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Could Nick Berg's execution be fake?
Pravda ^ | 05/14/2004 | Pater Havlasa

Posted on 05/18/2004 12:17:44 PM PDT by presidio9

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To: Texasforever

In the Berg tape, they literally sawed his head off and it was done with him in a prone position //

Given the surprise tackle, his blood pressure shoulda been very elevated which would make the blood spurt even more.

//and took several seconds to complete and most likely crushed the artery due to the dullness of the knife used.. This was not a quick clean slice of a sharp blade.//

It's the jagged cuts that rip up the arteries and veins the most causiung maximum blood loss.


81 posted on 05/18/2004 6:27:38 PM PDT by Jape
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To: Jape

There was a tarp on the floor and despite that, there was both blood on the floor and dripping from the severed head. If anyone that actually viewed that tape can say with a straight face that it was "faked' they are either lying about seeing the tape or are trying desperately to create a conspiracy theory.


82 posted on 05/18/2004 6:28:36 PM PDT by Texasforever (The French love John Kerry. He is their new Jerry Lewis)
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To: Texasforever

Was there dripping from the head? I'm pretty sure there wasn't so much as one drop.........


83 posted on 05/18/2004 6:31:17 PM PDT by Jape
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To: Jape

You are trying too hard to bolster your case. No it is NOT the case that actually crushing through the artery would cause more blood loss. Nor is it surprising that Berg did not resist more than he did. It is likely that Berg had been sedated in some way in the same manner they tried to sedate Perle. If he was sedated then his blood pressure and heart rate would have both been suppressed.


84 posted on 05/18/2004 6:32:47 PM PDT by Texasforever (The French love John Kerry. He is their new Jerry Lewis)
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To: Jape

Then you need to watch the tape again if you did indeed watch it before.


85 posted on 05/18/2004 6:33:43 PM PDT by Texasforever (The French love John Kerry. He is their new Jerry Lewis)
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To: presidio9
I just HAD to click on this to find out who in the hell would pose such a silly question.

Now I know. {LOL}

86 posted on 05/18/2004 6:34:00 PM PDT by DoctorMichael (The Fourth Estate is a Fifth Column!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: erikm88

someone posted a pic of him in the jumpsuit on FR. It was a shiny material, not cotton looking, but with a sheen. Maybe a mimic of the prisoner jumpsuits?

It may have been Diogynes, but I can't spell his screen name, so I can't check or ask him.


87 posted on 05/18/2004 6:34:11 PM PDT by eyespysomething (The Barbarians are at the Gates. Don't give Kerry the key!)
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To: joyce11111

I use to have a video of Muslims beheading a white caucasion. I don't know who the boy was. I say boy, because he looked as if, he was late teens or early 20's. It didn't show all of the beheading, just the knife going thru front of the neck and throat. There was no doubt, it was real. The camera zoomed in on the neck and head. It was horrible.

With the N. Berg video, it didn't show enough to actually prove it was real. No zoom on the video . I don't think it was real.

The guys in the hoods are probably all Democrats.


88 posted on 05/18/2004 6:34:26 PM PDT by auggy (http://home.bellsouth.net/p/PWP-DownhomeKY /// Check out My USA Photo album & Fat Files)
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To: george wythe
"made it seem as if nature itself was calling for a moment of silent reflection. "

Oh puh leeze. He had no business being over there. His Dad is a commie. Having said that, let's find the a holes that did this and string them up.

89 posted on 05/18/2004 6:37:29 PM PDT by justanotherday (There's no thread like a rethread.)
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To: Texasforever
The Berg tape has spawned a cottage industry and rejuvinated the internet nether regions. Reality is being directly challenged and "evidence" is whatever some 14 year old can do with an entry level PC and a few frames of blurred images.

The images were bad but the sound was haunting. I'd be interested in an analysis of the event but I'm not sure I'd want to meet someone who could stomach doing the "work".

I have noticed that since the beheading/murder Zarqawi has made it obvious that he is challenging the stale command structure of al-Qaeda to shift the center of gravity to his al-Tawhid (Unity) gang which is now defined by his actions in the recruiting video.

Looks to me like our "folly" in Iraq is ground-zero for the next holy war if the bad guys can just find enough bodies. Perfect. I hope that any able bodied jihadist hears the call and comes down to the valley of death. Saves us a trip.

90 posted on 05/18/2004 6:45:22 PM PDT by nunya bidness (Yorktown)
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To: presidio9

Speechless here.


91 posted on 05/18/2004 6:47:01 PM PDT by Publius6961 (I don't do diplomacy either.)
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To: Numbers Guy
"Pravda" is still living up to the opposite of its title.

Just proving my contention that a lot of reporters at The New York Times,
Washington Post, LA Times, etc. must be old hands from Pravda/Isvestia who
got out when the USSR broke up.
92 posted on 05/18/2004 6:49:12 PM PDT by VOA
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To: presidio9

Pravda wants to "stave off a few readers from becoming an easy emotional target and a news puppet". Heh . . .


93 posted on 05/18/2004 6:55:46 PM PDT by BraveMan
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To: TheCrusader
"Just picture a milk gallon jug (and then 1/2 again) on your shoulders..."

I did, and I came up with an image of Al Gore.

No not algore the extra 1/2 gallon is kerrys chin

94 posted on 05/18/2004 7:05:33 PM PDT by Gone_Postal ("government big enough to give you everything you want is a government big enough to it all away)
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To: presidio9
Here (WARNING! GRAPHIC!! DIRECT LINK) is a video of Muslims killing a Russian soldier in Chechnya. SECOND WARNING! The page this comes from is here.

The soldier gets shot (he's unarmed of course) by the Muslims then they cut his head off almost exactly like they did Berg's.

We should never cut these animals any slack.

95 posted on 05/18/2004 7:45:49 PM PDT by isthisnickcool (I'm isthisnickcool, and I approved this post!)
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To: presidio9
If I may put on my foil hat for a moment...

Islamofascists have become very energetic at playing to the Western Left, particularly the news media. If I were a terrorist operative trying to beat the Great Satan Bush, and I saw how hard the NYT, London Times, et. al. were trying to assist me, I'd sprinkle plenty of red herrings into everything I do in order to give them conspiracy fodder.

Head cut off after death, orange jumpsuit, dubbed audio... call me crazy, but I still trust the CIA and Bush more than I trust al Qaeda.

96 posted on 05/18/2004 8:14:39 PM PDT by Starve The Beast (I used to be disgusted, but now I try to be amused)
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To: Ichneumon
The human body contains about six liters of blood -- which is roughly a gallon and a half.
97 posted on 05/19/2004 7:38:08 AM PDT by Junior (Sodomy non sapiens)
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To: Ichneumon
the head would have to be *completely hollow* to hold anywhere near even a gallon of liquid

Hey, I never insulted you! Quit talking about me like that.

98 posted on 05/19/2004 10:42:36 AM PDT by brewcrew
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