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Another Absurdity From the New York Times (and Question to Senator Kerry)
ChronWatch ^ | Saturday, May 08, 2004 | Edward L. Daley

Posted on 05/08/2004 6:03:28 AM PDT by fight_truth_decay

A New York Times editorial published on May 5 and titled ''The Torture Photos'' begins with the following words. ''It seems gloomily possible that in years to come, when people in the Middle East recall the invasion of Iraq, they will speak not of lost American lives or the toppling of a brutal dictator. The most enduring image of the occupation may be those pictures of grinning American soldiers torturing Iraqi prisoners.''

Now, I don't know who the author of this piece is, because the Times on-line edition doesn't include the name of the author. Maybe the print edition does, but I don't actually pay to read this sort of tripe, so I wouldn't know. Be that as it may, while the author could be one of several people on the editorial staff, the individual responsible for its publication is the editorial page editor, Gail Collins, so I will treat her as if she actually wrote it.

Ms. Collins asserts that the people of the Middle East may have stronger remembrances of images of American soldiers ''torturing'' Iraqi prisoners than lost American lives. In the first place, let me just point out that it's highly unlikely American sacrifices will ever be their primary concern, no matter what happens in Iraq. Oh, they may well remember the deaths of our soldiers, but I doubt those memories will be accompanied by a sense of regret or sadness on the part of most Middle Easterners.

Secondly, anyone who looks back on this time in history and gives these few isolated incidents of abuse by Americans a superordinate place in their memory, above the multitude of other events surrounding the invasion and rebuilding of Iraq, is not someone who's opinion I very much value. While the incidents in question are not something I condone, when one compares them to the countless atrocities perpetrated by our enemies against both coalition troops and innocent civilians alike, I find it difficult to feel lasting sympathy for the enemy prisoners who were mistreated.

Sure, it shouldn't have happened, and the people responsible should be punished, but let's not forget who we're talking about here. The victims of this abuse were un-uniformed enemy combatants, who were caught fighting on the side of Saddamite guerillas and terrorists! Do I need to remind this woman what these people are all about or the sort of acts they are capable of committing?

The article continues with the assertion that such potential abuses by our soldiers were things that ''the Bush administration should have worried about long ago, and taken far more care to avert.'' Excuse me, but I think this administration has had a few more pressing concerns than the welfare of our enemies up to this point. Clearly it is not the policy of the United States to abuse prisoners of war, but the fact remains that it happens. It has happened in every military conflict in world history and it will continue to happen in the future. Heck, even John Kerry admitted to committing war atrocities during his short tour in Vietnam. The dynamics involved aren't too hard to wrap your brain around. You see, soldiers HATE THEIR ENEMIES! Sometimes that hatred overwhelms people in high stress situations, and they act out in unprofessional and even contemptible ways.

President Bush is not responsible for the wrongful acts of these individuals. They knew damned well that what they were doing was wrong, and even the claim by some that they were ordered to commit these acts does not excuse them from responsibility. No soldier is compelled to carry out an illegal order. Everyone of them knows that, and frankly, the soldiers in the photographs which started this whole controversy don't look like they were acting under duress. In fact, they look downright pleased with themselves. Should the president have drafted an order to every man and woman in the military reiterating the rules of prisoner treatment, even though they are all aware of those rules?

At some point you have to leave soldiers alone to do the jobs they have been trained for. When one of them screws up, you punish him and move on. What you don't do is run around pointing the finger at everyone else for the misdeeds of that individual. Unless it is clear that someone of a higher rank ordered them to commit a crime, they alone are responsible for what they do. Of course, the concept of personal responsibility doesn't sit well with the liberal media. People like Gail Collins seem to think that the president should be held accountable for what a small percentage of soldiers do. That's sort of like blaming Bill Gates when your local computer store salesman overcharges you for the latest version of Windows.

Ms. Collins also remarks in her article that Bush has characterized the incidents in question as ''the aberrant work of a handful of men and women,'' although as many as 20 investigations into abuse claims are currently underway in Iraq and Afghanistan. Considering the fact that we're talking about a fighting force of around 150,000 soldiers, I'd say that the president's portrayal of these events is pretty accurate. A larger percentage of college students commit serious crimes every year than our soldiers in the field do, if these numbers are any measure.

