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When Dumb is Dumber--Iraq Prison
townhall.com ^ | 5-8-2004 | Kathleen Parker

Posted on 05/09/2004 6:04:35 AM PDT by ontos-on

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May 8, 2004

When President Bush told the world that abuses at Abu Ghraib prison do not reflect American values, he was right. The best American values, in spirit if not always in practice, respect human life, dignity and the rule of law.

But some of what happened at Abu Ghraib, specifically the sexualized humiliations, may reflect American culture, especially in the instance of the naked human pyramid, which is nearly iconographic within the adolescent zeitgeist that spawned our current generation of soldiers.

The images from Abu Ghraib, now irreversibly tattooed on the Arab brain, were every frat-house cliche magnified. The human pyramid, males mooning, masturbation, bags over heads. What we saw, at least in part, was "The Farrelly Brothers Do Baghdad."

How else to explain the giddy photographs of young soldiers mugging for cameras and giving the thumbs-up sign beside humiliated prisoners, naked and masturbating? Another Farrelly movie, "Dumb and Dumber," comes to mind

I don't want to overstate my case by insisting that the culture made 'em do it, but we'd be missing a few dots if we didn't admit that the culture that birthed our young soldiers has dumbed down the definition of human dignity.

The Farrelly Brothers - kings of the gross-out comedy film genre characterized by scatological humor and raunchy sex jokes - are convenient touchstones in the larger discussion about the debasing of American culture. In their side-splitter for the developmentally arrested, "There's Something About Mary," the male star gets his genitals stuck in a zipper. Later when he pleasures himself, he misplaces his "issue," which subsequently becomes hair gel for "Mary."

Don't ask.

Such is what has passed for culture for many of the kids now populating our military. My point: There's not much difference between what those soldiers enacted in Abu Ghraib for digital cameras and 15 seconds of instafame back home and what America's increasingly debased culture embraces as good harmless fun.

Quickly, I want to draw a clear distinction between the photographs of naked prisoners and other reports of physical torture. There's no excuse for either - no justification, no exit from a full hearing and appropriate punishment - but there is a difference.

In a 53-page report about Abu Ghraib completed in February, Maj. Gen. Antonio M. Taguba noted that some abuse of detainees went beyond anything we might construe as mere hazing and probably meets most definitions of torture. One excerpt, for example, reads:

"Breaking chemical lights and pouring the phosphoric liquid on detainees; pouring cold water on naked detainees; beating detainees with a broom handle and a chair; threatening male detainees with rape ... sodomizing a detainee with a chemical light and perhaps a broom stick ..."

No, it's not Saddam's plastic shredder, but these examples clearly violate the Geneva Conventions, that tenuous thread to civilization to which we cling during wartime. Heads should roll, publicly and swiftly.

Meanwhile, the other psychological tortures - the dehumanizing images of naked men forced to perform as sex slaves - have provoked the most outrage in the Arab world where men being naked in front of other men is deeply humiliating. Being forced into the posture of a woman is as bad as it gets.

Perhaps most shocking of all the photographs were those showing young female soldiers ridiculing their male captives - behind a stack of bare male bottoms, or pointing at the genitals of a masturbating prisoner. In one account, a young woman gleefully reports that one of the prisoners under her watch has become tumescent. And then, might we presume, giggle, giggle?

How did such depravity come to pass? How could our bright and brave young people come to behave so stupidly? While some claim they were merely following orders, surely those orders didn't include posing for pictures. At the same time they're displaying for their pictorial diaries, the soldiers seem bereft of historical conscience, unburdened by any awareness of larger - and lethal - contexts into which their frat-house scrapbooks might be placed.

To them, it seems, Abu Ghraib was just another photo op, an after-hours party sans grown-ups to inhibit their jaunty trip through a Heronymous Bosch garden of perverse delights. Farrelly, farrelly, farrelly, farrelly life is but a dream.

