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Dales' Electoral College Breakdown 2004, May 12th Update
ECB 2004 ^ | 5/12/04

Posted on 05/12/2004 12:52:02 PM PDT by Dales

Edited on 05/12/2004 1:11:43 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

I Wouldn't Touch It With a 10 Foot Poll

Apples To Apples

Apples to apples, funk to funky, you know that we're all poll junkies...

My recent articles have touched on the hunt for the likely voter, how elusive a hunt it can be, and how different companies use different methods to try to predict who they are. A major challenge in trying to weigh several polling results across different polling firms is that the methods can be so different that differences in the results can be not merely due to the random fluctuations that occur invariably a part of sampling, and not merely due to any underlying movement in voter sentiment, but also due to the different techniques used in accumulating and presenting the data. While I have confidence in my ability to weigh these factors, it is still a worthwhile exercise to occasionally compare apples only to apples, and look only at multiple results by the same outfit.

Campaign 2004 is still relatively young, and the vast majority of states have not had a single company produce more than one poll. However, a number have and looking at them exclusively can help give form to some of the early campaign trends.

Arizona:

Overall: No conclusive evidence of movement.

California:

Overall: No conclusive evidence of movement. If there has been any shown by the apples to apples comparison, it has been a very small amount towards Kerry.

Colorado:

Overall: No conclusive evidence of movement.

Connecticut:

Overall: The state has solidified under Kerry.

Florida:

Overall: No conclusive evidence of movement.

Kansas:

Overall: The state has solidified under Bush.

Maryland:

Overall: It looks like it might be movement towards Bush.

Michigan:

Overall: From the time of the primary until now, there has been no movement in Michigan.

Missouri:

Overall: No indication of any movement.

New Hampshire:

Overall: ARG has shown no movement since the primary. UNH has shown a lot, but its methodology is very suspect.

New Jersey:

Overall: There has been some movement towards Kerry, moving the state into his ledger where most will agree it should have been all along.

New York:

Overall: The state has consolidated under Kerry.

Pennsylvania:

Overall: There has been indication of movement towards Bush.

Washington:

Overall: Some indication of movement towards Bush, but it is just one poll with the first taken at a Democrat highpoint.

Wisconsin:

Overall: That is some serious movement, and enough to make one wonder if one of the extremes there was an outlier, especially when compared to other polls done just one time so far. However, the Badger Poll has been accurate in the past. There is enough evidence here to doubt the indicated movement, and simply call it inconclusive.

Taken together, the results of this particular way of looking at the polls show that in the early part of the campaign, Kerry has solidified the New York tri-state area. Bush solidified Kansas, made some headway in Maryland, but most importantly, was able to gain some traction in Pennsylvania. A few other states showed possible movement towards the President (Washington, New Hampshire, and Wisconsin) but it is hard to be sure. Arizona, California, Colorado, Florida, Michigan, and Missouri remained about the same.

Obviously, each of these trend lines must be taken with a few caveats. There were limited data points per state. In addition, in most cases the most recent result was over a month ago, which means that there could have been movement since that time which this view will not reflect. As always, caveat lector. It is useful, however, to compare these limited trends to the perceptions at the time. Over the past several weeks, the general consensus has been that Kerry had been making headway in the Electoral College, even if the popular vote was remaining a neck-and-neck race. This one particular perspective says that may not have been the case.

Moving on to the national popular vote race, Marist has a new poll out. It is a mood survey, rather than a horserace one; it asks a number of questions but not "for who do you plan to vote?"

Some interesting points:

These results allow me to profile a typical "undecided" voter in the Marist survey. It is a person who feels secure at home, and is glad the war on terror is being fought primarily overseas. It is a person who thinks that the war is necessary but distasteful and does not want it politicized by either party. It is a person relatively apathetic about social issues. It is a person who wants proof that the economy has turned around, and thinks the campaign so far has not been aimed at them. As a result, they have not been paying attention (or perhaps, they have not been paying attention, so they think the campaign has not been aimed at them).

Some more tidbits of note from the Marist survey:

And while the exact horserace number is not given, from the numbers it is clear that Marist still has it as being an effective tie among registered voters. I suspect that will not be surprising to pretty much anyone.


