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Applebee's will ban smoking
Tribune Chronicle ^ | 05/11/04 | Staff, wire reports

Posted on 05/11/2004 5:17:10 AM PDT by MissTargets

LEXINGTON, Ky. - Applebee's restaurants in Niles and Boardman will be among those in Ohio that will go nonsmoking after a decision by Thomas and King, the nation's 11th-largest restaurant operator, the company announced Monday.

The policy at the Niles restaurant will take effect Monday and be implemented at all stores by month's end, the company said. Robert Holmes, 83, of Warren said he'd like to see other restaurants follow Applebee's lead in the no-smoking policy.

''Second-hand smoke is known to be bad for people,'' Holmes said Monday at the Eastwood Mall. ''Smoking spoils my dinner.''

Holmes, a former tobacco user, said he has eaten at Applebee's in Niles several times.

Besides Ohio, the smoking ban also will take effect at the franchise company's Applebee's and Johnny Carino's restaurants in Kentucky, Arizona, Pennsylvania and Indiana locations, the company said. Franchises owned by other operators would not be affected.

Mike Scanlon, Thomas and King's chairman and chief executive officer and vice-mayor of Lexington, was a vocal supporter of the city's indoor smoking ban that went into effect April 27. Scanlon said the timing of the company's action was coincidental.

''I can see both sides of the issue,'' Scanlon said. ''However, as a businessman, I need to listen to my customers and do what I believe is right for my business.

''While this decision will inconvenience a small percentage of our customers, I am certain that our new policy will attract many new customers who are seeking a smoke-free dining experience,'' he added.

Some of Thomas and King's nearly 80 restaurants already are smoke-free, including those in cities with municipal smoking bans such as Lexington and Tucson, Ariz. Scanlon said three restaurants the company has opened in the last year - one each in Arizona, Ohio and Kentucky - are smoke-free by choice.

Six months ago, the company banned smoking for employees. Scanlon said two of the company's nearly 6,000 workers quit over the issue.

Applebee's, based in Overland Park, Kansas, operates about one-third of its locations with the rest run as franchises.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; US: Arizona; US: Indiana; US: Kentucky; US: Ohio
KEYWORDS: freedomfromsmoke; nomoreitchyeyes; pufflist; restaurant; smokingban; smokingbans; stench; stink
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There is a heavy population of smokers in Northeast Ohio. Looks like another restaurant I have to avoid
1 posted on 05/11/2004 5:17:11 AM PDT by MissTargets
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To: MissTargets
And they're gonna take their "flame-broiled, hickory smoked" steaks off the menu, also..
2 posted on 05/11/2004 5:18:48 AM PDT by ken5050 (Ann Coulter needs to have children ASAP to propagate her genes.....any volunteers?)
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To: *puff_list
smokers ping
3 posted on 05/11/2004 5:19:11 AM PDT by MissTargets
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To: MissTargets
Applebee's will bansmoking

That's just nuts. I hear that smoking affects the taste buds. If that's true, you'd think they'd roll out the red carpet for smokers, because the smokers would be less able to discern what the food really tastes like.

4 posted on 05/11/2004 5:23:32 AM PDT by Thinkin' Gal
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To: MissTargets
I banned Applebees long ago due to their bad menu and food.
5 posted on 05/11/2004 5:25:48 AM PDT by normy (Just cause you think you can box, doesn't mean you're ready to climb in the ring with Ali.)
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To: MissTargets
This is the way smoking bans are supposed to work, no government intervention on private property.

I wish them well.
6 posted on 05/11/2004 5:28:10 AM PDT by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary. You have the right to be wrong.)
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To: MissTargets
At least they're doing it of their own free will. The business consequences (good or bad) will be of their own making.

That's the way it should be.

I don't like the fumes that smoker spew out, so I would support them in this (if I liked the food).

7 posted on 05/11/2004 5:32:11 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Izzy Dunne; newgeezer
You two hit it on the head. Their ban isn't going to stop me, a reformed smoker, from going to their restaurant.

I never liked smoking (mine or others) when I was eating anyways.

