Nick Berg on Free Republic (Freepers) Enemies List [FR Blamed for Berg by Nutcase]

Conspiracy Planet | 5/13/04 | Fintan Dunne

[Gothmog]

The nutcase notes that some weeks ago a list of CANSWER supporters was posted on FR.

"It began: 'Here you are, FReepers. Here is the enemy.'

"The list had been copied from publicly available endorsements of a call to action for an imminent anniversary antiwar protest on 20th March, 2004. The protest was being organized under the banner of the A.N.S.W.E.R Coalition (Act Now to Stop War & End Racism).

"Among those listed as having endorsed the call to action was this entry: 'Michael S. Berg, Teacher, Prometheus Methods Tower Service, Inc.'"

The nutcase proceeds to make his case that Freepers are very dedicated and some alerted military officials about military/security personnel listed. Nutcase proceeds:

"If that list could end up on an Internet forum, then it could just as readily end up with the FBI, and eventually in the hands of those in Iraq who are keen to track or harass antiwar activists entering the country."

Snip

"Yet, within two weeks of the list being posted, Nick Berg --back in Iraq on his final fatal trip-- was reportedly detained in Mosul at an Iraqi police checkpoint. The official explanation is that authorities thought his identification might have been forged and were checking his authenticity.

"But a more likely reason is that by then authorities in Iraq had discovered that a 'Berg' of Prometheus Methods Tower Service was in the country, and issued a detention instruction to Iraqi police because they misidentified Nick Berg as an antiwar activist entering Iraq to work for the 'enemy'.

"That could explain why he was held incommunicado for 13 days, without recourse to a lawyer; why US officialdom was singularly unheeding of his mother's pleas; why the FBI visited his family to question them; why it took a US court order secured by the family to pressure his release."

The nutcase then adopts Berg's father's line that the delay resulted in Berg's death.

Thus, Freepers, by posting Berg's father's communist affiliations and possibly contacting authorities led to Berg's death.

[Gothmog]

I apologize for posting junk from this site, but since it specifically targeted FR I thought y'all would want to know about it. Here's the link if anyone wants to go check it out:

http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=65&contentid=1231&page=2

The Nutcase proceeds to cite Michael Rivero insinuating that the 'neocons' might be behind Berg's murder.

[anniegetyourgun]

Gad...the whackjobs on the left abound.

[BallyBill]

Glenn Beck talking about this NOW!! Sorry if you don't get him where you live.

[E. Pluribus Unum]

salon.com contacts DFU over FR's role in murder of Nick Berg by Islamofascist Terrorist b*st*rds

[thoughtomator]

Citing Michael Rivero? Someone get the tinfoil!

[Gothmog]

Thanks, I was just about to ping him

[Bikers4Bush]

So it's Free Republics fault that the kids father signed onto a list and that list was published here as well as on other sites.

Well that makes perfect sense.

The blame lies with the father, he put the families and business name onto the list.

If it starts at the top for the abuse then it starts at the top for this as well.

You can't have it both ways.

[Redcoat LI]

He was arrested by Iraqi police,I don't think they visit Free Republic often,they thought he was a spy because of the Israili Visa stamp on his passport.

This is a stretch,even for the demented lefties.

[tray-sea]

Yeah.. Glenn Beck is a Freeper! I am listening to him on 550krc in Cincinnati.

Sadly, no one out there in stupid land understands why ANSWER is not the answer, how ironic --Nick's fate. His father should see blood on his hands for his death. Makes you wonder if his ideology didn't perhaps undermind the reality of just how dangerous it was or Nick to be there in the first place. If one's views are war is not the answer then certainly he doesn't think the "terrorists" are at war with us.

UGGGGGGGHHHHHH..

[Numbers Guy]

This whole argument that "if Nick hadn't been held by Iraqi authorities for two weeks he wouldn't have been seized by Al Qaeda so let's blame the US" is pathetic.

