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Muslim Europe
FrontPageMagazine.com ^ | May 11, 2004 | Daniel Pipes

Posted on 05/11/2004 1:46:10 AM PDT by Remember_Salamis

Muslim Europe

By Daniel Pipes FrontPageMagazine.com | May 11, 2004

“Europe becomes more and more a province of Islam, a colony of Islam.” So declares Oriana Fallaci in her new book, La Forza della Ragione (The Force of Reason). And the famed Italian journalist is right: Christianity’s ancient stronghold of Europe is rapidly giving way to Islam.

Two factors mainly contribute to this world-shaking development.

· The hollowing out of Christianity. Europe is increasingly a post-Christian society, one with a diminishing connection to its tradition or its historic values. The numbers of believing, observant Christians has collapsed in the past two generations to the point that some observers call it the “new dark continent.” Already, analysts estimate Britain’s mosques host more worshippers each week than does the Church of England.

· An anemic birth rate. Indigenous Europeans are dying out. Sustaining a population requires each woman on average to bear 2.1 children; in the European Union, the overall rate is a one-third short, at 1.5 per woman, and falling. One study finds that, should current population trends continue and immigration cease, today’s population of 375 million could decline to 275 million by 2075. To keep its working population even, the EU needs 1.6 million immigrants a year; to sustain the present workers-to-retirees ratio requires an astonishing 13.5 million immigrants annually.

Into the void are coming Islam and Muslims. As Christianity falters, Islam is robust, assertive, and ambitious. As Europeans under-reproduce at advanced ages, Muslims do so in large numbers while young.

Some 5 percent of the EU, or nearly 20 million persons, presently identify themselves as Muslims; should current trends continue, that number will reach 10 percent by 2020. If non-Muslims flee the new Islamic order, as seems likely, the continent could be majority-Muslim within decades.

When that happens, grand cathedrals will appear as vestiges of a prior civilization (the jahiliya?) – at least until a Saudi-style regime transforms them into mosques or a Taliban-like regime blows them up. The great national cultures – Italian, French, English, and others – will likely wither, replaced by a new transnational Muslim identity that merges North African, Turkish, subcontinental, and other elements.

This prediction is hardly new. In 1968, the British politician Enoch Powell gave his famed “rivers of blood” speech in which he warned that in allowing excessive immigration, the United Kingdom was “heaping up its own funeral pyre.” (Those words stalled a hitherto promising career.) In 1973, the French writer Jean Raspail published Camp of the Saints, a novel that portrays Europe falling to massive, uncontrolled immigration from the Indian subcontinent. The peaceable transformation of a region from one major civilization to another, now underway, has no precedent in human history, making it easy to ignore such voices.

There is still a chance for the transformation not to play itself out, but the prospects diminish with time. Here are several possible ways it might be stopped:

· Changes in Europe that lead to a resurgence of Christian faith, an increase in childbearing, or the cultural assimilation of immigrants; such developments can theoretically occur but what would cause them are hard to imagine.

· Muslim modernization: For reasons no one has quite figured out (education of women? abortion on demand? adults too self-absorbed to have children?), modernity leads to a drastic reduction in the birthrate. Also, were the Muslim world to modernize, the attraction of moving to Europe would diminish.

· Immigration from other sources. Latin Americans, being Christian, would more or less permit Europe to keep its historic identity. Hindus and Chinese would increase the diversity of cultures, making it less likely that Islam would dominate.

Current trends suggest Islamization will happen, for Europeans seem to find it too strenuous to have children, stop illegal immigration, or even diversify their sources of immigrants. Instead, they prefer to settle unhappily into civilizational senility.

Europe has simultaneously reached unprecedented heights of prosperity and peacefulness – and shown a unique inability to sustain itself (one demographer, Wolfgang Lutz, notes that “Negative momentum has not been experienced on a large scale in world history”).

Is it inevitable that the most brilliantly successful society also be the first in danger of collapse due to a lack of cultural confidence and offspring? Ironically, creating a hugely desirable place to live would seem also to be a recipe for suicide. The human comedy continues.


