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Deliveryman: I Shot Man In Self-Defense(Fired from Pizza Hut for Saving his life from Thug!!)
http://www.theindychannel.com ^ | 05-18-2004

Posted on 05/21/2004 10:26:28 AM PDT by NJ Freeper

A Pizza Hut deliveryman who police say fatally shot a man on the city's east side Monday night says he acted in self-defense.

Ronald Honeycutt, 38, of Carmel, says he had just delivered a pizza at the Oaks Apartments around 11 p.m. Monday when a man approached him with a gun.

Honeycutt (pictured, right), who was near his delivery van and had his own gun, fired 15 times at the man, later identified as Jerome Brown, 20, of Indianapolis. Brown was taken to a hospital, where he was pronounced dead.

"The only thing I can do is protect myself, and if that means shooting somebody that intends to shoot you, so be it," Honeycutt told RTV6's Jack Rinehart Tuesday. "I'm sick of the crime and I'm sick of being victimized."

Honeycutt said that after the shooting, he picked up Brown's handgun and drove to a Pizza Hut, where sheriff's deputies took him into custody. Police questioned Honeycutt and then released him.

Pizza Hut, which has a policy forbidding deliverymen to carry weapons, fired Honeycutt soon after the shooting, Rinehart reported.

The county coroner's office Tuesday determined Brown died of multiple gunshot wounds.

Honeycutt said he used all the ammunition he had because Brown kept standing.

"The guy literally stood there the whole time with his arm up," Honeycutt said. "The whole time, I'm popping off rounds ... (and) the guy's still standing there after 15 rounds went off in him."

Honeycutt, who has a valid license to carry a firearm, said he planned to buy another handgun and go back to work with a different pizza business.

The Marion County prosecutor's office will review the case to determine whether Honeycutt acted in self-defense, Rinehart reported.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bang; banglist; guncontrol; guns; pizzawar; rhodesia; secondamendment; selfdefense
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To: Slings and Arrows
Oh-oh, 15 round magazine and he's not a cop?
Could be trouble......

(in IL he'd face life)
semi-joking

21 posted on 05/21/2004 10:48:27 AM PDT by Condor51 (Leftists Are Moral and Intellectual Parasites)
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To: NJ Freeper

Time to re-evalute that whimpy 9mm, I wouldn't get caught dead with it, pun intended.


22 posted on 05/21/2004 10:48:38 AM PDT by eastforker (The color of justice is green,just ask Johny Cochran!)
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To: NJ Freeper
Brown was taken to a hospital, where he was pronounced dead.

Good.

23 posted on 05/21/2004 10:49:41 AM PDT by JesseHousman (Execute Mumia Abu-Jamal)
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To: NJ Freeper

Ok, ok..some POS died and the Pizza dude did a good job. BUT the article doesn't answer one all important question.

Did the Pizza's get delivered on time??


24 posted on 05/21/2004 10:51:10 AM PDT by Gator113
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To: LetsRok

you said"He should be fired. The company policy says that employees are not allowed to carry guns. If he didn't get fired the company would have to allow all employees the ability to register for a carry permit. " And the down side is?.....


25 posted on 05/21/2004 10:51:28 AM PDT by eastforker (The color of justice is green,just ask Johny Cochran!)
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To: d-back

I agree with you.

Way too many employers have these stupid policies, which are a result of court systems not holding miscreants responsible for their actions. The simple fact is, a company's policy is easily ignored and they can't search your person(bags can be checked) so no one is really protected. The person who means harm will ignore the policy AND ignore the law on murder or robbery. Meanwhile the rest of us will be disarmed in the face of such an act or will be fired when we are a FRIGGING HERO!

The use of private regulations is the way the Second Amendment will be made useless. Combine it with the increased technology and soon everywhere you go will be scanning you for weapons and our rights will be lost forever.


26 posted on 05/21/2004 10:51:55 AM PDT by Skywalk (Transdimensional Jihad!!)
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To: fedupwithlibs
May I suggest a .40 S&W COR-BON 135 gr with a 96%+ "One Shot Stopping Power".

That's what I load up my S&W "Shorty .40" with. And if not, I just go for head shots.

