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There's Plenty of Shame to Go Around
IronJack ^ | May 10, 2004 | IronJack

Posted on 05/10/2004 3:54:35 PM PDT by IronJack

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It is utterly despicable that anyone is trying to score points off this regrettable lapse in discipline. But it is the type of action we've come to expect from the Left.
1 posted on 05/10/2004 3:54:35 PM PDT by IronJack
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To: IronJack
I'm listening to Hugh Hewitt and am amazed at how far out of line the comments of Levin and Kennedy have gotten.
2 posted on 05/10/2004 3:56:55 PM PDT by cripplecreek (you tell em i'm commin.... and hells commin with me.)
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To: IronJack
I agree. What happened at Abu Ghraib is miniscule when compared to what happened to us on 9/11. It will not suffice for us to apologize to people who don't like us anyway. The best course of action is to show how determined we are by not falling for the guilt trips that the traitors are trying to lay on us.
3 posted on 05/10/2004 4:02:12 PM PDT by cold_daknight
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To: IronJack
The second-guessers had a field-day with Vietnam.

That cannot happen again---..."We were naïve in Viet Nam. We’re not any more."
4 posted on 05/10/2004 4:07:33 PM PDT by jolie560
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If a few pervert soliders represent the USA, then the 911 hijackers represent all of Islam.
5 posted on 05/10/2004 4:13:28 PM PDT by Caipirabob (Democrats.. Socialists..Commies..Traitors...Who can tell the difference?)
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To: IronJack; prairiebreeze; Peach
As long as we’re handing out shame, save the lion’s share for the gadflys who are willfully blind to the successes of this mission but who are focused to distraction on its rare failures.

Amen. Thanks IJ......to distraction, and maybe to the jeopardy of our troops.

6 posted on 05/10/2004 4:24:44 PM PDT by Molly Pitcher
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"What happened at Abu Ghraib is miniscule when compared to what happened to us on 9/11."
That Sir! Says it all! I could NOT have put it any Better!
Sailorman
7 posted on 05/10/2004 4:45:15 PM PDT by Sailorman (Loose lips sinks Ships not to mention Airplanes, Bradleys and Humvees!)
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I cannot agree that the words "abuse" and "scandal" belong in quotes. That was definitely abuse and this is definitely a scandal.

The nation's enemies have been handed a propaganda coup that they will milk for decades. There's no use denying it. Nor does it make sense to deny that those repulsive photos will be in the public domain and a part of American history forever, in a certain sense forever sullying the shining city on a hill.

8 posted on 05/10/2004 4:52:59 PM PDT by beckett
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To: IronJack
Good stuff, IJ.
9 posted on 05/10/2004 4:54:03 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: cripplecreek
[I] am amazed at how far out of line the comments of Levin and Kennedy have gotten.

At first I was too. But consider the source ...

10 posted on 05/10/2004 5:08:15 PM PDT by IronJack
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To: cold_daknight
Good response. What do we have to feel guilty for?
11 posted on 05/10/2004 5:08:49 PM PDT by IronJack
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To: jolie560
The second-guessers had a field-day with Vietnam.

The Left has a very limited repertoire. They can always be trusted to fall back on some historic success that was at best an anomaly.

12 posted on 05/10/2004 5:10:07 PM PDT by IronJack
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If a few pervert soliders represent the USA, then the 911 hijackers represent all of Islam.

Dontcha know ... Generalizations only work AGAINST us, never in our favor.

13 posted on 05/10/2004 5:10:56 PM PDT by IronJack
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You got it, Molly. All the PC palaver about how proud they are of our fighting forces rings pretty hollow when the Kennedys and Daschles and Harkins are so willing to sell out the leadership for political gain.
14 posted on 05/10/2004 5:12:22 PM PDT by IronJack
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That was definitely abuse and this is definitely a scandal.

Well, I'm glad you're so easily convinced. I'm not. I'm not sure what is "abusive" about strip-searching enemy combatants. I don't know what constitutes a "scandal" when an investigation was launched immediately upon hearing the allegations.

And as for the mileage our enemies will get, so what? These aren't people who liked us anyway, and never will. If we served wine with the prisoners' meals, they'd hate us because it wasn't chilled properly. Why degrade yourself to curry favor with those who hate you?

And if those hateful images are to be part of America's legacy, how about the images of smoke-smudged soldiers handing out flowers to adoring schoolchildren, or Army nurses treating wounded civilians? How about a "before" and "after" of Abu Ghraib, you know, as it was under the previous management?

To hell with our enemies. Foreign and domestic.

15 posted on 05/10/2004 5:17:22 PM PDT by IronJack
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To: anniegetyourgun
Thanks, annie.
16 posted on 05/10/2004 5:17:54 PM PDT by IronJack
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I'm not sure what is "abusive" about strip-searching enemy combatants.

We're signatories to the Geneva Conventions. Anytime prisoners are treated outside those standards it is abuse. Forgive me but it's highly disingenuous to contend that these were "strip-searches," as if these people were naked during some kind of in-processing routine. Nor were they naked because the MPs were "following orders" (an obviously self-serving charge that I will believe only when I see hard evidence for it). They were naked because they were being humiliated for sport by incredibly undisciplined, foolish and sadistic American MPs.

I don't know what constitutes a "scandal" when an investigation was launched immediately upon hearing the allegations.

A scandal exists when American soldiers in uniform in a war zone film one another blatantly violating the Geneva Conventions, grinning like bozos all the while.

17 posted on 05/10/2004 6:11:35 PM PDT by beckett
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We're signatories to the Geneva Conventions.

Is Iraq?

Anytime prisoners are treated outside those standards it is abuse.

What provision of the Geneva Accords did we violate in taking pictures of naked prisoners? Different time, different war. And if this is the worst "abuse" our prisoners need fear, then they've got it pretty easy, compared to most other jailers.

Forgive me but it's highly disingenuous to contend that these were "strip-searches," as if these people were naked during some kind of in-processing routine. Nor were they naked because the MPs were "following orders" (an obviously self-serving charge that I will believe only when I see hard evidence for it). They were naked because they were being humiliated for sport by incredibly undisciplined, foolish and sadistic American MPs.

And you know this because ...?

A scandal exists when American soldiers in uniform in a war zone film one another blatantly violating the Geneva Conventions, grinning like bozos all the while.

An impropriety, yes. A distraction, yes. An ugly, forgettable incident, okay. But a "scandal?" Only if you and people like you buy into that designation. I don't.

18 posted on 05/10/2004 8:34:44 PM PDT by IronJack
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You managed to sift through all the fine points and cut straight to the real issue. The Abu Ghraib prison mess will be sorted out by the proper agencies. It's time to stop allowing the media, Democrats, and other countries to blur our focus on the task at hand. Fighting terrorism.
19 posted on 05/11/2004 12:31:49 AM PDT by Eagle9
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I'll remind you both of what a real scandal is.

President Clinton receiving blowjobs in the White House with a 21 year old intern to whom he was not married, lying about it to the American people on camera (complete with finger pointing), being found guilty of lying under oath, i.e., perjury, and being impeached, yet remaining in office.

That the press did not see all this as an embarrassment to our nation, but does see the actions of a few demented soldiers half-way around the world as such, is no surprise. What happened to their line, "It's only sex, and every one does it, and can't we just move on?"

20 posted on 05/11/2004 3:43:03 AM PDT by .30Carbine (Label me Conservative)
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