Deliveryman: I Shot Man In Self-Defense(Fired from Pizza Hut for Saving his life from Thug!!)

http://www.theindychannel.com ^ | 05-18-2004

[NJ Freeper]

A Pizza Hut deliveryman who police say fatally shot a man on the city's east side Monday night says he acted in self-defense.

Ronald Honeycutt, 38, of Carmel, says he had just delivered a pizza at the Oaks Apartments around 11 p.m. Monday when a man approached him with a gun.

Honeycutt (pictured, right), who was near his delivery van and had his own gun, fired 15 times at the man, later identified as Jerome Brown, 20, of Indianapolis. Brown was taken to a hospital, where he was pronounced dead.

"The only thing I can do is protect myself, and if that means shooting somebody that intends to shoot you, so be it," Honeycutt told RTV6's Jack Rinehart Tuesday. "I'm sick of the crime and I'm sick of being victimized."

Honeycutt said that after the shooting, he picked up Brown's handgun and drove to a Pizza Hut, where sheriff's deputies took him into custody. Police questioned Honeycutt and then released him.

Pizza Hut, which has a policy forbidding deliverymen to carry weapons, fired Honeycutt soon after the shooting, Rinehart reported.

The county coroner's office Tuesday determined Brown died of multiple gunshot wounds.

Honeycutt said he used all the ammunition he had because Brown kept standing.

"The guy literally stood there the whole time with his arm up," Honeycutt said. "The whole time, I'm popping off rounds ... (and) the guy's still standing there after 15 rounds went off in him."

Honeycutt, who has a valid license to carry a firearm, said he planned to buy another handgun and go back to work with a different pizza business.

The Marion County prosecutor's office will review the case to determine whether Honeycutt acted in self-defense, Rinehart reported.

[Squantos]

We used to reload some rounds with #4 buck using #9 shot as a filler between the #4's............I think there was a like product used by the SAS called a Malaysian load for jungle and close quarters.

I'll ping my resident SAS subject matter expert Texasproud to verify the SAS use of such......:o)

Stay Safe Ya'll !

[PoorMuttly]

I always wondered why that #9 or such "buffer" wasn't done, since there's so much wasted room between buckshot. Now I know it was !

The mantra is the Treasury uses #4, which I suppose Mel Tappan ("Survival Guns" paperback...still sound advice) popularized. The Wound Ballistics guys say #1 works best indoors, gets the job actually done, and doesn't overpenetrate walls and such. They claim birdshot creates a horrible wound (from which most eventually succomb, I assume), but these professional Wound Ballistics specialists are primarily interested in what STOPS them NOW...which usually, more reliably, means death...the other variations giving enough time for one to be killed. They rip Marshall & Sanow a new one too. Woah.

Hey...do you and yours know about (like you wouldn't) the V.N. room-clearing trick of reloading a 12ga. shell with $1.60 in dimes ? Said to fly everythere, and do a serious job. This is, I suppose, what Thurston Howell III uses as a Trap load.

[PoorMuttly]

Table 1. Lead Birdshot

Shot
Number Pellet Diameter
(Inches) Average Pellet
Weight (Grains) Approximate # of
Pellets per Ounce
12 .05 .18 2385
11 .06 .25 1750
9 .08 .75 585
8 1/2 .085 .88 485
8 .09 1.07 410
7 1/2 .095 1.25 350
6 .11 1.95 225
5 .12 2.58 170
4 .13 3.24 135
2 .15 4.86 90
BB .18 8.75 50

Table 2. Lead Buckshot

Shot
Number Pellet Diameter
(Inches) Average Pellet
Weight (Grains)
4 .24 20.6
3 .25 23.4
2 .27 29.4
1 .30 40.0
0 .32 48.3
00 .33 53.8
000 .36 68.0

[Squantos]

I use a Benelli M1 which can be stuffed with 9 rounds if ya use the follower trick. My first three rounds are copper solid slugs for kevlar clad criminals (they'll break ribs under body armor) and then #5 turkey shot for urban area.

But in my casa firearms are only after locks , electronics, outside puppies, locks, electronics and inside puppies have failed in my security plan.

You still have Mel's paperback ???? Kewl ! That was a childhood read that I could'nt put down.

Stay Safe !

[Squantos]

The dimes thang was just played out in a Wild West Tech show on the Hitler Channel about Billy The Kid When he killed his jailer "Bob" with such a load. Fired from the alledged distance it didn't hit shit. Also when fired from close enough to hit a target (a pig carcass) it didn't penetrate at all. The dimes were superfical injuries pretty much on that show. Leading one to believe that myth was involved in the tale. I have seen some exotic loads that used two cast lead balls connected by some wire cable fishing leader. They seem to be pretty nasty in theory but the little gators will dine on your life if ya ever have to use such in self defense.

During the 4th of July I like to light up our backyard BBQ with some of the magnesium dragons breath loads fired into the night sky with my benelli........... Great light and noise show. I suspect that 9 rounds of that at close range are the poor mans flame thrower. They are expensive but real fun as a "eye opener".............:o)

Bottom line for me is KISS principal. More can be done with a dove load at close inside the dwelling than most know. A 12 gauge ain't a Claymore mine albeit the old duckbill attachments make em such. I haven't seen duckbills for sale anywhere recently. A "friend" has a AOW NFA rig called a SERBU that has a duckbill installed . At 15 feet the pattern will cover an entire doorway if held sideways and fired. Downside is slugs are not included in the diet or self destruct "eaker" mode kicks in.