8 posted on 05/11/2004 5:34:53 AM PDT by RedWing9 (No tag here... Just want to stay vague...)
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To: MissTargets
I should be forced to inhale your smoke because?
9 posted on 05/11/2004 5:35:23 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: kcvl
I should be forced to inhale your smoke because?

We should be forced to listen to your whiney hyperbole because? :)

10 posted on 05/11/2004 5:36:56 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: newgeezer; Izzy Dunne
Bump to both of you. Right on!

All the restaurants have done is made a private business decision. No government coercion involved. That's as it should be, always!

Smokers can choose to patronize other places; nobody's forcing them to go to Applebee's.

11 posted on 05/11/2004 5:41:18 AM PDT by TonyRo76 (Art that's good enough for the marketplace doesn't need government subsidy.)
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To: normy
"I banned Applebees long ago due to their bad menu and food."

That and the obnoxious, and juvinile waitresses.

12 posted on 05/11/2004 5:41:22 AM PDT by G.Mason (A President is best judged by the enemies he makes when he has really hit his stride…Max Lerner)
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To: kcvl
Because you CHOSE to go to a eatery that allows smoking. Don't like it - don't go. And, BTW - I have NEVER smoked. The smell makes me nauseous. But, I will still defend anyones right to smoke. It's called freedom.
No, you don't have the right to force everybody else to comply with your personal preferences. I may not like your shampoo. Maybe the trees in your yard give me allergies....can I cut them all down???
13 posted on 05/11/2004 5:41:53 AM PDT by KeepUSfree (WOSD = fascism pure and simple.)
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To: newgeezer
"This is the way smoking bans are supposed to work, no government intervention on private property."

I agree, but it works both ways.

The Applebee's exec is a hypocrite and incongruent.

"Mike Scanlon, Thomas and King's chairman and chief executive officer and vice-mayor of Lexington, was a vocal supporter of the city's indoor smoking ban that went into effect April 27."

"Scanlon said. ''However, as a businessman, I need to listen to my customers and do what I believe is right for my business."

Why can't other businessmen do what they believe is right for their business by allowing smoking on their private property business, Mr. Scanlon?

14 posted on 05/11/2004 5:42:13 AM PDT by tahiti
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To: AppyPappy
My "whiney hyperbole" never caused anyone to be sick. If you want to smoke fine just don't FORCE me to inhale your habit. I'm sure that Applebee's will find many more customers, who avoided inhaling your smoke, by avoiding eating there, to take your place .
15 posted on 05/11/2004 5:42:30 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: kcvl
"I should be forced to inhale your smoke because?"

You are right.

I hereby appologize for the gun, and you are free to go on about your business.

BTW ... here's your wallet back.

16 posted on 05/11/2004 5:43:38 AM PDT by G.Mason (A President is best judged by the enemies he makes when he has really hit his stride…Max Lerner)
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To: KeepUSfree
Then why are you all whining about the decision made by Applebee's? Do you think it is your "RIGHT" to blow smoke in someone's face? That's why many of us do stay away from places who allow people to smoke. If any of you want to suck on a cancer stick go ahead. Besides burning your vocal chords to a crisp and sounding like a frog it's not a pretty sight to die trying to gasp for air.
17 posted on 05/11/2004 5:46:31 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: tahiti
I noticed that too and it is why he isn't getting full kudos from me. Hypocrit is absolutely right on!
18 posted on 05/11/2004 5:47:41 AM PDT by cupcakes
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To: G.Mason
You are comparing owning a gun to smoking? ROFLOL!
19 posted on 05/11/2004 5:48:03 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: kcvl
Come on now, many restaurants really do a good job of keeping the air seperated(at least so your can't smell it). The few times I've been in an Applebee's that allow smoking, I've not smelt the fumes. That said, I support a private business' decision to not have smoking in their restaurant, but like someone else pointed out Mr. Scanlon is a hypocrit since he does not support businesses making the same decision for themselves in Lexington.
That said, Cracker Barrel is the absolute worse for their smoking vs non smoking sections. I can smell the smoke from the smoking section every time in that place--it is the worse.
20 posted on 05/11/2004 5:49:55 AM PDT by cupcakes
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To: MissTargets
California has already been hit with the cigarette-Nazi's. Now it's even the friggin' BEACHES! Their claim there: litter.