We can't blame America's culture entirely, but as we're trying to change the hearts and minds of others, we might take a closer look at our own. You can't steep a teabag in sewerage and expect it to taste like Earl Gray.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: iraq; iraqipow; kathleenparker; prison; sexualizedamerica; widerproblem
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The underlying problem revealed in the Iraq prison case is the sexualization and mores of American youth now serving in the military. Combine that with the politically correct educations which have been visited on American youth, there is a particular inability to discern the need for discretion in the theater of operations. Parker's column points ot soem of these issues. Also, the role of contemporary feminism in this prison abuse story is not being reported or even hinted at. Without a clarification to the troops that the mission is not to bring 21st century feminism to Iraq, there will be little progress in making more realistic improvements in Iraq and in the middle east.
1 posted on 05/09/2004 6:04:35 AM PDT by ontos-on
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To: ontos-on
I'm not a big fan of Kathleen Parker but this op-ed is actually quite good.
2 posted on 05/09/2004 6:09:25 AM PDT by AntiGuv (When the countdown hits zero - something's gonna happen..)
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To: ontos-on
Or maybe since torture is unfortunately out, it was just the most humiliating thing they could think to do with these worthless arab terrorists.

I'm going to write the Pentagon and suggest instead they feed these prisoners salty food and deny them water. Nobody could withstand that for more than a few days before they become desperate and talk.

3 posted on 05/09/2004 6:11:35 AM PDT by rageaholic
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To: ontos-on
Wow, the culture made them do it!! Fantastic, so the obvious corrective action is full fledged censorship of everything so that the government, in its wisdom, can fix the culture, right? NOT

The last thing we need is more government in any sphere of our lives. Yet that is the first thing that modern neo-conservatives think about. Old fashioned conservatives, in which group I include myself, know better. Government is the cause, not the cure for our problems.

Those soldiers would not have been doing these atrocities if they were back home doing normal civilian work (except those who were prison guards, of course). The pointless war, started by our government, is the root cause of this problem.

When you fight a war, it is natural for the military to instill hate of the enemy in its soldiers. How else to get them to shoot to kill other soldiers of their age, none of whom has any influence on national policy? That hate exists 24/7 and shows up in the handling of prisoners.

The only way to reduce this horror is to not fight wars randomly, but save the horror for when you really need to, true self defense.

4 posted on 05/09/2004 6:19:24 AM PDT by Mike4Freedom (Freedom is the one thing that you cannot have unless you grant it to everyone else.)
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To: ontos-on
I know a guy that accidentally broke a chemical-light in his mouth.Besides looking strange as he choked the fluid out,it only gave him a sore throat for a few days.

Is the chemical-light liquid really all that bad?

5 posted on 05/09/2004 6:31:50 AM PDT by Free Trapper (One with courage is often a majority.)
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To: ontos-on
What's the big deal? It's only about sex, nothing here, time to move on.

/sarcasm off

6 posted on 05/09/2004 6:36:33 AM PDT by Condor51 ("Diplomacy without arms is like music without instruments." -- Frederick the Great)
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To: Mike4Freedom
I wont address your opinion about the wisdom of the war.

Your 'keep government out' is a lttle too late. The government is up to its eyeballs in our education, employment and mores.

BTW, to point to a sexualization problem in our society is not to urge that the government solve it. Perhaps it is you who think that the only effective force in the society is the government. Look at the issues and try to think more deeply than a puddle-jump reaction.

7 posted on 05/09/2004 6:46:59 AM PDT by ontos-on
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To: ontos-on
While I think that Kathleen has a point, her point is barely more than a pebble in a very big road. If we buy into her premise, then she, like most of the lamestream media, is castigating ALL of our troops with the influence of the Farrelly brothers as opposed to the handful actually involved.

While the Farrellys might have had a tiny amount of influence, the bigger issue is that those involved in these behaviors lack any functioning gray matter between their ears to let them know that what they did was wrong. They also lack respect for their fellow human (former enemy combatant or otherwise) and they failed to understand the responsibility that had been placed in their hands with the capture and imprisonment of those Iraqis. Those people were NOT there for our troops' amusement, they were there because they still represented a continuing threat to coalition forces.

