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1 posted on 05/13/2004 4:50:23 PM PDT by KQQL
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After his initial trip to Iraq, Nick Berg was back in Pennsylvania, left again for Iraq on March 14 believing he had some work lined up, and had promised to be back in Pennsylvania by March 30 for a friend's wedding! No body pops back and forth between Iraq and the U.S., balancing odd jobs there and social engagements here. I can't imagine the two weeks' work would even cover the airfare, never mind compensate for the actual work, lousy living conditions, and huge risk to life and limb.

None of this makes one iota of sense. Add in the ANSWER-member Dad, and the fact that U.S. authorities in Iraq were obviously perplexed by Nick and his activities, and the presumably Jewish aunt married to a presumably Muslim Iraqi living in Iraq, and the whole thing just doesn't hold together. He was definitely up to something more than kicking around Iraq looking for free-lance work.


63 posted on 05/13/2004 5:25:02 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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Curioser and Curioser still.


64 posted on 05/13/2004 5:25:44 PM PDT by Redcoat LI (What Is Man That Thou Art Mindful of Him)
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bump for later reference with other thread


79 posted on 05/13/2004 5:31:32 PM PDT by Ulysses ("Most of us go through life thinking we're Superman. Superman goes through life being Clark Kent!")
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You know, i have watched that video a few times now, and each time it amazed me how calm Nic Berg was....almost as if this whole thing was some form of weird voyuer suicide....


87 posted on 05/13/2004 5:34:05 PM PDT by GK_Chesterton
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I don't care if he was pro-Al Qaeda. Let's not loose focus of what that video showed: Muslims are inhumane ghouls with an insaciable appetite for blood, sawing off heads, dismembering corpses, burning bodies, painting themselves with their victims' blood, carrying around human entrails and organs in plastic bags, proudly displaying them as trophies . . .

ANNIHILATE THEM ALL!


98 posted on 05/13/2004 5:40:35 PM PDT by kevao
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Someone on a thread last night noted that one of Berg's sisters who is now dead was married to an Iraqi and that one of the things Berg did on this trip to Iraq was visit the former BIL's family ...
99 posted on 05/13/2004 5:40:35 PM PDT by Let's Roll (Kerry is a self-confessed unindicted war criminal or ... a traitor to his country in a time of war)
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To: KQQL; Happy2BMe; xzins; Salem; Travis McGee; Jeff Head
Prometheus pro ME thee us The Rebel

Prometheus was a not a fool, but why else would he rebel against Zeus? He tried to trick Zeus (who knows all and sees all) with a false sacrifice. How foolish can you get? Prometheus also stole fire from Zeus and gave it to the primitive mortals on the earth. Zeus did not punish Prometheus alone, he punished the entire world for the effrontery of this rebel god.

Prometheus was the son of Iapetos and Klymene. His name means ’Forethought’.

110 posted on 05/13/2004 5:50:12 PM PDT by TrueBeliever9 (aut viam inveniam aut faciam (where there is a will - there is a way)
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This guy quite simply is NOT what he seemed to be.

He is also, in all probability, NOT a US agent in any manner or interpretation.

He was NOT doing anything a rational adult might do in a war zone between 16th and 21 centuries.

AND there is more and more of his history coming out that denies the stories his anti-American old man has been preaching.

I'm leaning hard on wondering just who he was getting contracts from while in Iraq.
I'm also leaning hard on the question of code words and masked communications in his emails home.

127 posted on 05/13/2004 6:00:07 PM PDT by norton
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Al-Zarqawi is thought to be in Iraq, operating his own terrorist network, known simply as the "Zarqawi network."

Well, that's the first time I've heard Zarqawi's group called that... normally it's called Ansar al Islam.

Is the press now too PC to connect the guy who beheaded Nick with Ansar al Islam for fear of backlash against Islam?