I also noticed that Ms. Collins questioned the veracity of Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld when he stated that accusations of a cover-up were unfounded. While she admits the military announced to the public in January that it was investigating prisoner of war abuse claims, Collins seems to be under the impression that because she and her Bush-hating cronies at the New York Times were not given specifics about these cases, Rummy has been trying to pull a fast one. Perhaps it never occurred to her that allegations of abuse, primarily by terrorists and their sympathizers, does not mean that such acts actually took place in most of those cases, and that prematurely releasing sensitive information about these investigations might unnecessarily inflame the already unstable situation in Iraq.

In the final paragraph of her editorial, Gail Collins goes so far as to say that the Bush administration has been ''cheerfully denying'' that it has made miscalculations concerning it's execution of the war. This sort of rhetoric is just plain idiotic. Suggesting that the president or any person in his administration has behaved in some way other than seriously when it comes to addressing the countless life and death issues surrounding the war in Iraq is childish at best. It's just another cheap shot taken at the president for political reasons by a person with no viable point of view and no sense of decency.

Edward L. Daley is the owner of The Daley Times-Post, whose website is: http://users.adelphia.net/~thofab/index2.htm. He receives e-mail at: darcprynce@hotmail.com.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: abuse; gailcollins; newyorktimes; photos; scandal
Heck, even John Kerry admitted to committing war atrocities during his short tour in Vietnam... and he's running for President of the United States.

Question to Sen.Kerry:
If in your wildest dream, you became President of the United States and were asked by the press what punishment should be applied to those soldiers involved in the 60 Minutes /Iraqi enemy combatant prisoner scandal..what would you say?

After having served for four months in Vietnam, you returned with --how many ribbons or medals was that?-- and went before Congress giving a detailed report of atrocities you witnessed and participated while in Nam..and may I quote in part your testimony just to refresh your memory:

You said American soldiers
''raped, cut off ears, cut off heads,
taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals
and turned up the power, cut off limbs,
[had] blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians,
razed villages, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks,
and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam"

...that there never was a communist threat in Vietnam. You even took videos.

Therefore, Mr. Kerry, do you believe that during war time; your 'testimony' changed the way the world perceived the United States militarily and morally as well as placed those Americans engaged in the war and POW's in even more danger?

1 posted on 05/08/2004 6:03:29 AM PDT by fight_truth_decay
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To: fight_truth_decay
Who leaked the photographs??

Why are the demoncrats not screaming for the leaker's head, ala "memogate."

Yeah, I know, it's because a demonrat probably did the leaking to help their cause of getting J F'n K elected.
2 posted on 05/08/2004 6:11:54 AM PDT by CPOSharky (Four months in charge of a six-man boat trumps four years as Commander-in-Chief. Yeah, right.)
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To: CPOSharky
Term limits for government employees.
3 posted on 05/08/2004 6:17:10 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: fight_truth_decay
I would like to ask John F-ing Kerry how he managed to turn a 12 month tour into 4 months. I could have used this knowledge at one time.
4 posted on 05/08/2004 6:25:19 AM PDT by Piquaboy
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To: fight_truth_decay
Maybe it's time we elected a President and a government that stood up and told the Islamic world "Throughout the history of our two civilizations (if the Islamic world can be considered civilized), we have fought. There was never a conclusive battle, as neither side had the edge in weaponry or population. That situation has permanently changed to the favor of Western Christianity."

"We wish you no harm, but you will cease and desist from all hostile activity against the West, or that final, conclusive battle will take place, and it will last no more than a day. You now have a choice - live peacefully on this earth with us, or go to Allah. Choose wisely."

5 posted on 05/08/2004 6:29:39 AM PDT by Hardastarboard
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To: fight_truth_decay
Excellent question. Kerry's answer will depend on the audience.
6 posted on 05/08/2004 6:33:13 AM PDT by kabar
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To: fight_truth_decay
sKerry won't answer the question, of course. But I can virtually guarantee he'll start his "answer" with, "I have a plan..."

This idiot has so many plans I'm surprised he has time for anything else. Always planning, always planning...

7 posted on 05/08/2004 6:55:02 AM PDT by upchuck (Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm. - W. Churchill)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
Term limits for government employees.

All of them.