Cancha' just hear the drip drip of the water as it erodes the rock we call "Freedom"?
21 posted on 05/11/2004 5:53:04 AM PDT by bannie (Liberal Media: The Most Dangerous Enemies to America and Freedom)
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To: kcvl
Wow! Another believer in Junk Science.....

Show any one here on this forum a credible study that conclusively shows that second hand smoke is dangerous......

BTW, I neither support or disavow Applebee's for banning smoking, that's a private corporations decision.....

What I do dismiss is self appointed safety Nazi's that believe they have a obligation and right to tell me what I'm allowed to do.

I smoke cigars, never cigarettes, but I'm a polite smoker and would never light up in an enclosed area other than my home or local cigar bar.

NeverGore :^)
22 posted on 05/11/2004 5:56:21 AM PDT by nevergore (“It could be that the purpose of my life is simply to serve as a warning to others.”)
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To: All
This is great news!

It is good to hear that private businesses are making the decision to ban smoking and not being forced to do so by the government.

That is what you FR-smoking types wanted isn't it?

Every time I read a smoking thread it contains pissing and moaning from FR-smokers about how the government should not interfere with private business. Well here you go! A private business made the decision to ban smoking…and guess what? You all are all still pissing and moaning!

Your habit stinks and I should not be forced to smell like Phillip Morris when I leave a restaurant. Now I can tell you what you always tell me, "If you don't like it, go somewhere else!"

Ha!
23 posted on 05/11/2004 5:57:20 AM PDT by TSgt (What have you done for your country today?)
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To: kcvl
Wow! Another believer in Junk Science.....

Show any one here on this forum a credible study that conclusively shows that second hand smoke is dangerous......

BTW, I neither support or disavow Applebee's for banning smoking, that's a private corporations decision.....

What I do dismiss is self appointed safety Nazi's that believe they have a obligation and right to tell me what I'm allowed to do.

I smoke cigars, never cigarettes, but I'm a polite smoker and would never light up in an enclosed area other than my home or local cigar bar.

NeverGore :^)
24 posted on 05/11/2004 5:58:00 AM PDT by nevergore (“It could be that the purpose of my life is simply to serve as a warning to others.”)
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To: normy
Applebees does have some terrible food, but I noticed some good news in this story. Johnny Carinos will also be smoke free; I do enjoy their lasagne.
25 posted on 05/11/2004 5:58:09 AM PDT by LanPB01
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To: kcvl
I don't smoke so try again. But it is hypocritical for me to complain about the cigarette across the restaurant while I am staring at the smoking skillet of fajitas in front of me. Smoke is smoke.

I don't have a problem with a restaurant banning smoking but I don't want the government involved.
26 posted on 05/11/2004 5:58:41 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: MissTargets
Holmes said Monday at the Eastwood Mall. ''Smoking spoils my dinner.''

Holmes, a former tobacco user, said he has eaten at Applebee's in Niles several times

The only thing worse than a "Holier Than Thou, Non-smoker" is a "Holier Than Thou, EX-smoker"

27 posted on 05/11/2004 5:58:44 AM PDT by cuz_it_aint_their_money (Snarlin' Arlen will never, I repeat, NEVER get my vote!)
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To: nevergore
"Show any one here on this forum a credible study that conclusively shows that second hand smoke is dangerous......"

When I inhale second hand smoke I cough and have trouble breathing.

There is your conclusive study that second hand smoke is dangerous.
28 posted on 05/11/2004 6:00:51 AM PDT by TSgt (What have you done for your country today?)
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To: kcvl
AppyPappy's comments are proof that smoking DOES, indeed, kill off brain cells!! As if it weren't bad enough for the customers, the poor servers have to endure it for hours on end.
29 posted on 05/11/2004 6:04:56 AM PDT by Paved Paradise
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To: KeepUSfree
Okay, wise guy - now give me a list of all the restaurants that do not allow smoking. I know of none in Ohio. None. If you happen to have a large group of smokers in a place that you happen to be patronizing, you are screwed.
30 posted on 05/11/2004 6:06:09 AM PDT by Paved Paradise
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To: cuz_it_aint_their_money
I think this is great. Applebee's restraunts are the WORST designed restraunts for people that want to avoid smoke but still eat their food. My wife is allergic to cig. smoke so there is another example of how second-hand smoke can harm others. At Applebee's (at least here) smokers sit in the middle of the restraunt BELOW non-smokers which surround them like a ring. Every non-smoker gets a dose.
31 posted on 05/11/2004 6:06:19 AM PDT by Naspino (HTTP://NASPINO.COM)
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To: kcvl
Do you think it is your "RIGHT" to blow smoke in someone's face?

