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Police to Probe ‘Martyr’ Pledge ("…terrorism it is part of Islam.")
The Asian Times [UK] ^ | May 4, 2004 | Unattributed

Posted on 05/05/2004 12:06:17 PM PDT by quidnunc

A Muslim who publicly declared his support for the Madrid terrorists and claims he wants to be a `martyr' is being investigated by police.

Hassan Butt, aged 24, from Manchester, featured in a TV programme which alleged that British Muslims are preparing to take up arms despite the efforts of the police and security forces.

Butt, who has previously been arrested twice under the Terrorism Act, said he "envies" the Madrid bombers and that he too would like to become a martyr.

He said: "It is my hope that by the age of 40 I am a martyr — and if I hadn't I would probably be a bit dejected in not being among the martyrs of Islam."

Asked if he was prepared to follow other British Muslims to a terror training camp, he says he would be "honoured" and that he would have his mother's support.

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And, referring to the continued presence of British, Spanish and US forces in Iraq, it said he told an east London audience: "What happened in Madrid is all revenge. Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, life for life. Anybody (that) commits a crime he should be punished — that's exactly what happened in relation to Spain.

"Objective number one — break the psychology of the occupier by hitting back in their homeland. To be worried about their own wives and loved ones."

"Prepare as much as you can from strength and from force to terrorise — because terrorism it is part of Islam."

(Excerpt) Read more at theasiannews.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Extended News; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: jihadineurope

1 posted on 05/05/2004 12:06:17 PM PDT by quidnunc
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To: quidnunc
I wonder if he is just bitter because of his last name.
2 posted on 05/05/2004 12:08:30 PM PDT by jtminton (Ask me about my turn paper. It's about diaramas.)
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To: quidnunc
Pity we're all so "civilized". Otherwise we could have someone steal into his place some quiet evening and plant 2 in the hat.
3 posted on 05/05/2004 12:09:02 PM PDT by theDentist (JOHN KERRY never saw a TAX he would not HIKE !)
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To: quidnunc
"Prepare as much as you can from strength and from force to terrorise — because terrorism it is part of Islam."

You heard it
Straight from the camel's mouth.
4 posted on 05/05/2004 12:09:29 PM PDT by Shaun_MD ("...Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges - In Times of War, The Law Will Fall Silent..." - Cicero)
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To: quidnunc
This is your typical Mohammedan.

Mohammedans are like Lawyers. It's the 99% that make the other 1% look bad.
5 posted on 05/05/2004 12:16:34 PM PDT by Guillermo ("Oh yeah? Well if you do it again, I'm gonna have only one word for you: 'Outta here.'" - Paul Sr.)
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To: Guillermo
Mohammedans are like Lawyers. It's the 99% that make the other 1% look bad.

LOL!!

6 posted on 05/05/2004 12:23:24 PM PDT by randog (Everything works great 'til the current flows.)
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To: quidnunc
Personally, I think that any Muslim who publicly declares that he wants to be a martyr should be accommodated immediately. He gets what he wants, innocent people are safer: it's a win-win situation.

Reminds me of the most idiotic cliche of the current war, one that I heard Chris Matthews whining on "The Tonight Show" last week: "How can you fight an enemy that wants to die?!" Short answer: You kill him. Any more dumb questions?

7 posted on 05/05/2004 12:26:37 PM PDT by HHFi
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To: quidnunc
If they just oblige him and shoot him would not his wishes be fulfilled?
8 posted on 05/05/2004 12:30:44 PM PDT by Rummyfan
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To: HHFi
Reminds me of the most idiotic cliche of the current war, one that I heard Chris Matthews whining on "The Tonight Show" last week: "How can you fight an enemy that wants to die?!" Short answer: You kill him. Any more dumb questions?

LOL! Matthews is such an idiot!
9 posted on 05/05/2004 12:34:44 PM PDT by Rummyfan
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To: theDentist
I cannot understand why none of our leaders and military and intelligence experts have not been able to find a way around the paradigm wherein the Islamo-Jihadists have a drive to die as martyrs that is as strong as the drive of "civilized" people like us to live.

My solution is simple albeit brutal -- but perhaps not as brutal as the killing and dying that will continue to visit both sides until the "circle" is broken.

My suggestion is simple but repugnant to me as a Christian, but I believe that the logic and result is and will be akin to President Truman's decision to drop atomic bombs on two Japanese cities, thus ending the war in the Pacific and arguably saving millions of lives both American and Japanese.