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1 posted on 05/11/2004 1:46:11 AM PDT by Remember_Salamis
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To: Remember_Salamis
"If non-Muslims flee the new Islamic order, as seems likely, the continent could be majority-Muslim within decades."


Glad he writes this. I believe that there will be mass emigration from Europe to the USA in 20-30 years that could actually dwarf the immigration to the US of the late 19th century.
2 posted on 05/11/2004 1:48:49 AM PDT by boxsmith13
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To: Remember_Salamis
Most people in the West believe that Islam is a religion in the traditional sense of the word. However, this is a fateful misconception. Islam is not just a religion. It is much more than a religion. Muslims themselves describe their faith by saying, Islam is a Complete Way of Life. This is certainly a more apt description, because Islam is a religious, social, economic, educational, health, political, and philosophic way of life. In fact, Islam is an all-embracing socio-politico-religious utopian ideology that encompasses every field of human endeavor.

As an ideology, Islam promises an economic, political, social, and religious utopian world when the world finally submits to Allah and the rule of Shari'a law. The Islamic objective is to have all aspects of a nation's culture and institutions undergo gradual Islamization to yield an Islamic state obeying Shari'a Law.
3 posted on 05/11/2004 1:58:12 AM PDT by Jaysun (Islam is a man-made cult and the Quran is a terrorist manifesto.)
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To: boxsmith13
Eourope's remaining Christians will move to the last remaining major Juedo-Christian Nation-State: America. A mass immigration to Devoutly-Catholic South America is a possibility as well.

Fascinating.
4 posted on 05/11/2004 2:09:58 AM PDT by Remember_Salamis (Freedom is Not Free)
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To: Jaysun
***Islam promises an economic, political, social, and religious utopian world when the world finally submits to Allah and the rule of Shari'a law.


Won't happen.

The Chinese Christians have their eyes on the Muslims.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1037132/posts


"But when Christ ... sat down at the right hand of God, waiting from that time until his enemies should be made a footstool for his feet."

Islam too will find itself under the foot of the Master. May we live to see it!
5 posted on 05/11/2004 2:17:13 AM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: PetroniusMaximus
Islam too will find itself under the foot of the Master. May we live to see it!

May we indeed. I believe that we will. I wasn't making a prediction, I was stating some of their delusions.
6 posted on 05/11/2004 2:29:10 AM PDT by Jaysun (Islam is a man-made cult and the Quran is a terrorist manifesto.)
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To: Remember_Salamis
Inescapable conclusion : We will be rescuing France yet again when the fundamentalists take over and march through l'Arc de Triomphe.

But at the present rate of immigration in America I doubt we will have the will to fight either, the next time around.


BUMP

7 posted on 05/11/2004 2:49:11 AM PDT by tm22721 (May the UN rest in peace)
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To: Remember_Salamis
"Europe has simultaneously reached unprecedented heights of prosperity and peacefulness ...."

Only because the US and Britain have, more or less, run post WWII Europe, and other than letting a European work a copier machine or make some espresso, Europeans have had little say. No more. Hence the usual qualities of European political leadership have reasserted. That is, lying, theft, ordering each other about, incompetence, borrowing, trend blindness, self delusion and of course, the usual boot licking subservience of the the European peasantry so long as it's gullet is stuffed like any pig awaiting slaughter.

We ought to be careful of letting these Europeans in. They are not your great grandfathers Europeans. They are socialist/serf/communist/leftist to their core, and would join up with the Democrats, quickly transforming the US into what they have in Europe now. Maybe Patagonia, or the New Hebridies.

8 posted on 05/11/2004 3:48:11 AM PDT by Leisler (The Democrats. The nation's oldest organized crime family.)
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To: tm22721
I'd rather we be in Iraq, than France.
9 posted on 05/11/2004 3:49:32 AM PDT by Leisler (The Democrats. The nation's oldest organized crime family.)
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To: tm22721
lets take our sweet time in rescuing france or the rest of europe.....always good to watch them beg ....again
10 posted on 05/11/2004 3:51:04 AM PDT by rrrod
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To: boxsmith13
believe that there will be mass emigration from Europe to the USA

Sorry, U.S. immigration quotas a skewed against Europeans. Besides who wants a bunch of tired old weedy socialists adding themselves to the welfare roles.