8 posted on 05/08/2004 7:00:21 AM PDT by quantim (Victory is not relative, it is absolute.)
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To: upchuck
Kerry cannot even be creative in his own 'bumper sticker political lingo'..

"I have a plan"..from King's "I have a dream". Kerry would be wise to change 'his plan' to 'his dream', as that is just what it is. A dream for him and a nightmare for America.
9 posted on 05/08/2004 7:08:46 AM PDT by fight_truth_decay
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To: CPOSharky
Hillary seemed to have known or have seen, as in Rumsfeld's opening remarks to her question: "How did you know that?"...he prefaced his reply.
10 posted on 05/08/2004 7:16:12 AM PDT by fight_truth_decay
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To: fight_truth_decay
The New Times Editorial totally lacks perspective.
But then again so does the media and the Democrats in congress.
Iraqi criminals slaughter and cook four Americans...
yet a series of hazing incidents assumes all attention.

Normally, the Democrats and the media...
claim sado-pictures and sado-film are art and...
demand that the 'art' be placed in a public museum and...
finance the exhibit through the US National Endowment for the Arts and ...
strong-arm everyone through the ACLU!!!
11 posted on 05/08/2004 7:26:22 AM PDT by ricks_place
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To: fight_truth_decay
I know a guy who says "I have a plan"...but when HE says it, people run and hide. Not that HIS plans don't work : he's brilliant and an excellent soldier and officer. It's just that he's a crazy SOB and his plans tend to be crazy too.

Whever I see Kerry's "I have a plan" slogan, I think "Oh no...run for your life!"

12 posted on 05/08/2004 7:57:22 AM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions = Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: fight_truth_decay
I thik the quote was from the Dem senator from Arkansas--Pryor?
13 posted on 05/08/2004 8:01:33 AM PDT by wildbill
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To: fight_truth_decay
I never said medals OR ribbons...
I sad metal gibbons


14 posted on 05/08/2004 9:01:15 AM PDT by Bobber58 (whatever it takes, for as long as it takes)
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To: fight_truth_decay
The NY Times Editorial staff has thrown away all journalistic pretenses. They are now running full tilt propaganda, and they are doing this because they know that only a scandal in the Bush Administration can put a Democrat back into the White House.

...And they know that only a scandal will work for them because they themselves have nothing to offer per se. Democrats have no new ideas. They have no positive policy proposals. They've got nothing, save for some obsolete pro-abortion views from back before Roe v Wade 3 decades ago (and some anti-Vietnam War nonsense from even further back).

The funny part, however, is that their shrill rhetoric isn't working. They are smashing their integrity upon the rock of public opinion, yet the public still isn't going in their intended direction.

'Tis a thing of beauty to watch, actually.

15 posted on 05/08/2004 9:13:34 AM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: fight_truth_decay
If those people committed atrocities and are not fit to serve in the US military, then certainly an admitted murderer and torturer is not fit to sit in the Oval Office.
16 posted on 05/08/2004 9:17:15 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: fight_truth_decay
The Times has become a joke. Yesterday there was an article posted where a Times reporter had to interview the local media to find someone who might say something that bordered on bad about Bush. Pretty sad when you have the media interviewing the media.
17 posted on 05/08/2004 9:37:04 AM PDT by McGavin999 (If Kerry can't deal with the "Republican Attack Machine" how is he going to deal with Al Qaeda)
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To: CPOSharky
Who leaked the photographs??

One would think that in all of the ridiculous house and senate hearings, one of those idiots would rage on about prosecuting the idiots at CBS for treasonous behavior, and endangering the lives of the military. Not one word. No word from "pour me another one Kennedy" either. He just wants Rummy gone. That is the best he can come up with. The media has crossed the line.
18 posted on 05/08/2004 9:56:43 AM PDT by Terridan (God help us send these Islamic Extremist savages back into Hell where they belong...)
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To: Piquaboy
You didn't know about the "three purple hearts and you're out" rule? Obviously you weren't on a personal mission to pad your resume like lurch.
19 posted on 05/08/2004 10:08:52 AM PDT by meatloaf
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To: fight_truth_decay
President Bush is not responsible for the wrongful acts of these individuals.

Not true. Ultimately, he is responsible. The question is what to do about it.

20 posted on 05/08/2004 10:38:51 AM PDT by TankerKC (R.I.P. Spc Trevor A. Win'E American Hero)
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