138 posted on 05/13/2004 6:09:39 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge.)
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http://www.grandforks.com/mld/grandforks/4379157.htm

The co-pilot who died in the crash of Sen. Paul Wellstone's plane played a minor role in the case of Zacarias Moussaoui, the alleged Sept. 11 conspirator who briefly attended an Eagan, Minn., flight school.

Co-pilot Michael Guess, a 1997 graduate of the UND flight school, had performed administrative work at the Pan Am International Flight Academy last year as he continued accumulating flying hours. There he met Moussaoui, the school's most infamous student.

Two former Pan Am program managers who tipped the FBI to Moussaoui's suspicious behavior at the school in August 2001 told the Star Tribune that Guess inadvertently gave Moussaoui unattended access to a computer program on flying a 747 jumbo jet.


141 posted on 05/13/2004 6:11:18 PM PDT by mabelkitty
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Arkancide?


142 posted on 05/13/2004 6:11:38 PM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Uday and Qusay are ead-day)
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Nevermind, looks like Powell used the term 'Zarqawi Network. Maybe since binny hasn't been heard from in a while the whole of al Qaeda is no longrer the bin lAden network but is now the Zarqawi Network.


144 posted on 05/13/2004 6:13:10 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge.)
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Last night I suggested to my husband that this might be the case. I felt guilty for even thinking it at the time, but I did wonder why he was there, and why the FBI had questioned him. His father is signed on to ANSWER. This is all starting to make more sense.


150 posted on 05/13/2004 6:18:50 PM PDT by ladyinred (The left has blood on their hands, Again!)
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he traveled widely and unguarded throughout Iraq, an unsafe practice rarely done by Westerners

Here's a grand princible: "Fail Early and Often". .Early successes set one up for future catastrophe. Sure seems Mr. Berg walked the razor's edge too many times without a cut.

167 posted on 05/13/2004 6:32:46 PM PDT by bvw
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The evidence seems overwhelming that Berg was an agent of Al Queda. Moussaoui was found with his e-mail, supposedly given to him by accident. With the billions of e-mail addresses in the world, how much of a coincidence would it be that a guy "accidentally" encountered Al Queda twice on such a personal level, once at school with his e-mail and once while "wandering around" Iraq? Apparently the FBI found no other evidence to link him to Al Queda besides the e-mail, but do we have that much confidence in the FBI now, given the "Gorelick"-era constraints on what information they can gather. Obviously we know our intelligence agencies are either incompetent or barred from doing what they need to do or both after all that's happened.

Today his father says he was the best friend the people who killed him ever had. Either his father is in with Al Queda too, or more likely listened to his son rail against the US saying we deserved what Al Queda gave us time and time again. At the very least this tells us Berg and perhaps his family was an Al Queda sympathizer...who also apparently gave his e-mail address to an Al Queda member and spent time with them in Iraq.

Then there is the question of why he was wandering around Iraq "looking for work," when no foreigners seem to be there except for journalists, military, and paid contractors. John Gibson said this was clearly a bogus story today, while he and a caller talked about whether he might have been an American spy. The propaganda lies about him being held by the U.S. military and the military's claim that he refused transportation home only raise more questions about why he was in Iraq.

Also, look at the timing of this video. Supposedly Berg "disappeared" in late March. Yet we never heard anything from this group about them holding him as a hostage, threatening to kill him, or anything else, despite seeing many more of these hostages displayed before cameras last month, from mostly other countries. Not to mention most of the hostages seemed to be taken by ad hoc local Iraqi groups who couldn't even afford decent locks on their doors, not by top level Al Queda. Al Queda claimed they offered to exchange him for our prisoners, but the U.S. military denies it. That alone seems like an all too convenient focus on Arab prisoners just days after the Abu Ghraib prisoner scandal erupted. It seems like Al Queda wanted a propaganda response to the Abu Ghraib pictures in a hurry. In their line of thinking they probably felt they needed to show their strength after being humiliated so publicly by the release of the photos (the release of which was without a doubt FAR MORE humiliating than the activities that happened in the photos, thank you, CBS, for your deep concern for the Iraqis). Berg was an American who they could get their hands on quickly because he was already with them. Maybe they didn't even tell him they were going to kill him...just asked him to be tied up for a staged propaganda video. At any rate, Al Queda, especially this Zarqawi group seems to care nothing about killing innocent muslim Iraqis in car bombings, so why would they care about killing an American Jew just because he happened to sympathize with them?