Stay Safe Muttly !

[PoorMuttly]

Huh. End of a great Muttly formula. Never thought dimes had enough weight...but never tried.

Since I was a pup...realized that #5 shot is the very best upland game load for me, even in 20ga....only choke is important. It hits harder, farther. 4 is too big, 6 too small. I have done great rabbit work with an old rusty Stevens single-barrel 3" with #5 Turkey loads, on the ranch, when that's all I had...and normal loads shot low and left, for unknown reason. 3" shot straight...although I found it adviseable to try to "clip" them with the edge of the pattern, if possible, if the barbecue awaited, as it was last Thanksgiving ! As you said...use what you have, if it's all you have. Case in point: ran out of 3"-#5s afield...only had one 3"-#4 BUCK left...bunny appeared @ 40+ feet away (rabbits are attracting lots of coyotes, bobcats...cougars..) so my mission is to thin their ranks...so I aimed high, and caught him in the head with a pellet or two..which sent him skidding sideways head first around 15 feet ! What a sight. Didn't sperl no meat neither.

BTW, unrelated..came across this FIY:

Fackler, when asked to estimate the survival time of someone shot in the front mid-abdomen with a Glaser slug, responded, "About three days, and the cause of death would be peritonitis."

[Rockpile]

Back about 10 years ago Pizza Hut fired a delivery man in Kansas for defending himself against armed robbers by use of his AR 15.

Here in West Texas we've had Japan Eleven fire employees for {non-gun} action against thugs. In Odessa in the 90s one guy who had just been selected Employee of the Year or some such award was punished for protecting one of the women customers from assault by a gang punk. I loathe the vermin.

I should add that occurred at least twice in Odessa.

[PoorMuttly]

Score for the afternoon...testing my ol' s/s 29" bbl. double trigger 2 3/4"...Muttly 6...Varmints 1 (too long a shot). High Brass #6 Federals worked great. Win. #8's were almost useless except for the noise, then mulched a bunny at 60 ft...so I threw it near the coyote den as chum. They are on my list, so it wasn't wasted.

That duckbill thing is the "Wing Diverter," invented by Dr. Eustus Wing, with whom I once spoke on the telephone in the 70's. Wish I still had that gizmo. There were 2 kinds...a mild one which threw an oval pattern, and an LE Only one, which threw a horizontal spread..great for riot-control, ricocheting shot off the ground, and annoyingly into the legs of the opponents, he said...or a one-shot machinegun-type field of fire with Buckshot, really quite astounding...until you blow it off with a slug. The oval one cleared slug diameter..and was great. It is essentially a ported muzzlebrake.

[Thumper1960]

I disagree. PizzaHut violates Constitutional protections when they forbid a citizen from carrying a firearm in his own vehicle. And, of course, it does make sense to boycott PepsiCo for their policies. People in PepsiCo's corporate structure came up with the policy. Not liberal judges or Demoncrat politicians.

The deliveryman is better off not working for a company that would never stand behind him. A company that willingly puts its employees at mortal risk for profit is no good employer. PepsiCo proves that it deserves neither the consumers money, nor the consumers loyalty.

[Cap'n Crunch]

Wonder if Bruce Springsteen is gonna come out with a new song..."15 times..."

[Thumper1960]

Whoever said you need a permit to carry a weapon?

The guv'mint?

LOL

[Old Professer]

All this for a pizza!?

And the guy wants this job back?

[LetsRok]

The deliveryman is better off not working for a company that would never stand behind him. A company that willingly puts its employees at mortal risk for profit is no good employer. PepsiCo proves that it deserves neither the consumers money, nor the consumers loyalty.

I don't know. Maybe Pizza Hut does not think is a good idea if my customers get the idea that the guy knocking on their door is also armed. Some families may want to order their pizza elsewhere.

[Safetgiver]

Workmen's comp is sometimes self-insured. As far a liability and/or casualty, Any larger insurance company would handle it if the company had the bucks. I audit insurance company's a lot and have never seen a security company on any of their books, now that I think about it.

[Thumper1960]

If your customers have to worry about your employees,(for any reason) I'd wager they'd be getting their pizzas elsewhere, anyway.

[Studebaker Hawk]

Does that mean I could walk up to the Brinks,Wells Fargo, etc. armored car and ask pretty please for some money?

[R. Scott]

I used to deliver for Channello’s Pizza and they had the same policy. One of our drivers shot a bad guy and a short time late a store manager did the same thing while protecting store employees.
The day after the drive escaped death Channello’s changed the policy from “forbidden to carry” to “discouraged from carrying”.

[R. Scott]

Pre-fragged rounds are the only way to go.

[gitmo]

He should be fired. The company policy says that employees are not allowed to carry guns. If he didn't get fired the company would have to allow all employees the ability to register for a carry permit.

I think the surviving family of the next PH deliveryman that gets killed should sue PH for putting them in dangerous situations but not allowing them to defend themselves.

[GSlob]

"Sounds like he needs to use a larger caliber, though."
As he shot 15 rds (w/o reloading) he must have used 9mm. We are not told how many shots he placed on the target (remember these cops in NYC few yrs back?- 41 shot, 19 hits.) If his shooting was anything like that, he needed large capacity. As for 9mm, HydraShock (147gr) is pretty decent, especially from >6" barrels (or in "+P+").