This Week's Polling Updates Overview

It was a slow polling week due to the Mother's Day weekend. West Virginia, Oregon and California all moved a bit towards the President, while New Jersey continued its journey from its surprising position in Bush's territory to its more familiar Democrat home. Arizona reinforced that it is not quite as sure a thing for the Republicans as it has been previously. The ECB scorecard now sits at Bush 211, Kerry 193, reflecting the tight race that everyone understands to be occurring. When the tossups are added, Bush moves to a 248-221 lead. The calculated popular vote favors Bush by just over 2%. Over on the ECB Classic side of the fence, where my subjective views matter not at all, Bush leads 196 to 148, and when the tossups are allocated he tops the magic 270 mark, 273-231.

As for the battleground states, I introduced this week a feature where I will be tracking what I consider to be the battlegrounds.

While most of the media attention this year has been on the 18 most tightly contested states from the 2000 election, it is highly unlikely that when the 2004 election is in the books, that the list will be unchanged. Some other states will end up being tighter than these states were in 2000.

In the ECB2004, I use a different measure of what is a battleground state. I have spoken to some degree about what I consider a battleground state to be in my About page and in an earlier article. I will now clarify my definition further.

The simplest definition of the battleground states are those which are most likely to be able to go either way in the coming election. At any point in time, the states which are polling to where I do not consider there to be a clear leader are in one of three designations: Slight Advantage for Kerry, Slight Advantage for Bush, and Tossup. This is what I call the battleground range.

The battleground states, according the the ECB2004, are any states which have been designated at any point during the campaign as being in the battleground range, so long as the state has not subsequently moved to one of the Strong designations. A state can move to Lean and will still be considered, by me, a battleground state. Only when a state moves to Strong does it lose that designation. And once it loses that designation, it will not get it back until it falls back into the battleground range; if a state moves to Strong but then back to Lean, it does not revert to a battleground state.

There will be considerable overlap between my battleground states and those the media focuses on. But there will be differences as well. These states are the ones I am suggesting interested election-followers to pay most attention.

At the start of ECB2004, the following states were designated as battleground states: Florida, West Virginia, Iowa, New Hampshire, Maine, Nevada, New Jersey (yes, New Jersey), Oregon, Michigan, Minnesota, Pennsylvania and New Mexico (please note that in the original article on the battlegrounds this year, I mistakenly omitted New Mexico even though my chart showed it in the battleground range). Subsequently, Arizona, Ohio, Wisconsin, and Arkansas have been added, and Maine has fallen out, making for a list of 15. Most of these are, in fact, states which are considered battlegrounds by the media.

The following chart summarizes the Battlegrounds (and from this point forward, I am intending to keep this chart updated). In this chart, the Media Battleground states are the 18 most closely contested in 2000.

State 2000 Result Media Battleground Current Status
Florida Bush +0.01 Yes Push
New Mexico Gore +0.06 Yes Push
Wisconsin Gore +0.2 Yes Push
Iowa Gore +0.3 Yes Kerry, Slight
Oregon Gore +0.4 Yes Push
New Hampshire Bush +1 Yes Kerry, Slight
Minnesota Gore +2 Yes Kerry, Lean
Ohio Bush +4 Yes Push
Nevada Bush +4 Yes Bush, Lean
Pennsylvania Gore +4 Yes Bush, Slight
Michigan Gore +5 Yes Kerry, Slight
Arkansas Bush +5 Yes Bush, Slight
Arizona Bush +6 Yes Bush, Slight
West Virginia Bush +6 Yes Bush, Lean
New Jersey Gore +16 No Kerry, Lean

Yes, New Jersey sticks out like a sore thumb. And yes, I guess I am inviting more of the "you're nuts" comments I previously was getting by having it here, but by the methodology it belongs.