Consider the following:

THE ISLAMO-JIHADISTS ARE WILLING AND INDEED SEEK TO DIE IN ORDER TO GAIN IMMEDIATE PARADAISICAL GLORY AT THE THRONE OF ALLAH. WE CAN SHORT-CIRCUIT THAT QUEST AND AT THE SAME TIME CREATE A POWERFUL DETERENT TO ISLAMO-JIHADISTS PRESENT AND FUTURE BY SIMPLY TAKING GREAT PAINS TO AVOID KILLING THEM IN THE COURSE OF ALL OF OUR ENCOUNTERS WITH THEM, WHETHER SUCH ARE RELATED TO DIRECT FIREFIGHTS (RARE BECAUSE THEY ARE SNEAKY COWARDS THAT MOST OFTEN KILL BY SURPRISE AND STEALTH) OR WHEN WE CAPTURE THEM BEFORE OR AFTER THEIR COMMISSION OF TERRORIST ACTS.

WE MUST SEEK TO INFLICT INJURIES WHICH ARE DEBILLITATING BUT NOT FATAL IN THE SHORT TERM; ENSURE THEIR RETURN TO THEIR HOMETOWNS AND FAMILIES; AND GIVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO SUFFER THE LONG-TERM HUMILIATION (THERE'S THAT KEY WORD AGAIN) OF LYING IN THEIR OWN FILTH AS THEY CONTINUE TO BE QUITE UNGLORIOUS AND UNVALIANT PIECES OF SHATTERED HUMANITY THAT WILL SERVE AS ANYTHING BUT AN INSPIRATION TO FUTURE HYENAS OF THEIR ILK.

WHEREIN WOULD BE THE GLORY RESERVED FOR THE MARTYRS THEY HAD SOUGHT TO BECOME? THEY WOULD HAVE DECADES TO CONSIDER THE ERROR OF THEIR WAYS AND DRAIN THE RESOLVE OF THEIR PRESENT AND FUTURE COMPATRIATES. THEIR FAMILIES WOULD CLAMOR FOR THE RESOURCES OF THE SAUDIS AND OTHERS WHO NOW SUPPORT TERRORIST MOVEMENTS AROUND THE WORLD.

THE VERY SIGHT OF THEM WOULD SEND A CHILL THROUGH THE "ARAB STREET" AND SERVE AS A WARNING TO ALL THAT THE DAYS OF WINE AND ROSES ARE OVER AND THAT THE EAGLE FINALLY HAS LOST ITS PATIENCE AND MEANS BUSINESS FOREVER MORE.

AND THOSE OF US WHO HARKEN TO THE COMMANDMENT "THOU SHALT NOT KILL (MURDER)" COULD AVOID KILLING THOSE WHO OTHERWISE WOULD SEEK TO KILL US........

10 posted on 05/05/2004 12:34:53 PM PDT by tracer
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To: Rummyfan
But they don't qualify for the 72 raisins unless they kill others in the process.
11 posted on 05/05/2004 12:41:07 PM PDT by Eastbound
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To: quidnunc

The question to someone who says "I want to die" is always "Well, why haven't you, then?"
12 posted on 05/05/2004 12:43:47 PM PDT by atomicpossum (Hey, I wouldn't touch Camryn Manheim's uterus on a bet.)
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To: Eastbound
Where they're going they will be told "No soup for you!"
13 posted on 05/05/2004 12:57:35 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty
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To: jtminton
Other jihadists are most fond of him..
14 posted on 05/05/2004 12:58:46 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty
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To: sheik yerbouty
As Prophet R.A. Wilson would say, "No wife, no horse, no mustache." ;>
15 posted on 05/05/2004 3:24:52 PM PDT by Eastbound
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To: Eastbound
That's, "No burka, no camel, no beard."
16 posted on 05/05/2004 3:26:50 PM PDT by Eastbound
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To: quidnunc
Give him his wish.
17 posted on 05/05/2004 3:30:44 PM PDT by JimRed (Fight election fraud! Volunteer as a local poll watcher, challenger or district official.)
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wakey-wakey Mr. English
18 posted on 05/05/2004 3:40:31 PM PDT by King Prout (ChiComs salivate (Kerry: another Clinton) and leering say "I'll buy THAT for a dollar!")
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