How he could have been an Al Queda member while not exactly fitting the profile as a Jew needs to be addressed though. Obviously there is extreme sympathy among American leftists for Al Queda, and judging by his family's comments they fit that profile. Certainly American Jews are frequently rabid left-wingers. If Al Queda could look past the fact that he was Jewish, he could have had value to them. At the same time, there may have been less than universal agreement within Al Queda that they could trust him. We have heard for some time they have been trying to recruit more members who don't "fit the profile" of middle eastern men, although Berg's connections pre-date 9-11. Would he have been too useful as an agent to expend this way? Perhaps, but they probably had long since figured out he was more of an idiot then he was useful. We saw all the brilliance Jihad Johnny had to offer...leftist American morons are obviously going to be too stupid to be that indispensable to a foreign terrorist group. As a prop in a propaganda video, Al Queda probably got the best use out of him they could.

This reminds me of the story about how Saddam Hussein's staff lied to him that they produced WMD and then Saddam, thinking he had them, lied to the world about not having them. When it comes to islamics, you're always dealing with lies on top of lies upon lies inside other lies...

Now I wonder if the right-wing side of the media is going to pursue this story, or are they all too happy that the focus is again on the evil of Al Queda and off the Abu Ghraib scandal? Well, if they do pursue this, they could certainly keep some competition with the Ghraib scandal for American attention out there a little bit longer. Frankly, I think it's more important to pursue the strongest and clearest case yet of American leftists collaborating with our latest brutal foreign enemy than it is to try to bolster the war effort on Al Queda by showcasing their brutality against an "innocent" American. We can't let the way this story has been portrayed by both Al Queda and the press so far distract from the foul stench of liberal treason we are almost certainly witnessing here...

Anyone else in Pennsylvania think we can put together a petition to have the Berg family investigated for treason or at least expelled from the state, if possible?


169 posted on 05/13/2004 6:34:38 PM PDT by JediJones (An O'Reillyan Conservative)
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But in the wake of Berg's gruesome murder, it becomes a stranger than fiction coincidence --
an American who inadvertently gave away his computer password to one notorious
al Qaeda operative is later murdered by another notorious al Qaeda operative.


As they say out here in Hollywood...
You couldn't write that into a script...nobody would believe it.
171 posted on 05/13/2004 6:35:14 PM PDT by VOA
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Maybe this is what his father meant when he said they executed someone who would have seen the good in them until the very end. Maybe he was there to help them?


173 posted on 05/13/2004 6:38:42 PM PDT by ItisaReligionofPeace (I'm from the government and I'm here to help.)
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"If he was working with them, why would they kill him?"

Useful idiot who had already served his purpose? One who they found had been rounded up in a sweep for awhile and were afraid had "talked"?

198 posted on 05/13/2004 7:09:41 PM PDT by The G Man (John Kerry? America just can't afford a 9/10 President in a 9/11 world. Vote Bush-Cheney '04.)
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222 posted on 05/13/2004 7:45:54 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (Must get moose and squirrel ... B. Badanov)
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Another tinfoil hat theory. Ok, I'm thinking about this all day, since the circumastnces seem so incongruous.
Nick didn't have contracts over there, but said he was looking for them to help the Iraqi people. I think he could have found contracts if he went to KBR, etc. But one of his hotel acquaintances said he had lots of money and was climbing radio towers and "fiddling with things up there". Could he have been helping someone coordinate IEDs?
Why would the FBI want to know if he ever made a pipebomb? He doesn't seem to be telling quite the truth about
anything in any of the reports I've read.
I know, I'm wierd.


225 posted on 05/13/2004 7:55:16 PM PDT by tinamina
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