The four states which are were in the list of 18 tightest 2000 races but are not in the above list are Maine (discussed earlier, started in the battleground but is now Strong For Kerry), Washington (which has hovered at Leaning for Kerry since the start of ECB2004), Missouri and Tennesseee (both of which have been Leaning for Bush since the start of ECB2004). And just for completeness sake, the other states which are sometimes mentioned by the media as being contested are Colorado and Louisiana, both of which Bush won by 8 and are now Leaning Towards Bush, and less frequently Delaware (due to Bush advertising there, won by Gore by 13, currently Strong for Kerry).


Arizona
Electoral Votes: 10
2000 Result
Bush 51%
Gore 45%

Background: Since Harry Truman, only Bill Clinton (during his re-elect) has carried the Grand Canyon State for the Democrats. Clinton also made it close with the help of Perot in 1992. Other than that, things have been surprisingly one-sided. Arizona has 6 of 8 of its Representatives and both of its Senators from the GOP. The GOP also controls both chambers of the state legislature. The top of the executive branch is run by Democrats, with Janet Napolitano being a first term Governor and Terry Goddard being the Attorney General. Most other top executive offices are held by Republicans. Republicans have a 41% to 35% lead in voter registration.

Polling Data:

Date Polling Company Link Type MOE Republican Democrat Margin
7/18/03 Behavior Research Center Link 701 Adults 4.3% Bush 55% Unnamed Opponent 41% Bush +14
1/11/04 Behavior Research Center Link 641 Adults 3.9% Bush 50% Highest Ranking Democrat (Dean) 38% Bush +12
2/19/04 SurveyUSA Link RV 4.3% Bush 52% Kerry 44% Bush +8
2/22/04 Arizona State University Link 430 RV 4% Bush 44% Kerry 46% Dem +2
3/18/04 Survey USA Link 634 LV 4.0% Bush 51% Kerry 42% Bush +9
4/26/04 Arizona State University Link 410 RV 4.8% Bush 41% Kerry 38% Bush +3
5/4/04 Behavior Research Center Link 555 RV, Nader not an option 4.2% Bush 46% Kerry 42% Bush +4
5/4/04 Behavior Research Center Link 555 RV, Nader an option 4.2% Bush 45% Kerry 37% Bush +8
5/4/04 Behavior Research Center Link LV ? Bush 49% Kerry 41% Bush +8

Punditry: Behavior Research Center previously had Bush leading comfortably; since late January Kerry has whittled away 6 points of the President's lead in this survey. Please note that while the article that writes up this poll said the results were from 713 adults, this is almost certainly just a mistake based on the way BRC writes up their polls. They do drill down to likely voters, but do not make it clear in the section where they write up the sample sizes as to what portion of the overall sample is in the likely voter portion. Slight Advantage for Bush.

Addendum: Wait a second here. A day later, and I now have a link to the actual writeup on the BRC poll, and not just what the newspaper reported. First, the four point result was among registered voters. Second, when Nader is factored in, it opens up to an 8 point Bush lead. Third, in a two man race when it is considered to be likely voters, it is an 8 point Bush lead. Those numbers put a whole different perspective on that poll. I am awfully tempted to return this poll to the leaning Bush category.


F West Virginia
Electoral Votes: 5
2000 Result
Bush 52%
Gore 46%

Background: It was a huge change from the past when Bush beat Gore here in 2000. Over the last eighteen elections, the Democrats have won 14, and both of Clinton's wins would almost certainly have come even without Ross Perot. This is not a state the Democrats should have lost.

In the first ECB of 2000, West Virginia was rated as a battleground state with a slight advantage to Bush. This time around, it is starting as a complete tossup. Two of West Virginia's three Representatives are Democrats. Democrats control everything else: both Senate seats, both chambers of the state legislature, and the top executive branch offices. It is easy to see why, when 60% of the registered voters are Democrats and just 29% Republican.

Polling Data:

Date Polling Company Link Type MOE Republican Democrat Margin
3/24/04 American Research Group Link 600 LV, Nader not an option 4% Bush 47% Kerry 46% Bush +1
3/24/04 American Research Group Link 600 LV, Nader an option 4% Bush 46% Kerry 46% Push
4/15/04 Rasmussen Link 500 LV 4.5% Bush 46% Kerry 41% Bush +5
4/29/04 Ipsos Public Affairs Link 984 RV 3% Bush 49% Kerry 45% Bush +4

Punditry: The Ipsos poll serves as a validation of the earlier Rasmussen poll, showing that Bush has opened up a bit of a lead in wild, wonderful West Virginia. Since the Ipsos poll's results are outside of a single span of the Margin of Error, and since RV polls tend to overstate Democrat support, I am recategorizing West Virginia as Leaning Towards Bush.

