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Abuse....fits in nicely with America's touchy feely socialist nightmare lunancy themes 'domestic abuse' 'spousal abuse' 'child abuse' and now.....'terrorist abuse'

The question is ..imo..did this 'humilition techniques' come down from DOD...was the idea put in the commander's mind ..by a set of 'verbal suggestions' rather than formal orders?....They made sure only certain individuals got a 'get out of jail free card on this one'

Did the civilian contractors desire the terrorists to be mentally 'softened up' prior to interrogation?

Where these techniques effective in getting terrorists to turn on their muslims comrades and give up weapons cache sites...personnel running the guerrilla war against U.S. and coalition troops...

Did the softened up terrorists give the civilian contractors the intel needed to interdict supplies men equipment finances from outside sources...where they able to piece together the terrorist guerilla infrastructure...

If so then these techiniques SAVED U.S. Lives...and Iraqi lives...and are shortening the war on terror...

If you cant beat it out of them and you cant humiliate it out of them...then you arent going to get anything meaningfull out of them...they just have to outlast you...getting their three hots and a cot compared to living as they did...not such a bad tradeoff...

The men and women who are now being hung out to dry have been fighting for us for a long time...and were getting results...with humiliation techniques...

Now Rummie and Pres Bush run for cover...pointing fingers at what they now call "rogue troops"
yet none of the 'Civilian Contractor" interogators seem to be aware of what was happening to the terrorists they interogated prior to getting their hands on them?

Hang the little people out to dry...for political expediency...

Scapegoats of the empire...sacrificed for nation building....

Carla Faye Tucker learned all about it...a few years ago....

The two party cabal offers us Kerry as the alternative....how convienent...

Rumsfeld said he took "FULL RESPONSIBILITY" in last week's congressional hearings.

To remove Rumsfeld would be a huge political victory for the Dems in a critical election cycle and would occur purely on political grounds motivated only to remove the Bush administration from office.

The resulting effect would be Kerry succeeding as the Commander In Chief - UNNACCEPTABLE solution.

The men and women who are now being hung out to dry have been fighting for us for a long time...and were getting results...with humiliation techniques

Were they getting results? Many former military (some of whom are on this forum) say these humiliation techniques DO NOT WORK.

Carla Faye Tucker learned all about it...a few years ago....

Karla Faye Tucker was not a "scapegoat." She axe murdered two people, and was made to pay for it by the Texas justice system.

You have a strange set of heroes.