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To: MamaLucci

Uh, except very few iraqis are in Al Qaeda. Zarqawi himself is Jordanian. Most are Saudis, Jordanians, Pakistanis, Chechens, etc.

I've not heard of one Iraqi-native AQ member.

He doens't have ANSWER connections, his father does.

But keep on truckin'. Reynolds will be rich after these threads.


75 posted on 05/13/2004 5:29:54 PM PDT by Skywalk
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To: Skywalk
Chechens,

A Chechen might speak Russian.

78 posted on 05/13/2004 5:31:17 PM PDT by Fitzcarraldo
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To: Skywalk

You believe in near statistically impossible coinkydinks, I don't.


96 posted on 05/13/2004 5:38:27 PM PDT by MamaLucci (Libs, want answers on 911? Ask Clinton why he met with Monica more than with his CIA director.)
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To: Skywalk
Uh, except very few iraqis are in Al Qaeda. Zarqawi himself is Jordanian. Most are Saudis, Jordanians, Pakistanis, Chechens, etc. I've not heard of one Iraqi-native AQ member.

Then you haven't been paying attention. One of bin Laden's earliest al Qaeda associates in Afghanistan and Sudan was- is- an Iraqi native by the last name of Saad. [Not to be confused with bin Laden's son Saad]. The Iraqi Saad was referred to as bin Laden's engineer, and he worked on the Port Sudan road with bin Laden when old Osama had a lot of businesses there. As it happens, this is also the same time period when Iraq was trying to hide materials from UNSCOM in Sudan. Saad went wherever bin Laden went.

Iraq has a history of working with the National Islamic Front aka Islamic national Front in Sudan, etc. Cooperating with or supporting Islamist wackoes is not really unusual for Iraq- it also worked with the islamicist Allied Democratic Forces in Uganda.

There is evidence Iraqi leader Hussein funded the Armed Islamic Group in Algeria- known as the GIA and did so through al Qaeda and other terrorist groups.

JANUARY 1999 : (IRAQ & AL QAEDA RELATIONSHIP : IRAQ REORGANIZES ITS INTELLIGENCE NETWORKS THROUGHOUT EUROPE TO ACCOMODATE AL QAEDA; IRAQI MUKHABARAT AGENT HAQI ISMAIL LEAVES IRAQ TO TRAIN IN AFGHANISTAN AL QAEDA CAMP; ISMAIL IS BELIEVED TO BE A LIASON BETWEEN IRAQ, TALIBAN AND AL QAEDA. HE WAS GIVEN A POSITION IN THE TALIBAN FOREIGN MINISTRY) "86. In January 1999, IRAQ began reorganizing and mobilizing IRAQI INTELLIGENCE front operations throughout Europe in support of BIN LADEN and AL QAEDA. HAQI ISMAIL, believed to be a member of the IRAQ’S MUKHABARAT Secret Service, left IRAQ to train in an Afghanistan AL QAEDA camp. ISMAIL was believed to be a liason between IRAQ, the TALIBAN and AL QAEDA and was rewarded with a position in the TALIBAN Foreign Ministry." -- "Ashton, et al. v. al Qaeda, et al.: Complaint (PDF) Lawsuit claiming a 9/11 link between Iraq and al Qaeda. Sept. 3, 2002"

In al Qaeda's infamous Malaysia terrorist summit in January 2000, an Iraqi agetn, a native-born Iraqi- had an airport job courtesy of the Iraqi consulate. He met with two of the 911 hijackers and escorted them to the private meeting with the plotters of the USS Cole and 9/11 WTC attacks. His name is Abdel Hikmat Shakir and he attended the meetings which went on for a few days. After the meetings were over, two of the hijackers traveled from that meeting to San Diego. By the way, in Sahkir's apartment a number of documents tying him to terrorist attacks against the US were found.

Throughout the nineties, Iraqi intelligence officials met with al Qaeda leaders at least eight times. Similarly, Egyptian Islamic Jihad/al Qaeda's Zawahiri met with Iraqi officials in baghdad as early as 1992.

2001 end + ?: (AL QAEDA MEMBERS ACCEPT 2000 OFFER OF SAFE-HAVEN IN IRAQ. THE OFFER HAD BEEN EXTENDED IN 2000 BY AN IRAQI AGENT OF SADDAM HUSSEIN WHO IS ALSO PART OF THE SENIOR LEVELS OF ANSAR AL ISLAM) "... Baghdad has an agent in the most senior levels of the radical organization Ansar al-Islam, that controls this corner of Iraq. In 2000, this agent offered al-Qaeda safe haven in the region. After we swept al-Qaeda from Afghanistan, some of its members accepted this safe haven. " -- later comments by Colin Powell, "Exposed: Saddam's Prohibited Missiles and Support of al-Qaeda Terrorism," Colin Powell address to the UN Security Council on Wednesday, via Newsmax.com, Feb. 5, 2003

And then there is Mamdouh Mahmud Salim , some reports say he is Sudanese with Iraqi parents and in other sources as having been born in Iraq.

More on Salim :

A grand jury in U.S. District Court in Manhattan indicted Mamdouh Mahmud Salim on Jan. 6 for allegedly conspiring with bin Laden and others to murder Americans, use weapons of mass destruction — including conventional and nuclear weapons — transport explosives and disrupt and destroy U.S. national-defense operations.  Salim is being held without bail in the Metropolitan Correctional Center. If convicted, he could be sentenced to life in prison without parole.  A native of Sudan who is believed to be of Iraqi descent, Salim is alleged to be bin Laden’s finance chief. He was brought to the United States in December, three months after his arrest in Germany on a U.S. warrant.