Update: KQQL provided me a link that showed the original article listed for the Ipsos poll had the numbers wrong- it is 49-45, as opposed to 47-43. No real change, just different.


F Oregon
Electoral Votes: 7
2000 Result
Gore 46.96%
Bush 46.52%

Background: The last 10 elections have gone 1-5-4. Without Perot, Clinton would likely have lost his initial run here though. From 1968 on, the only Democrat to break 50% here was Michael Dukakis; Reagan and Nixon each broke 50% in their re-elect.

In early 2000, Oregon was polling strongly for Bush. The left coast influence eventually took hold and turned it into a very even state, and it starts this year as a tossup. Democrats hold 4 out of 5 Representative seats, while the Senate seats are divided, just as control of the state legislative chambers is split. The Democrats hold most of the executive branch positions. Democrats hold a 3% lead in registration, 39%-36%.

Polling Data:

Date Polling Company Link Type MOE Republican Democrat Margin
3/5/04 Hibbits Link ? ? Bush 40% Kerry 45% Kerry +5
4/7/04 University of Oregon Link 440 RV 4.7% Bush 47% Kerry 45% Bush +2
4/25/04 Rasmussen Link 500 LV 4.5% Bush 45% Kerry 46% Kerry +1
4/29/04 Research2000 Link 500 LV 4% Bush 46% Kerry 48% Kerry +2
5/4/04 American Research Group Link 600 LV 4% Bush 45% Kerry 45% Push

Punditry: As I have explained many times (including on my about page), I tend to consider all three of the most even categories, the two Slight Advantage categories plus the tossup category, to be indicative of a race that really is too close to consider either candidate as really being ahead. As such, I am more likely to put a state in the "tossup" category than to ascribe a Slight Advantage. Given that of the last four polls, one has had a two point Kerry lead, one has had a one point Kerry lead, one has had a two point Bush lead, and now this one has a dead heat, I will take this opportunity to move Oregon to the Tossup category.

Here is a strange note from the writeup to this poll: "Kerry loses support among Republicans when Nader is on the ballot. Without Nader on the ballot, 8% of Republicans say they would vote for Kerry. With Nader on the ballot, 2% of Republicans say they would vote for Kerry."


New Jersey
Electoral Votes: 15
2000 Result
Gore 56%
Bush 40%

Background: New Jersey used to be considered a Republican state. Those days have passed, although there are still some signs of life. In the last 10 Presidential elections it has gone 1-6-3 with the Republican wins coming in the middle, the last Clinton win and the Gore win were by such substantial margins that it is hard to avoid the feeling that New Jersey is trending leftward.

If New Jersey remains tight enough to stay in the battleground, it is a case of back to the future. ECB2000 started with it leaning Gore's way. The Democrats have 7 of 13 Representatives and both Senate seats, control both chambers of the state legislature, hold all of the important executive offices, and have a 25%-19% advantage in voter registration.

Polling Data:

Date Polling Company Link Type MOE Republican Democrat Margin
9/8/03 Rutgers Link 802 Adults 3.5% Bush 43% Unnamed Democrat 35% Bush +8
9/15/03 Fairleigh Dickinson University/Public Mind Link 600 RV 4% Bush 36% Unnamed Democrat 29% Bush +7
9/25/03 Quinnipiac Link RV 3.1% Bush 48% Kerry 43% Bush +5
11/10/03 Quinnipiac Link 1,027 RV 3.1% Bush 46% Kerry 43% Bush +3
1/11/04 Fairleigh Dickinson University/Public Mind Link 600 RV 4% Bush 40% Unnamed Democrat 32% Bush +8
1/13/04 Rutgers Link 823 RV 4.2% Bush 41% Unnamed Democrat 38% Bush +3
4/10/04 Fairleigh Dickinson University/Public Mind Link 802 RV, Nader not an option 3.5% Bush 47% Kerry 48% Kerry +1
4/10/04 Fairleigh Dickinson University/Public Mind Link 802 RV, Nader an option 3.5% Bush 48% Kerry 44% Bush +4
4/20/04 Rasmussen Link 500 LV 4.5% Bush 39% Kerry 51% Kerry +12
5/4/04 Rutgers / Eagleton Link 643 RV 4% Bush 37% Kerry 43% Kerry +6