27 posted on 05/21/2004 10:52:29 AM PDT by ChuckShick (He's clerking for me...)
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To: NJ Freeper
We had a similar thing happen here a few years ago at Papa John’s. A friend of mine was held up and he shot the punk. Didn’t kill him, but grazed the side of his head. (They wouldn’t have tried it if they had seen him outside of the car. He’s about 6’10”, 400# at the time.) Papa John’s fired him. They said it was their policy for the drivers to not carry weapons. Several people, including myself wrote letters stating that if he was not rehired, they would never eat there again. I also worked there at one point, and stated that at no time was I made aware of their anti-self-defense-who-cares-about-our-drivers-no-weapons policy. He was rehired due to the publicity of the outcry.

He was then refired about a month later after the ruckus died down.

28 posted on 05/21/2004 10:52:54 AM PDT by tnlibertarian
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To: Slings and Arrows
A fine choice. I favor a Charter Arms Bulldog loaded with Cor-Bon 165 gr. JHP's.

Very nice. You can't go wrong with either.

29 posted on 05/21/2004 10:54:30 AM PDT by fedupwithlibs ("The most effective ammo is that which you have available at the proper time and are able to place")
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To: NJ Freeper

Previous thread.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1139902/posts


30 posted on 05/21/2004 10:57:23 AM PDT by cinFLA
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To: NJ Freeper

One recent evening, as I arrived at a competing pizza chain's carryout-only location, one of the delivery guys was just coming back from a run.

He spotted the pro-2nd Amendment vanity tag on my car and called out,

"Hey, man! I really like your tag!

And proceeded to briefly raise his shirt to reveal the semi he was carrying in an inside-the-waistband holster.

I thanked him, grinned and patted the small bulge on my hip twice as I turned and walked into the store.


31 posted on 05/21/2004 10:59:40 AM PDT by George Smiley (Is the RKBA still a right if you have to get the government's permission before you can exercise it?)
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To: NJ Freeper
Or you could move to Texas, where we can not only shoot bad guys, but also chase them down to do it.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1135809/posts

32 posted on 05/21/2004 11:00:01 AM PDT by Nita Nupress
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To: NJ Freeper
"Honeycutt, who has a valid license to carry a firearm, said he planned to buy another handgun and go back to work with a different pizza business"

Was his handgun confiscated? Did he not like his handgun’s performance? Did I miss something in the article?
33 posted on 05/21/2004 11:01:13 AM PDT by School of Rational Thought (Here is a more complete story from Indianapolis Star)
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To: blackdog

PH is not part of Pepsi anymore, but the idea is correct. Back in 1994, when I first started working with Frito-Lay (still a part of Pepsi), one of the drivers who took me on my initial training was killed in a robbery. He was unarmed. The more things change, the more they stay the same.


34 posted on 05/21/2004 11:01:54 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: NJ Freeper
I advise waiting for the whole story before determining it was self-defense. The media rarely ever gets the story straight. If you wish to FReep Pizza Hut, do it for their policy of forbidding their employees from carrying weapons. I have prosecuted several robberies that targeted pizza delivery persons. I think a person would be crazy to do that job unarmed (or be a clerk at a convenience store).
35 posted on 05/21/2004 11:02:08 AM PDT by Law is not justice but process
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To: d-back

I have a carry permit. If my employer new that I was armed I would expect to get fired if I brought by weapon into the office. He knew the rules BEFORE ACCEPTING EMPLOYMENT WITH PIZZA HUT. He was fired for breaking the company policy.


36 posted on 05/21/2004 11:02:19 AM PDT by LetsRok
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To: d-back
This guy had, and has, a God-given inalienable right to defend his life.

And he exercised it. Good for him. He does not, however, have a God-given inalienable right to work for Pizza Hut.

37 posted on 05/21/2004 11:05:14 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: eastforker

Agreed. I upgraded from a Browning hi-power some years ago to the old reliable 1911 .45 ACP with Hornady Custom 200Gr JHP XTP


38 posted on 05/21/2004 11:05:30 AM PDT by Taquito
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To: blackdog

Pizza Hut hasn't been part of PepsiCo since 1997.


39 posted on 05/21/2004 11:06:50 AM PDT by Cousin Eddie
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To: Onelifetogive
"If Pizza Hut knowingly allows delivery people to pack heat, they are open to law suits."

Very true. They would also be vulnerable if they were willfully blind about it. However, the counter to that would be to train them properly if they chose to carry and to make sure they always had concealed carry permits. If potential robbers knew some were armed and trained in self defense, all would get some degree of protection. Call them "Pizza Marshals."
40 posted on 05/21/2004 11:07:17 AM PDT by Law is not justice but process
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