There are better ways to control and "soften" those prisoners up for interrogation than what those soldiers did. While they are sitting in Leavenworth contemplating their incredible stupidity, I hope they develop some perspective and inderstand that what they did was wrong. After all, in Leavenworth, they will be in the same situation as the prisoners they were assigned to guard. How would they like to be treated?
8 posted on 05/09/2004 6:51:17 AM PDT by DustyMoment (Repeal CFR NOW!!)
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To: ontos-on
Although I am too old to volunteer anymore, it's a good thing I was not in charge of the "detainees."

They would have looked forward to the pyramid.
9 posted on 05/09/2004 7:37:17 AM PDT by MonroeDNA (Hillary was in charge of the FBI files, which went into a data base: WHoDB. Genious ackers, expose)
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To: ontos-on
So far, I haven't seen anything in the pictures that isn't purported to have happened in just about any Frat house hazing ceremony in any university... Or what about abuses in our own prison system? Nothing new here.
10 posted on 05/09/2004 8:26:12 AM PDT by HetLoo
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To: ontos-on
..."specifically the sexualized humiliations, may reflect American culture, especially in the instance of the naked human pyramid,"...

wasn't this "funded by a grant" from the NEA?

11 posted on 05/09/2004 8:29:29 AM PDT by hoot2
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To: Free Trapper
Is the chemical-light liquid really all that bad?


Recalling my youth: it does taste pretty bad. But it is cool when your tongue glows in the dark, at least to an adolescent.
12 posted on 05/09/2004 8:30:29 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Your Friendly Freeper Patent Attorney)
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To: ontos-on
The young American female soldier who laughed when the Iraqi prisoner became "tumescent" -- is that a definition of "balls breaker"?
13 posted on 05/09/2004 8:31:59 AM PDT by Ciexyz
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To: hoot2
wasn't this "funded by a grant" from the NEA?


The photos remind me of Mapplethorpe's.

Does anyone doubt that in an all-male unit, this homoerotic abuse would not have happened?

Can any vets tell me if they have ever heard of such homoerotic abuses of prisoners in all-maleunits?
14 posted on 05/09/2004 8:32:12 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Your Friendly Freeper Patent Attorney)
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To: HetLoo
Or what about abuses in our own prison system? Nothing new here.

Yes, this type of abuse happens in our domestic prison system. Does that make it OK? NOT

We need to stop it from happening everywhere.

15 posted on 05/09/2004 8:40:44 AM PDT by Mike4Freedom (Freedom is the one thing that you cannot have unless you grant it to everyone else.)
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To: AntiGuv
this op-ed is actually quite good.

Best I've seen, and spot on.

Lynndie and company give a whole new import to Girls Gone Wild, do they not?

16 posted on 05/09/2004 8:49:47 AM PDT by iconoclast
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To: ontos-on
The government is up to its eyeballs in our education, employment and mores.

Yes and a good conservative wants to fix that. George Bush wants to spread the government into more of our lives (Think: No Child Left Behind)and thus he is no conservative. At least no conservative that I could ever support.

Now don't go calling me a Kerry supporter. He is a big government type just the same. Both will spend wildly, just not on the same things. Neither one is fit to serve. There is no alternative but the Libertarian candidate (who will be decided by May 31.)

17 posted on 05/09/2004 8:52:13 AM PDT by Mike4Freedom (Freedom is the one thing that you cannot have unless you grant it to everyone else.)
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To: ontos-on
Abu Gharib, other parts of the picture. (An Interview with an Iraqi citizen)
18 posted on 05/09/2004 8:54:42 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: Beelzebubba
Now every time I see one of your posts,I'll be picturing you with a glowing tongue. ;)
19 posted on 05/09/2004 9:09:28 AM PDT by Free Trapper (One with courage is often a majority.)
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To: Mike4Freedom
Those soldiers would not have been doing these atrocities if they were back home doing normal civilian work

After which they head out to t*tt* bars where all sorts of depraved entertainments amuse them.

20 posted on 05/09/2004 9:20:26 AM PDT by Aliska
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