Do you believe it is your right to accuse unseen, unkown people of behaving rudely, given that your stereotypical bravo-sierra accusation is much less than accurate in my experience?

That's why many of us do stay away from places who allow people to smoke.

That's fine. I've seen alot of commentary on this thread that celebrate a businessman making a decision to ban smoking in his business rather than forcing that ban on all businesses through law (although this businessman has done both).

The holier-than-thou act wears thin, and fast. Just as thin as the I'll-smoke-wherever-and-whenever-I-darn-well-please act does.

32 posted on 05/11/2004 6:06:20 AM PDT by MortMan (Complacency is an enemy sniper)
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To: kcvl
"You are comparing owning a gun to smoking? ROFLOL!"

sigh ...

33 posted on 05/11/2004 6:07:11 AM PDT by G.Mason (A President is best judged by the enemies he makes when he has really hit his stride…Max Lerner)
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To: nevergore
Show any one here on this forum a credible study that conclusively shows that second hand smoke is dangerous......

KI once read an article that explained that second hand smoke was more dangerous to nonsmokers than smokers. My reaction was "Well I guess I better take up smoking then, just to be safer".

They think we are all idiots.

34 posted on 05/11/2004 6:07:44 AM PDT by w1andsodidwe
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To: kcvl
Don't even bother trying to use logic on these black lung fools. Trust me, it won't work. They are so afraid of losing their liberties, they forget that smoking is harmful to everyone that comes in it's path - smokers and non-smokers alike. Even my dogs don't want to be around smokers.
35 posted on 05/11/2004 6:08:12 AM PDT by Paved Paradise
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To: MikeWUSAF
These people fail to see that a body's natural repulsion at smoke is as normal as an individual closing his eyes when a foreign object approaches. Our bodies are smart - so why can't these people use their brains to accept reality.
36 posted on 05/11/2004 6:09:51 AM PDT by Paved Paradise
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To: Izzy Dunne
"At least they're doing it of their own free will. The business consequences (good or bad) will be of their own making."

A local Applebee's used to play classic rock background music at night. They were full in the bar which would become rowdy at times and kept food customers away.

They switched to country top 40 format and brought back the food customers but lost a majority of their bar customers.

It will be interesting to find out how they fare with the smoking ban.
37 posted on 05/11/2004 6:10:54 AM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: Thinkin' Gal
Obviously cigarette smoke doesn't affect the taste buds of smokers or you wouldn't see so many fat smokers. It does, however, affect the taste buds of non smokers. It destroys the taste of food if cigarette smoke is breathed while eating. That is why (this) non smoker get so upset if smoke drifts into the non smoking area. (I am speaking for myself & other non smokers may or may not be affected like this)
38 posted on 05/11/2004 6:11:12 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: LanPB01
I only ate at Applebees once but it was pretty bad and their menu had almost nothing on it. I have a hard time giving bad resturants a second chance, especially when the advertise sirloin covered in picante sauce.

I have eaten at Carinos once and liked it alot, thanks for reminding me. There are so many Italian and Tex-Mex places some get lost in the shuffle. Carinos is definately worth revisiting.

39 posted on 05/11/2004 6:11:37 AM PDT by normy (Just cause you think you can box, doesn't mean you're ready to climb in the ring with Ali.)
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To: MikeWUSAF
Ease up there, friend.

Most of us are not complaining about Applebee's decision. My favorite Thai restaurant was non-smoking, even though the owners, who were also the only employees, were smokers. It simply was too small for a smoking / non-smoking section.

The comments I've read were critical of the Applebee's management's hypocrisy, not their policy.