Punditry: Ha! I guessed right at where to move this poll last time, and as such I do not have to work as hard in modifying maps and other files to do this update. Happy, happy, joy, joy. As for the poll, it confirms to me that right now, New Jersey is a lot closer than anyone would have expected. Also, as a registered voter poll in a state that has significantly more registered Democrats than Republicans, it is a very impressive result by the President. I stand by my assertion that New Jersey is in play, even while acknowledging it still favors Kerry. Leaning Towards Kerry

Addendum: A very interesting item of note in the poll. They asked people to rate their chances of voting in November on a scale from 1 to 10. 93% of Republicans claimed they will definitely vote (a 10), while 1% of Republicans said their chances of voting merited merely a 1, 2, or 3. For the Democrats, 82% said it's a 10 on that scale that they will vote, but 5% said a 1, 2, or 3. Perhaps the voting intensity that supposedly is going to favor the Democrats this election cycle, will not?


F California
Electoral Votes: 55
2000 Result
Gore 53%
Bush 42%

Background: On a three election streak for the Democrats, California has a reputation as a liberal bastion. While Gore did handle Bush easily in 2000, the fact is that the reputation may not fit the data on the Presidential level. Only three candidates have broken 53% in California since the 1964 landslide. Al Gore last time, homestate icon Ronald Reagan in his re-election campaign but not his first election, and Richard Nixon in his re-election campaign but not his first successful Presidential campaign.

Polling Data:

Date Polling Company Link Type MOE Republican Democrat Margin
8/16/03 Field NA RV 4% Bush 42% Unnamed Democrat 47% Dem +5
8/16/03 Public Policy Institute NA LV 3% Bush 40% Unnamed Democrat 45% Dem +5
1/3/04 Public Policy Institute Link LV 3% Bush 45% Unnamed Democrat 45% Tied
1/13/04 Field NA RV 3.4% Bush 46% Unnamed Democrat 47% Dem +1
1/18/04 Rasmussen NA LV 4% Bush 41% Unnamed Democrat 46% Dem +5
2/13/04 Knowledge Networks Link RV 4.1% Bush 38% Kerry 42% Dem +4
2/16/04 Public Policy Institute Link 1,103 LV 3% Bush 37% Kerry 54% Dem +17
2/22/04 LA Times Link 1,521 RV 3% Bush 40% Kerry 53% Dem +13
2/27/04 Knowledge Networks Link 505 RV 3.8% Bush 38% Kerry 43% Kerry +5
3/11/04 Rasmussen Link 455 LV 5% Bush 44% Kerry 53% Kerry +9
4/17/04 Rasmussen Link 502 LV 5% Bush 40% Kerry 51% Kerry +11
4/21/04 L.A. Times Link 1,265 LV, Nader an option 3% Bush 39% Kerry 49% Kerry +10
4/21/04 L.A. Times Link 1,265 LV, Nader not an option 3% Bush 41% Kerry 53% Kerry +12
5/6/04 SurveyUSA Link 635 LV 4% Bush 45% Kerry 46% Kerry +1

Punditry: All I can say is this is a jaw dropping poll result right now, which to my mind can only be explained as an outlier. That said, outliers do not happen in a vacuum. If a poll with a 4% MoE is off by more than 4, it will tend to be off by 5. It is almost never going to be off by 8 or 9 or 10.

Is California in play? I highly doubt it. I do think this poll is one of those every-twenty-or-so that are outside of the margin of error. But that still tells me Bush has made up some ground, and it still tells me that California, like New Jersey, is not as wide of a spread as one would expect given the closeness of the national polls.