Suppose I head to the airport. Suppose some lousy driver hits another vehicle, causing a huge traffic jam and delaying my arrival by an hour, and I miss my flight. I get on the next flight, and it crashes.

Would anyone argue that my death was the fault of the lousy driver because he delayed my arrival which led to me taking the ill-fated flight?

Similarly, Berg being held for two weeks and then released and then being taken by Al Qaeda doesn't mean that his death is the fault of those who held him.

Berg's family argues that things were hunky dory in Iraq when he was incarcerated by Iraqi authorities but were awful when he was released. But that just isn't true. Things were really bad in Fallujah and elsewhere *when* he was originally incarcerated, just as bad as they were when he was released.

The fact that the media can't see through this argument is a clear indication that, for them, bashing Bush is a higher priority than getting at the truth.

[MacDorcha]

ah, ill note that WE are blamed for posting the list... yet the list is public info at the ANSWER site ANYWAY... such a sad case, these guys need to get to the Mothership already....

[savedbygrace]

It's common knowledge that the military never checks first names when accusing or charging people with crimes. This explains the large number of people in military prisons with the last name of SMITH. Sheesh.

[RightthinkinAmerican]

I suppose it's also our fault that the Libs have been beating the drum incessantly for 3 weeks about the VERY thing that Al Qaeda quoted as their reason for doing it.

[Just mythoughts]

"Gad...the whackjobs on the left abound."


These people who loose family like the "few" 911 widows, and Mr. Beck's father, blaming President Bush, are a strange lot.

The whole world is exposed to the "evil" killers, whose whole life is about destruction get a pass and fingers of accusation get pointed to the one who takes a stand to send their murderous lives back to their maker.

I personally resent having my anger and repulsion torn between the "killers" and these who have no clue what the "free" world is up against.

[TomGuy]

Typical, but not unusual ploy---the old shellgame.

Instead of being outraged over Berg's execution, change the topic to excuses and blames.

First, it was the FBI's fault for detaining. Oh, for NOT detaining. Oh for offering a plane SEVERAL times to Kuwait when he wanted to go to Jordan. FoxNews, yeh blame them for breaking the story. Blame Rumsfeld. Blame President Bush. Blame Doug from Upland. [So what if 'the list' was on THEIR website for ages; remember, facts don't matter.]

I can understand the Berg family and their pain. However, father Berg knows these leftist techniques, because he was a part of it---being a solid member of ANSWER. It is the Berg family's choice policize this for the liberal agenda, but Nick Berg was in Iraq, not once, but twice, at his own volition [the capability of conscious choice and decision and intention].

[Gothmog]

Just to make it clear since I excerpted the article. The nutcase is not suggesting that Iraqi police or military officals on their own checked FR, found the name and detained Berg. The nutcase goes further.

The nutcase cites FR posts to the original FR thread on the CANSWER list like:

"Another [Freeper] was already investigating a member of the Coast Guard on the list: 'I took a look at his yahoo and he has a site which is not real fond of the war on drugs OR the war on terrorism.... That particular coastie needs some serious trouble to come his way....'

"'I spoke on the phone to a senior chief yesterday in Virginia.... [who] could not believe what the guy was doing. He was both astounded and angry. I think [he] is in for some big, big trouble.'"

The nutcase is claiming that someone on FR had forwarded the list or contacted the FBI about the list so that officials were now somehow aware of these people and had put their names into some sort of law enforcement database so that when suspicious people needed to be checked, their name, or their relatives, would come up and they would be detained for questioning.

IOW: FR is 'evil' not for just posting the list, but for supposedly bringing it to the attention of the FBI (or whoever) so they could track communists and subversives.

[Incorrigible]

It's shocking to see how far off the deep end Michael has fallen. It was his posts that led me to FreeRepublic 6 years ago and I always defended him in his posts regarding OKC and TWA800.

But his antisemitic tone started coming through in a big way after that and I gave up on him.