And there is also

* Kasim Ali : AMSTERDAM — The guys around the scuba school laughingly called them the "Al Qaeda Diving Team." But for law enforcement officials, it was no joke. Late last year [in 2002] , Dutch counter-terrorism agents investigating a possible Al Qaeda recruitment cell grew interested in the school because a man suspected of recruiting terrorists had become a certified diver and studied to be an instructor there. Iraqi-born Kasim Ali was one of between 50 and 150 Muslim men who had taken classes in recent years with the same Tunisian instructor at the school in the city of Eindhoven, about 70 miles southeast of Amsterdam. - "Fears Persist of Terrorism Links at Scuba School; Few answers appear in the probe of students in Netherlands suspected of ties to Al Qaeda ," by Sebastian Rotella, LA Times, July 31 2003

And there is this:

* Khalid Sheik Mohammed aka KSM : 1995 : (PHILIPPINES ARRESTS 9 ABU SAYYAF MEMBERS UNDER THE LEADERSHIP OF KSM : 6 WERE IRAQI AGENTS) When police in the Philippines arrested nine members of Abu Sayyaf in 1995, they identified six of the nine as Iraqi agents. They believed this cell had operated under instructions from Khalid Sheik Mohammed, one of bin Laden's senior lieutenants. - "Powell's mission: to link Saddam with terror," theage.com.au, February 1 2003 http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/01/31/1043804523375.html.

And this :

Mahmoud Ahmad Mohammed Ahmad aka Omar al-Faruq : 2002 : (INDONESIA : IRAQI AL-FARUQ, WHO FORGED TIES BETWEEN JEMAAH ISLAMIAH & AL QAEDA, IS ARRESTED) Another prominent name is Omar al-Faruq, arrested last year in Indonesia and now in US custody. An Iraqi, born Mahmoud Ahmad Mohammed Ahmad, he, too, has travelled on false Kuwaiti passports. Faruq was instrumental in forging fraternal and financial links between al Qaeda and Indonesia's Jemaah Islamiah, accused of the Bali bombings. - "Powell's mission: to link Saddam with terror," theage.com.au, February 1 2003 http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/01/31/1043804523375.html.

And this :

* al-Mamouri 1982 - 1990 : (IRAQI INTELLIGENCE OFFICER AL MAMOURI IS EMPLOYED TO FORGE LINKS BETWEEN IRAQ & FUNDAMENTALIST GROUPS IN PAKISTAN, AFGHANISTAN, THE GULF & SUDAN) Italian officials say that Mr al-Mamouri held the rank of general in the Iraqi secret service, and from 1982 to 1990 worked in the Special Operations Branch forging Baghdad’s links with Islamic fundamentalist groups in Pakistan, Afghanistan, the Gulf and Sudan. - "Hijacker 'given anthrax flask by Iraqi agent'," by DANIEL MCGRORY, The London Times, SATURDAY OCTOBER 27 2001

another little tidbit for ya:

MARCH 2003 : (911 CONSPIRATOR GALAN WAS INVITED TO PARTY BY IRAQI AMBASSADOR TO SPAIN - IRAQ KNEW HIM NOT BY HIS NAME BUT BY HIS AL QAEDA ALIAS) An alleged terrorist accused of helping the 11 September conspirators was invited to a party by the Iraqi ambassador to Spain under his al-Qaeda nom de guerre, according to documents seized by Spanish investigators. Yusuf Galan, who was photographed being trained at a camp run by Osama bin Laden, is now in jail, awaiting trial in Madrid. The indictment against him, drawn up by investigating judge Baltasar Garzon, claims he was 'directly involved with the preparation and carrying out of the attacks ... by the suicide pilots on 11 September'. Evidence of Galan's links with Iraqi government officials came to light only recently, as investigators pored through more than 40,000 pages of documents seized in raids at the homes of Galan and seven alleged co-conspirators. The Spanish authorities have supplied copies to lawyers in America, and this week the documents will form part of a dossier to be filed in a federal court in Washington, claiming damages of approximately $100 billion on behalf of more than 2,500 11 September victims. The lawsuit lists Saddam's government in Iraq as one of its principal defendants, claiming it provided 'material support' to the al-Qaeda terrorists. Under US law, the victims' families do not have to prove active direction or involvement in the details of the 9/11 conspiracy by Iraq, only that Saddam's regime gave al-Qaeda more general assistance in the knowledge that it was planning to attack American targets. The evidence in support of the 9/11 damages claim cites several examples of this alleged co-operation. They include the terrorist training camp at Salman Pak near Baghdad, where former Iraqi intelligence brigadier Jamal al-Qurairy has said that non-Iraqi Islamic radicals were trained to hijack aircraft using knives. - "Spain links suspect in 9/11 plot to Baghdad," by David Rose, The Observer , see UK Guardian , Sunday March 16, 2003

There is quite a bit more out there and the information is only growing.

There is also a strong possibility that Ramzi Youssef is an Iraqi operative. He was certainly being harbored by Hussein. Khalid shaikh Mohammed may also be Iraqi. His ID is also based on Kuwaiti docs which were in Iraq's hands when Iraq invaded Kuwait.

223 posted on 05/13/2004 7:49:35 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge.)
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