By the raw numbers this makes it Slight for Kerry, and by a comfortable margin. No way am I moving it there. Leaning Towards Kerry.


Effective National Popular Results: Bush 45.8%, Kerry 43.6%

Kerry E F Bush
Safe Strong Lean Slight Tossup Slight Lean Strong Safe
DC (3) DE (3) MD (10)
K48-B43
3/24/04
IA (7)
K47-B46
4/21/04
NM (5)
B46-K45
4/1/04
AR (6)
B45-K45
5/2/04
VA (13)
B48-WC33
12/3/03
SC (8)
B52-UD36
7/28/03
AK (3)
HI (4) ME (4)
K51-B38
3/4/04
MN (10)
K50-B38
4/2/04
MI (17)
K47-B43
5/2/04
OH (20)
B46-K45
4/2/04
PA (21)
B46-K46
4/25/04
GA (15)
B47-UD43
2/4/04
MS (6)
B49-UD29
12/22/03
ND (3)
RI (4)
K53-B31
2/7/04
IL (21)
K47-B39
3/13/04
WA (11)
K46-B41
4/5/04
NH (4)
K49-B45
4/26/04
FL (27)
B46-K45
4/21/04
AZ (10)
B46-K42
5/4/04
NV (5)
B49-K38
3/17/04
SD (3)
B50-UD39
2/5/04
NE (5)
MA (12)
K54-B32
4/5/04
NY (31)
K51-B32
4/22/04
NJ (15)
K43-B37
5/4/04
- WI (10)
K50-B42
B50-K38
4/28/04
- TN (11)
B52-K41
3/22/04
KY (8)
B57-K41
2/16/04
WY (3)
- CT (7)
K51-B33
4/27/04
CA (55)
K46-B45
5/6/04
- OR (7)
K45-B45
5/4/04
- MO (11)
B49-K42
3/23/04
KS (6)
B57-K39
3/4/04
MT (3)
B52-UD27
5/16/03
- VT (3)
K51-B36
5/1/04
- - - - CO (9)
B49-K44
4/14/04
IN (11)
B52-K37
3/24/04
TX (34)
B54-K35
3/6/04
- - - - - - NC (15)
B51-K44
4/1/04
OK (7)
B47-K35
4/1/04
ID (4)
B55-K23
3/17/04
- - - - - - WV (5)
B49-K45
4/29/04
LA (9)
B52-K38
3/28/04
UT (5)
B66-K24
3/25/04
- - - - - - - - AL (9)
B55-K36
5/3/04
Totals
Kerry States Battleground States Bush States

23 69 101 28 69 37 84 58 69

193 134 211


Last week's quiz:
What aircraft did the Air Force Thunderbirds fly for less than a year?
Republic F-105 Thunderchief. Alaska-sgt was the first.

This week's quiz: In Presidential history, what was "The Sacred Cow?"


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Arizona; US: California; US: New Jersey; US: Oregon; US: West Virginia
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1 posted on 05/12/2004 12:52:04 PM PDT by Dales
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Thanks for all your work, friend!
2 posted on 05/12/2004 12:54:20 PM PDT by Howlin
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My pleasure!
3 posted on 05/12/2004 12:55:46 PM PDT by Dales
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bttt
4 posted on 05/12/2004 12:56:12 PM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: Neets; Coop; The G Man; nevergiveup; scan58; AuH2ORepublican; BoomerBob; Galatians513; onyx; ...
It is up.
5 posted on 05/12/2004 12:56:35 PM PDT by Dales
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To: Dales
WOW!
I am going to take a well needed break
from the horror and busy myself studying
this for the next half hour.

Thanks so much Dales.
Your work is appreciated.
6 posted on 05/12/2004 12:58:50 PM PDT by onyx (Rummy's job is winning the war, not micro-managing some damn prison.)
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To: Dales
This week's quiz: In Presidential history, what was "The Sacred Cow?"

I don't think there's any need to talk about Hillary that way.