Sad really.

[MacDorcha]

his name is: Doug Trocino

and his EMail is: dgtd@klondyke.net

enjoy :)

[OldFriend]

The sad irony is that Nicholas' father thought we had no business in Iraq. That the torture, beheading, burying alive, shredded alive citizens didn't deserve our intervention.

ANSWER thinks we're the racists....but in reality those who think Iraqi's weren't worth our effort are the true racists.

President Bush was right when he chastised those who think that people of a different color or ethnicity are unworthy of freedom.

[kenth]

When the leftists first heard about the beheading of Nick Berg, what do you think was their first reaction? Was it outrage at the scum who did this? Of course not, it was 'how can we use this to hurt President Bush or anyone on the right'.

The left is dispicable. Instead of blaming the guys who sawed Mr. Berg's head off, they want to use his death for political gain. One of the biggest wet dreams of the leftist is to take down any prominent figure or group on the right.

I'm amazed that these people can function enough in life to be able to pay the bills long enough so they can use a computer to put this stuff on the Internet.

[Gothmog]

Who's email?

[Mike Darancette]

I'm sure that the Crazies are trolling on FR looking for their enemies. While doing so I'm sure that they are getting a real lesson on how Americans really feel.

[thoughtomator]

I thought he did some pretty good work on the Vince Foster murder, myself, but he did have a tendency to, as I call it, "go Kennedy", i.e., start believing in one-bullet theories and the like, when a straightforward explanation fit facts better and was more than sufficient to prove a point.

[Landru]

Smell that!?
Smell that!?
I love that smell in the morning.

...smells like Troll.

[Gothmog]

Ping -- some leftist blogger has quoted one of your posts in an attempt to blame FR for Nick Berg's murder in Iraq.

[Gothmog]

Ping -- some leftist blogger has quoted one of your posts in an attempt to blame FR for Nick Berg's murder in Iraq.

[MacDorcha]

the nutcase's

[dirtboy]

In your case, being made headless didn't change your IQ one bit.

[E Rocc]

[bigeasy_70118]

I recieved an e-mail this am from a friend of mine in the military in Mosul. He met Berg. He was detained b/c the US government couldn't figure out what the hell the guy was doing in Iraq. He had no business being there and my friend noted that Berg thought Iraq was a real life Fear Factor.

Now this certainly doesn't justify his fate, but it explains why the military detained him.

[wita]

Yes, this had me going in circles as well. Here is a father begging his son not to return to Iraq, when the father is an Iraqi symp as near as we can tll, and clearly knew his son was in danger. From what one might ask, I certainly did.
A person in their right mind, cannot possibly follow the thought processes of those on the left who have a logic not explainable in logical thought.

I too believe the father has himself to blame.

[Gothmog]

Yeah, I've read some of the articles on this subject and whenever they get around to witnesses in Iraq they all say, 'Yeah, he was pretty cool, carefree. He blew off the arrest, it didn't bother him a bit. He was always going off alone, which was strange.'

Interesting, the family claims he was not able to make any money and stresses how he was doing this for humanitarian reasons. But one of his friends in Iraq said Berg was making $70,000 a month, that Berg's type of work was in high demand, etc.

Personally, I think they are trying to create a selfless hero image for him when it is unnecessary. I think Berg was probably a great guy living the life he wanted -- until the sort of terrorist his father supports caught him and chopped his head off.

[Gothmog]

I thought the blogger was Fintan? Psuedonym?

[kjam22]

Interesting, the family claims he was not able to make any money and stresses how he was doing this for humanitarian reasons. But one of his friends in Iraq said Berg was making $70,000 a month, that Berg's type of work was in high demand, etc.

This can't be true. We all know that only Haliburton is making a profit off of this war :)

This whole story is very interesting. We'll probably never know exactly why he was there, who he was working with and for. To many people with strange connections.