The vast majority of restaurants here in Houston accomodate both, and it seems to work out well. With adequate ventilation and filtration everybody can be happy.
40 posted on 05/11/2004 6:12:41 AM PDT by jimt
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To: Paved Paradise
"black lung fools."

I've asked it before and i'll ask it again, I wonder how many tobacco champions here at FR have smoking related illnesses and how many have passed away from such illness?
41 posted on 05/11/2004 6:12:48 AM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: MissTargets
We nonsmokers really appreciate the smokers avoiding the nonsmoking restaurants. They usually smell like an ashtray, and that can be just as annoying. You know they can't stop even for an hour, even when they're eating. Ha! One reply said there are alot of smokers in Northern Ohio. Who wants to go into business with me selling Oxygen in Northern Ohio, there has got to be alot of C.O.P.D. and emphysema up there, or we could open a restaurant that has special little alcoves for people to park their oxygen bottles, so they wont get bumped in the isles. We could get rich. What a business opportunity
42 posted on 05/11/2004 6:13:54 AM PDT by mbrito
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To: nevergore
Junk science? I guess what I observe in my work with people with lung cancer and emphysema is junk science also? I guess watching people gasp for breath in the process of dying is junk science? Just because some of you value your habit more than the lives of others should tell me all I need to know about many of you.

Tell that to the kids with breathing problems and allergies who live with parents who smoke. I guess they don't matter either. Anyone who wants to char their lungs, by all means, GO AHEAD!
43 posted on 05/11/2004 6:18:49 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: MikeWUSAF
That is what you FR-smoking types wanted isn't it?

That's right, Mike, we want the business owner to be able to make the decision.
If Appleby's wants to go smoke free at ALL their locations, franchises included, I have no bone to pick with them.
It's a business decision.

That said, Mike Scanlon get's no points from me because he is a hypocrit.
He wants there to be freedom for him to decide, as a business owner, whether or not to allow smoking because, "However, as a businessman, I need to listen to my customers and do what I believe is right for my business."
However, Mr. Scanlon doesn't want to allow the business owner in Lexington, Kentucky to have that same right to make their own decision.
Mr. Scanlon is no more than a hypocritical antismoker in a position of semi-power.

44 posted on 05/11/2004 6:20:28 AM PDT by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: MikeWUSAF
"When I inhale second hand smoke I cough and have trouble breathing.

There is your conclusive study that second hand smoke is dangerous."

Noooo...that just shows it cam be irritating to some....

Some people have worse breathing problems here in Atlanta during pollen season. As a result, should we cut down all the trees and plow under the flowers?

NeverGore :^)

45 posted on 05/11/2004 6:22:08 AM PDT by nevergore (“It could be that the purpose of my life is simply to serve as a warning to others.”)
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To: cuz_it_aint_their_money
The only thing worse than a "Holier Than Thou, Non-smoker" is a "Holier Than Thou, EX-smoker"

You got that right. He is 83 years old too! I would love to know when he quit smoking.

46 posted on 05/11/2004 6:22:15 AM PDT by MissTargets
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To: kcvl
Your answer was hyperbole, conjecture and emotion....

Then personal attack

Unfortunately, no fact.....

Again I challenge you to show a scientific study showing conclusively that second hand smoke presents a real danger to the general public.

NeverGore :^)
47 posted on 05/11/2004 6:26:27 AM PDT by nevergore (“It could be that the purpose of my life is simply to serve as a warning to others.”)
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To: mbrito
We are in the healthcare business so I know how much medication is sold to people who smoke. It isn't a pretty sight. I also volunteer with our local Community Hospice. I can tell you that many of the patients would give anything to get a second chance at a smoke-free life.
48 posted on 05/11/2004 6:26:33 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: kcvl
Junk science? I guess what I observe in my work with people with lung cancer and emphysema is junk science also?

No, it's not junk science, it's anecdotal evidence.
Is everyone you ever see with lung cancer and emphysema a smoker, or former smoker?

49 posted on 05/11/2004 6:29:02 AM PDT by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: nevergore
You prove that it doesn't. I don't need a study to tell me that smoking is killing people. I WORK WITH IT EVERYDAY!
50 posted on 05/11/2004 6:29:15 AM PDT by kcvl
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