7 posted on 05/12/2004 1:00:59 PM PDT by Sloth (We cannot defeat foreign enemies of the Constitution if we yield to the domestic ones.)
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To: Dales
The original sacred cow refers to the sacred status of the cow to the Hindu Religion. However, in the United States is refers to the political status of Social Security.
8 posted on 05/12/2004 1:03:50 PM PDT by cpdiii (Oil Field Trash, Geologist, Pharmacist (REFUSE TO ATTEND A GUNFIGHT WITH A CAL. LESS THAN FORTY))
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To: Dales
Bump for a later read...and a question, kind sir, if I might. In addition to the presidential race, there are many key, and fascinating Senate races which will be crucial as well. So, if you're not going to do any formal study of the senate races...I'm not trying to make MORE work for you..this is superb stuf..but I assume as you comb through the mass of states poll data to compile the presidential study, you probably come across poll data for key senate races....could you consider providing the links?..regards, and again, thanks..
9 posted on 05/12/2004 1:05:19 PM PDT by ken5050 (Ann Coulter needs to have children ASAP to propagate her genes.....any volunteers?)
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To: Sloth
LOL
10 posted on 05/12/2004 1:05:45 PM PDT by WinOne4TheGipper (Hey libs, would you like some Kool-Aid to go along with your candidate's waffles?)
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To: Dales
the "sacred cow" was the first presidential aircraft, a C 54 transport I believe, and was used to ferry FDR during the latter stage of his presidency

What'd I win?

CC

11 posted on 05/12/2004 1:07:50 PM PDT by Celtic Conservative (experience: that one thing you don't get until just after you needed it.)
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To: Sloth
"This week's quiz: In Presidential history, what was "The Sacred Cow?"

I don't think there's any need to talk about Hillary that way."

I laughed so hard I woke up my colleagues. Almost reported you for abuse just to prove that I take work seriously here ... ;)

12 posted on 05/12/2004 1:10:07 PM PDT by tom h (.)
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To: Dales
Dales, your update is missing all those midwestern state polls reported during the past two days that show Bush leading by 5 points overall. What gives? Do you have more confidence in the ones you are citing?
13 posted on 05/12/2004 1:11:33 PM PDT by tom h (.)
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To: Dales
Thank You for all your hard work... :)
14 posted on 05/12/2004 1:11:42 PM PDT by just me
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15 posted on 05/12/2004 1:13:21 PM PDT by So Cal Rocket (Fabrizio Quattrocchi: "Adesso vi faccio vedere come muore un italiano")
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To: Celtic Conservative
Interestingly enough, FDR only used The Sacred Cow on one occasion. HST used it a few times, and he signed the National Security Act of 1947 on board the aircraft, making it the birthplace of the United States Air Force.
16 posted on 05/12/2004 1:15:57 PM PDT by So Cal Rocket (Fabrizio Quattrocchi: "Adesso vi faccio vedere come muore un italiano")
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To: tom h
"midwestern state polls reported during the past two days"

Do you have any links to any single state polls reported over the last two days?

All I have seen are national polls that include a particular subset for groups of states, but those generally have much smaller sample sizes and knowing how to apportion them between states is difficult, if not impossible.

If you can give specific examples of what you think should be included, I can either tell you why I did not include it, or if it is just something I missed I'll add it in. Without the specifics, it is hard for me to answer.

17 posted on 05/12/2004 1:16:00 PM PDT by Dales
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To: Celtic Conservative
You win your name up in the answers section of next week's article! What a prize!
18 posted on 05/12/2004 1:16:37 PM PDT by Dales
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To: Dales
I think it was a Presidential airplane... Truman, IIRC.
19 posted on 05/12/2004 1:18:59 PM PDT by hchutch ("Go ahead. Leave early and beat the traffic. The Milwaukee Brewers dare you." - MLB.com 5/11/04)
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To: So Cal Rocket
currently on display, USAF museum annex, Dayton ,OH. Ever been there? they just DOUBLED the size of their display space in time for the centennial of flight last year. I'm a plane buff so this place is like the vatican to me.

CC

20 posted on 05/12/2004 1:22:51 PM PDT by Celtic Conservative (experience: that one thing you don't get until just after you needed it.)
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