I noted the mention of Michael Rivero. That guy is even crazier than when he used to be allowed to post here.

[MacDorcha]

hmmm, i see what you mean, i found the site's creator/editor. lol, oh well, enjoy it anyway :)

[MizSterious]

This has already been posted by Doug From Upland--don't have the url, but he wrote a great response to these blithering idiots.

[mcmuffin]

Glenn Beck talking about this NOW!! Sorry if you don't get him where you live.

Don't be sorry.

[rintense]

Exactly. Of course, their reply would be its father Berg's right to oppose the government. *SIGH* Liberals are so predictable. Their next move will be to blame the male dominated military culture for forcing Lyndie England into sex acts.

[rintense]

As if the FBI isn't monitoring the ANSWER site already! HAHAHAHA!

[bigeasy_70118]

I think Berg was probably a great guy living the life he wanted -- until the sort of terrorist his father supports caught him and chopped his head off.

The sad thing is, the death of his son won't change Michael Berg's worldview one bit.

[TomGuy]

One of the biggest wet dreams of the leftist is to take down any prominent figure or group on the right.

True. They want a resignation. That will help ruin GWB's Presidency. They tried for Dr. Rice. Then Ashcroft. Next, Cheney. Now, Rumsfeld. They don't care who. They want a trophy head. Once they get a trophy head, they can got for #2.

At the press conf where the reporters, one after another, wanted/demanded an apology was the start. They kept on, digging up more issues, until they finally got GWB and Co to start apologizing.


Massive weakness on the Administration. A crack in the wall. An opening. And it is still 5 months until the election. More dirt will come. Much more.


I'm amazed that these people can function enough in life to be able to pay the bills

They know enough they they control about half of the government. The difference is that they automatically work in unison.

No matter what event happens or who is involved, any one of them can parrot the talkingpoings immediately. They don't even need the daily fax. The daily fax just keeps them all on the same topic.

The independents and right seem to function independently. They have their own opinions and don't need the daily reinforcements. The trouble is, they don't operate in automatically operate in unison.

Consider the prison photos. Many on FR fell right into the 'outrage' camp. The others didn't see more than college-level hazing pranks. A vast difference in opinions.

[MacDorcha]

nm, dont enjoy it. it seems his EMail is blocked....

[Gothmog]

Actually this is an updated/new version. In the one dfu posted, the nutcase implies that the simple posting of the list may have (somehow) alerted authorities.

In this version the author notes how Freepers responded to dfu's original thread with posts saying that they had notified military/security officials about particular people on the list.

The difference being to try to bolster his/her insane theory by showing Freepers actively using the information to alert authorities.

Anyway, here's the link to dfu's post you mentioned:

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1134424/posts

[Gothmog]

The sad thing is Michael Berg and the rest of his communist family.

[TomEwall]

Wouldn't the blame for Nick's delay fall back on his father, the anti-war protester? If he hadn't protested, he wouldn't have been put on the list, and his son wouldn't have been delayed, so it's his fault.

You can extend an argument like this any way you want.

[anniegetyourgun]

Amazing that some Leftist would come along and register with that screen name. The Left can't even see how low their putrid ways have become. They are sick and wicked.

[TomEwall]

What's his handle?

[tallhappy]

It's shocking to see how far off the deep end Michael has fallen.

He was always off the deep end. He always spewed forth lefty conspiracy theory that originated in the 60's.

[dirtboy]

It's shocking to see how far off the deep end Michael has fallen.

It's easy to get sucked into the conspiracy mindset. But at some point, you have to start asking, for a given conspiracy, does the theory make more sense than the official explanation? In the cases of OKC, Vince Foster and TWA800, yes, the theories did. But in their zeal to create a conspiracy cult around the Bush family, the conspiracy mongers now demand that we believe airliners full of passengers could be hijacked by the government and buildings rigged for implosion - without anyone spilling the beans or finding out afterwards - which fails the common sense test.