11 posted on 05/11/2004 3:57:18 AM PDT by Jimmy Valentine's brother (My other brother's Buford)
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To: Remember_Salamis
The Europeans could import Mexicans. Evidently, they're too atherosclerotic even to manage that.

One thing's certain: Anybody who takes the Europeans' advice--or advocates emulating them--is a fool!

12 posted on 05/11/2004 3:59:09 AM PDT by Savage Beast (My parents, grandparents, and greatgrandparents were all Democrats. My children are Republicans.)
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To: Remember_Salamis
A couple of stray thoughts:

1) the author uses the term "negative momentum." What's that? His brain has negative momentum for using such post-modernistic, politically correctisms like this.

2) The current jfk is certainly fond of pionting at our Europeans brothers as a model for us and a friend we can't live without. But, correct me if I'm wrong, many of us are here, because of serious problems there.

13 posted on 05/11/2004 4:35:05 AM PDT by aardvark1 (You can't have everything...where would you put it? --Steven Wright)
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To: Remember_Salamis
I always enjoy reading a "The Sky is falling thread", will the Muslims take over Europe before or after the Civil War in America between the NWO using ex soviet equipment and The American Militia.

For all those who really enjoy doom scenarios here is one for you.

Its very boring but true.

Manufacturing jobs of to China.

Service industry jobs such as Front/Back office, software development, call centers, accounting amongst others of to India and the Philippines amongst others.

Tony

14 posted on 05/11/2004 4:43:53 AM PDT by tonycavanagh
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To: Savage Beast
In fact, many Latin Americans are finding their way to spain.

But it's a lot easier to get their from Africa. The Italians are actively recruiting in Latin America, but again it's easier to get their from the Middle East and Africa.

<The Italiuands are also looking for rescue from Poland, Lithuania, Rumania, Bulgaria, etc. Ha!

15 posted on 05/11/2004 5:27:56 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk
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To: Remember_Salamis
Euros have it too good to submit to Islamic rule. At some point, the pendulum will swing the other way. The Euros may look docile and girly now, but lets not forget we share the same roots, and they have a long history of bloody revolutions and couterrevolutions.

I predict that when Parisian women are ordered to cover their legs, all hell will break loose.

16 posted on 05/11/2004 5:48:00 AM PDT by rageaholic
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To: Remember_Salamis
Yeah, thanks to Nato and Klinton the muslims have a stronghold in Europe...in Bosnia and Kosovo. The Serbs would have prevented this had we not interferred and bombed the crap out of them. Klinton's legacy.
17 posted on 05/11/2004 5:53:28 AM PDT by MadelineZapeezda
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To: MadelineZapeezda
I agree. Slobbo should be granted a pardon and made Mayor of Baghdad.
18 posted on 05/11/2004 6:04:30 AM PDT by rageaholic
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To: Jaysun
In fact, Islam is an all-embracing socio-politico-religious Utopian ideology

Which seems uniquely adept at transforming societies into ignorant, poor, despotic hellholes.
19 posted on 05/11/2004 6:05:59 AM PDT by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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To: Remember_Salamis
The West -- especially Europe -- does not have the will to repel islam and the mohammedans. The European West is slowly committing suicide, and islam will be the eager gravedigger. The United States is another story, though. Half of us have the desire to confront the islamic menace, even if our government doesn't; and half of that half have the will do actually do something about it. But the time for action is running out. The mohammedans grow in number daily; we cannot wait much longer to erase this evil that has as its goal our complete oppression or ultimate death. Mark my words: We will have to fight islam sooner or later, but fight it we will have to do, because the alternative is unthinkable. Better for us that the fight be sooner.
20 posted on 05/11/2004 6:07:14 AM PDT by ought-six
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