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Could Nick Berg's execution be fake?
Pravda ^ | 05/14/2004 | Pater Havlasa

Posted on 05/18/2004 12:17:44 PM PDT by presidio9

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To: presidio9

Pravda is going back to the old tactics-- make up the lie and repeat it often enough and it will become truth. They're outlining the road map for the conspiracy crowd to follow, who will never use their critical thinking to question the 'troubling questions.' Propaganda.


41 posted on 05/18/2004 12:55:10 PM PDT by atomicpossum (Hey, I wouldn't touch Camryn Manheim's uterus on a bet.)
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To: presidio9

Sure it could have been a fake. He could have lost his head in a nasty laundry accident. But I'm thinking probably not.


42 posted on 05/18/2004 12:55:44 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: presidio9

I feel like Dan Rather using trite sayings to describe the situation, but anyway....

Pravada - The more things change, the more they stay the same.

The barbaric decapitation - None are so blind as those who will not see.


43 posted on 05/18/2004 12:59:08 PM PDT by Eva
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To: isatoi
....and if you watch the video closely, when they knock him over he has the exact same expression on his face as he does in the end. He was like a sack of potatoes, limp. Which could stand to show that he could have possibly been dead already like the man is saying.
44 posted on 05/18/2004 1:00:02 PM PDT by isatoi (Yesterday is history. Tomorrow a mystery.. Today is a gift. That's why it's called the present!)
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To: Billthedrill
The Problem with Pravda
45 posted on 05/18/2004 1:00:51 PM PDT by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com/)
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To: Billthedrill

Actually the hooded individuals in the video were Penn, Teller, David Copperfield and David Blaine.


46 posted on 05/18/2004 1:00:56 PM PDT by AngieGOP (Now where did I put my tinfoil tiara?)
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To: presidio9
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47 posted on 05/18/2004 1:01:05 PM PDT by dfwgator (It's sad that the news media treats Michael Jackson better than our military.)
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To: presidio9
Nick Berg was not Jewish.

Nick Berg's father said that he was Jewish, that's good enough for me.

Berg's father said his son was Jewish and had a fringed religious cloth with him, but he did not think Berg wore the clothing in public. Still, "there's a better chance than not that they knew he was Jewish," Michael Berg said. "If there was any doubt that they were going to kill him that probably clinched it, I'm guessing.

CNN

48 posted on 05/18/2004 1:02:05 PM PDT by Hillary's Lovely Legs (I am trying to stop an outbreak here and you're driving the monkey to the airport.)
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To: presidio9
Nick Berg was not Jewish.

Why was his funeral held at a conservative Jewish synagogue?

A hot and hazy afternoon became momentarily cool Friday when a gentle breeze blew clouds over Kesher Israel Congregation and the surrounding land. The clouds themselves weren’t unusual, but their appearance moments before a memorial service for murdered West Chester resident Nicholas Berg made it seem as if nature itself was calling for a moment of silent reflection.

Berg, the 26-year-old whose beheaded body was found along a Baghdad road last weekend, was buried Friday morning. His memorial service mid-afternoon drew hundreds of mourners to Kesher Israel, located off Pottstown Pike in West Goshen.


49 posted on 05/18/2004 1:02:10 PM PDT by george wythe
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To: presidio9

'Course it was fake! It was only a movie, don't you know? Only a movie.


50 posted on 05/18/2004 1:04:45 PM PDT by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything!")
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To: gandalftb
Here's my take on Berg. He was a gifted but under-socialized young man who wanted recognition and approval. He saw himself as a hero to the Jew/Muslim conflict. The go-between, acceptable to both sides, that brought the parties together.

His business was named after Prometheus the original hero image presented by Greek mythology. Prometheus brought fire to earth from the Heavens.

He pursued contacts with Muslims at every opportunity and he considered himself invulnerable and safe with them.

He wanted to talk their talk, that's why he studied anti-Jewish literature.

His delusional sense of power was also demonstrated by his weight lifting and boldness in approaching Muslim society. Finally, he made one contact too many.

51 posted on 05/18/2004 1:05:10 PM PDT by gandalftb
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Just a couple things:

when the body was found, someone here asked if it was found in two parts? (i.e. the head, and the body) Do we know whether it was just the body found w/o the head? If so, how can one identify the body only as Nick Berg? Also, just because a video is released on the internet of "someone" being decapitated, and then finding a decapitated body doesn't mean that the person on the video is necessarily the same person who was found decapitated, especially in an unstable and violent 3rd world country where decapitations would be fairly widespread... to a degree. Unless DNA testing confirmed it was nick berg, because you surely can't use dental records.

Also, the orange jumpsuit is kind of strange, I don't know what to think about that one.

Although the quality of the video was bad, I would expect more blood than what was shown on the video.

Anyway... I think i'm sounding more like a paranoid conspiratoriologist, than a clear-headed, rational American...

the whole thing is screwed up!

--erik

52 posted on 05/18/2004 1:07:44 PM PDT by erikm88
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To: gandalftb
The orange jumpsuit was odd as he was found in his original street clothes. That may have been an anti-escape tactic.

You mean because he would have had a hard time hiding or blending-in in an orange jumpsuit? That seems like a pretty good angle.

I wonder if may have been to reinforce the message that the beheading was retribution for the US's treatment of Iraqi prisoners. They put Berg in an outfit that many people would recognize as US prison garb, thereby hammering that connection home.

53 posted on 05/18/2004 1:07:51 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: vetvetdoug

I saw on anther thread where the timer is explained. There are 2 cameras...I post you the link.


54 posted on 05/18/2004 1:09:58 PM PDT by Feiny (This post ain't for everybody, just the sexy freepers.)
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To: presidio9

This article is lame and not worth responding to point by point.


55 posted on 05/18/2004 1:10:22 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: isatoi
This raises yet another good point, there was blood all over the ground where they appeared to be sawing his head off, so why was there no blood on his outfit nor on the head itself??????????

That's what I've been saying. I saw the tape and I now suspect there's more than one "version" floating around because on mine, I didn't see any blood on the floor, on the jumpsuit, spurting across the room, on the bad dudes' hands, and the face was clean as a whistle when it was placed on the body. Let me repeat that - THE FACE WAS CLEAN AS A WHISTLE WHEN IT WAS PLACED ON THE BODY. The only time I saw what might have been something that might have been blood was when the head was lifted into the air. Of course the "something" could have been skin, hair, or even a dust bunny but it was just a single something rather than a stream, spurt, or dripping blood. My theory, since I obviously wasn't there, is he was already dead and they thought later it'd be a great bit of Hollywood and bragging rights to add a beheading to the video.

56 posted on 05/18/2004 1:10:40 PM PDT by mtbopfuyn
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To: All
Did you all read the last line?

"This article aims at proving or alleging nothing. The point is to provoke doubt and hopefully stave off a few readers from becoming an easy emotional target and a news puppet."

That's all I have to say about that.

57 posted on 05/18/2004 1:14:36 PM PDT by LurkedLongEnough (Bush '04 --- in a F'n landslide.)
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To: vetvetdoug

http://www.truth-teller.com/000041.html


58 posted on 05/18/2004 1:16:06 PM PDT by Feiny (This post ain't for everybody, just the sexy freepers.)
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To: presidio9
And then, there was the Ryder truck parked on a grassy knoll at an Army depot!


59 posted on 05/18/2004 1:16:09 PM PDT by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything!")
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To: Florida_Freeper
"Just picture a milk gallon jug (and then 1/2 again) on your shoulders..."

I did, and I came up with an image of Al Gore.

60 posted on 05/18/2004 1:16:18 PM PDT by TheCrusader
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