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Former CIA Official: U.S. May Fall Like USSR
News Max ^ | May. 5, 2004 | Phil Brennan

Posted on 05/05/2004 3:50:32 PM PDT by yonif

Herb Meyer is calling for a holy war to save western civilization. But the former Reagan CIA official has a problem: Most people don’t know what it is he wants to save.

"We’ve forgotten what Western civilization is," Meyer told NewsMax.com. "We no longer teach it in the schools. If you come to the schools where I live and ask a group of high school students ‘what is Western Civilization?’ They’ll tell you it’s slavery, the oppression of women and we don’t recycle.”

But Western Civilization is not made up of our faults; all civilizations have those. Meyer contends, “It’s the rule of law, the idea of individual and economic rights, scientific inquiry - this is important stuff and our failure to teach our children what Western Civilization is may be the worst mistake we’ve ever made."

Meyer was not one just to ride into the sunset after his government service with Ronald Reagan. During the 1980s he served as Special Assistant to the Director of Central Intelligence, William J. Casey. Meyer played a key role in helping Ronald Reagan and Bill Casey win the cold war. Meyer was also one of the first analysts to predict the breakup of the Soveit empire.

Now, this former CIA analyst says it’s the U.S. and the West that may just crackup.

In fact, he has just produced a new video, The Siege of Western Civilization," that makes his point, and explains to Americans what we need to save.

Meyer also had a distinguished career in journalism. He's a former associate editor of Fortune, author of several books and dozens of published essays about politics and economics.

Meyer has put together the case – sometimes in shocking detail - the continuing assault on the very underpinnings of the civilization which has produced the concepts of religious and individual freedom, economic liberty, and the rule of law which have guided mankind for centuries.

This foundation of civilization led to a flowering of art and literature, monumental scientific discoveries and a living standard unmatched in all history.

But now Meyer is worried Americans today are willing to lose it all because they have no idea of how it all came about.

He argues that there has been an assault against Western civilization.

This attack he sees as three pronged:

A new civil war fought against the existence of any moral code governing conduct

A war against the kind of population growth required to sustain a nation’s economy and the welfare of its elderly people

An attack by a brand of Islam which seeks nothing less than to subjugate the Western world. This video is available on dvd or cassette, and is one every high school student in America and their parents should see.

Meyer tackles all three threats and explains what has to be done if Western Civilization and its incredible benefits are not to be vanquished.

"People want to be talked to seriously about the issues that confront us," Meyer explained. "They want to be talked to about the war, about our culture and about our economy. What they need more than anything else, is a way to pull it together, to connect the dots so that they have a context for following the news and for understanding what’s happening out there, and that’s what we tried to do in the video: To give them that context, to connect the dots, for them."

Population Suicide

You don’t hear much about it, but the Western world and Japan are in the process of committing population suicide – and America is not far behind.

Current birthrates in England, France, Germany, Italy, Spain and in Japan are far below what its required for a society to reproduce itself and sustain a healthy economy.

Russia is a population basket case. To reproduce itself, the birthrate must be 2.1 children per family. In Europe it’s almost half that, and in the U.S. it’s now 2.0 and headed down. In a mere 20 years, the population of some European nations and Japan will have dropped by an astonishing 30 percent.

"We seem to have forgotten what every primitive society understands: you need children," Meyer told NewsMax.com.

"They are a blessing obviously, but from a practical point of view they are consumers which an economy needs and then they grow up and become taxpayers. If you don’t have a big enough tax base you simply cannot generate the wealth to take care of the older people.

"And that’s what’s happening in Western Civilization today. We simply don’t have enough working age people to support the retired people.

"It’s the worst in Europe and Japan and we are obviously on the same trajectory. We can see what’s happening in Europe and Japan, so we have some time to deal with it."

Meyer says a second civil war is being waged against the culture of Western Civilization by hordes of neo-barbarians.

No Rules

"Back in the 1960s we just decided to throw away the rule book. We said ‘You don’t need rules anymore; everybody do whatever you want. If it feels good, do it.' That was a terrible mistake and we’re paying a price for it now. We expanded rights but no one wants to take responsibilities. You have to match the two. If you’re going to have more rights, you have to have more responsibility, but we want the rights without the responsibility."

And there is a worldwide war of terrorism against Western Civilization being waged by the fanatical wing of Islam.

Radical Islam Wants Us Gone

While noting that there are millions of good and decent Muslims in the world Meyer warns that "There is within Islam a radical streak and when the radicals are in charge, Islam attacks Western Civilization.

"It did that in the 7th century, it did again in the 15th and 16th centuries, and it’s doing it now in the 21st century. What we call the War on Terror, is in fact radical Islam’s third attack on Western Civilization. Terrorism is the tactic they are using."

Meyer insists, "We have to go back and understand just what it is we are fighting for. And when you understand Western Civilization then you have a very clear sense of who the enemy is, what they are attacking and why it’s worth defending."


