how misunderstood poor Saddam was.

38 posted on 05/05/2004 12:33:52 PM PDT by Ditto ( No trees were killed in sending this message, but billions of electrons were inconvenienced.)
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To: DonaldDuke
>DonaldDuke: discussing the latest hysteria over the nude, semi-nude or just silly pictures coming out of Iraq. That is, purportedly coming out of Iraq. As of now, what is real and not real has not been determined

Don't read the news much do you chief?

Here's a few quotes from stories on all the news sites since you missed them.

the deaths of two Iraqi prisoners already have been ruled homicides and have on going investigations into another 12 deaths, the Army said Tuesday. In one case, a soldier was court-martialed, reduced in rank and discharged from the Army. In the other case, a CIA contract interrogator's conduct has been referred to the Justice Department for criminal prosecution, the Army said.

Then there's this:

The following are some of the key excerpts from the report prepared by Maj. Gen. Antonio M. Taguba on alleged abuse of prisoners by members of the 800th Military Police Brigade at the Abu Ghraib Prison in Baghdad. The report was ordered by Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez, commander of Joint Task Force-7, the senior U.S. military official in Iraq, following persistent allegations of human rights abuses at the prison.

-numerous incidents of sadistic, blatant, and wanton criminal abuses were inflicted on several detainees. This systemic and illegal abuse of detainees was intentionally perpetrated by several members of the military police guard force

-Breaking chemical lights and pouring the phosphoric liquid on detainees

- Forcing detainees to remove their clothing and keeping them naked for several days at a time

-Pouring cold water on naked detainees

-Beating detainees with a broom handle and a chair

-Allowing a military police guard to stitch the wound of a detainee who was injured after being slammed against the wall in his cell

- Sodomizing a detainee with a chemical light and perhaps a broom stick

-Punching, slapping, and kicking detainees; jumping on their naked feet

-Videotaping and photographing naked male and female detainees

-Forcibly arranging detainees in various sexually explicit positions for photographing

-Forcing naked male detainees to wear women’s underwear

-Forcing groups of male detainees to masturbate themselves while being photographed and videotaped

-Arranging naked male detainees in a pile and then jumping on them

-Positioning a naked detainee on a MRE Box, with a sandbag on his head, and attaching wires to his fingers, toes, and penis to simulate electric torture

-Placing a dog chain or strap around a naked detainee’s neck and having a female Soldier pose for a picture

-A male MP guard having sex with a female detainee

-Using military working dogs (without muzzles) to intimidate and frighten detainees, and in at least one case biting and severely injuring a detainee

These findings are amply supported by written confessions provided by several of the suspects, written statements provided by detainees, and witness statements.

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Do you find all these FACTS as laid out by the army itself compatible with your values? If so that's OK there are plenty of others around here who think this business is just the greatest. Funny thing though but the president himself doesn't seem too keen on it. But hey, maybe these folks are more conservative than he is. Personally my conservative values are appalled by this but then perhaps I'm just old fashioned.

39 posted on 05/05/2004 12:57:20 PM PDT by u-89
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To: u-89
I've also received plenty of hate mail in response to articles on Iraq. But over the last year, the number of such messages has dwindled

Because we are ignoring you Lewellen.

40 posted on 05/05/2004 1:00:06 PM PDT by NeoCaveman (in a world gone mad, this all makes sense)
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