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: herbmeyer; militantislam; us; ussr; waronterrorism; westerncivilization
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To: Travis McGee
You think the United States might fall apart into smaller nations?
21 posted on 05/05/2004 4:16:11 PM PDT by AntiGuv (When the countdown hits zero - something's gonna happen..)
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To: nygoose
I'm not sure. Whatever the current first-line medication for histrionic personality disorder....
22 posted on 05/05/2004 4:17:44 PM PDT by AntiGuv (When the countdown hits zero - something's gonna happen..)
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To: Just mythoughts
Those things you mention are one thing. Falling like the USSR is quite another..
23 posted on 05/05/2004 4:18:43 PM PDT by AntiGuv (When the countdown hits zero - something's gonna happen..)
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To: Fitzcarraldo
To answer you last question: it would be a start.

But the worst that lies ahead is conflict within our own borders. There are no guarantees, either. Rome lasted as a republic for what - 600 years? Yet some still spoke of the 'Roman Empire' as late as as 800 AD. It existed as a fiction. Rome fell when Romans stopped being Romans, when they lost the sense of the ideas, traditions and culture that held their civilization together. As will America.

There is nothing that says that another, crueler, dark age can't fall upon the world once again.

24 posted on 05/05/2004 4:18:53 PM PDT by Noumenon (There's nothing wrong with the Left that can't be cured with a rope, a knife or a .45)
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To: Steve_Seattle
Europe is not the United States. Perhaps Europe will become Islamicized some day. Who knows? (I personally doubt it). That's still a big difference from the United States falling apart like the former Soviet Union did..
25 posted on 05/05/2004 4:20:11 PM PDT by AntiGuv (When the countdown hits zero - something's gonna happen..)
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To: yonif; AntiGuv; Steve_Seattle; AngieGOP
The Newsmax headline (which is inflammatory, hyperbole, and something of a red herring - "like USSR" implies what, that we'll be outspent in an arms race?) does not fairly correspond to the content of the article outlining Meyer's views (he makes a lot of good and important points).

Read the article, not the headline.

26 posted on 05/05/2004 4:21:22 PM PDT by Dr. Frank fan
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To: R. Scott
I think you meant all regimes eventually fall or something like that. Some modern nations (e.g., China) have been around in some form or another since antiquity.
27 posted on 05/05/2004 4:21:41 PM PDT by AntiGuv (When the countdown hits zero - something's gonna happen..)
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To: AntiGuv
I think the Union is becoming unstable again, and we need to be lucky to survive.
28 posted on 05/05/2004 4:22:29 PM PDT by Jim Noble (Now you go feed those hogs before they worry themselves into anemia!)
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To: AntiGuv
Say what you will, but I believe the same thing will happen and perhaps even within the next ten years.

The question you need to ask yourself is "When are you going to be prepared to stand up and say enough?"

29 posted on 05/05/2004 4:23:22 PM PDT by expatguy (Fallujah Delenda Est!!)
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To: Noumenon; archy
#6 Well said!
30 posted on 05/05/2004 4:24:30 PM PDT by monkeywrench
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To: Fitzcarraldo
If we wiped Mecca and Medina and all capital cities of the Islamic world off the map would that win the war?

If the islamic holy sites are destroyed, yes, islam will die. It can do nothing else - it is totally predicated on being superior and able to show superiority by overshadowing other religions.

Actually, Mecca and a couple more like the al Aqsa mosque might be enough.

32 posted on 05/05/2004 4:26:42 PM PDT by DonaldDuke
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To: expatguy
What am I supposed to say "enough" to? The whole point of the article as that we're not having enough kids. What am I supposed to do about that? I already oppose our silent 'open borders' illegal labor policies and I'm also pro-life. What more can I do?

If I want to wail and gnash teeth about something I can't do anything about then I'll wait for it to be a reality first...
34 posted on 05/05/2004 4:28:00 PM PDT by AntiGuv (When the countdown hits zero - something's gonna happen..)
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To: yonif
Here is my argument against his three points.

1. Our population continues to increase.
2. They still teach civics in school, right?
3. Radical Islam will most likely destroy themselves and the host countries before they could even touch US.
35 posted on 05/05/2004 4:30:09 PM PDT by Fishing-guy (AL)
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To: Fishing-guy
Radical Islam will most likely destroy themselves and the host countries before they could even touch US.

Militant Islam has already touched us and is spreading in the US. Political correctness from our part allows it to continue to spread unhindered.

36 posted on 05/05/2004 4:32:26 PM PDT by yonif ("So perish all Thine enemies, O the Lord" - Judges 5:31)
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To: Noumenon
The next civil war will be between the red zones and the blue zones on the map.

It will be between socialist urban population centers, and rural self-sufficient individualsts.
38 posted on 05/05/2004 4:34:03 PM PDT by PokeyJoe (This tagline has been outsourced to India. U be having a grape slushee today saheeb?)
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To: backtothestreets
CIA Zing!!! ;)
40 posted on 05/05/2004 4:34:29 PM PDT by BossLady (What do your choices cost you????)
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