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The Right Can't Win This Fight
LA Times ^ | May 20, 2004 | Max Boot

Posted on 05/23/2004 5:03:35 PM PDT by neverdem

With gay marriage on a roll, it's time to move on to another battle.

For decades, social conservatives have been fighting and losing culture wars. Contraception and abortion — once taboo topics — have been enshrined into law. The rates of premarital sex, out-of-wedlock births and divorce have soared since the 1950s (though lately most of these indexes have leveled off or declined slightly). In school, prayer is out; sex education is in. On TV, characters used to say "gee whiz" and sleep in twin beds; now they curse as if they had Tourette's syndrome and flash skin as if they were Gypsy Rose Lee.

This doesn't mean that America is in cultural decline; no one who saw the response to 9/11 can think we are soft or decadent. It does mean there is little mystery about how the latest culture war — over gay marriage — will turn out. Opponents of same-sex marriages may have most of the public on their side for now, but they've already all but lost this battle.

How do I know? Simply by looking at the arguments being advanced by both sides. Advocates of same-sex marriage speak in the powerful language of civil rights and liken their cause to that of African Americans fighting anti-miscegenation laws in years past. And what do opponents say in response? Once upon a time, the case would have been open and shut: Sodomy is a sin, period. Many people may still believe that, but that's no longer a tenable argument in our secularized politics.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California; US: District of Columbia
KEYWORDS: culturewars; gaymarriage; homosexualagenda; homosexuality; marriage; maxboot; prisoners; sodomy
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This OpEd column was mentioned on "The Beltway Boys" this weekend. The author is definitely not a strong soldier in the culture war. I can't understand why homosexuality is not stressed as the major cause of transmitting HIV/AIDS in this country by all the public health nannies other than sheer hypocrisy.

Suicidal political correctnesss

The link goes to the table, but the whole article is available and interesting, just scroll.

1 posted on 05/23/2004 5:03:35 PM PDT by neverdem
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2 posted on 05/23/2004 5:05:28 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: neverdem

America is in cultural decline.


3 posted on 05/23/2004 5:05:28 PM PDT by freekitty
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To: neverdem

America is on a cultural decline. The people who are fighting back against our enemies are not the same as the people who infest our corrupted courts, universities, media, and entertainment industry.


4 posted on 05/23/2004 5:09:56 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: neverdem
This doesn't mean that America is in cultural decline; no one who saw the response to 9/11 can think we are soft or decadent.

Boot's got his head in the sand.

5 posted on 05/23/2004 5:10:36 PM PDT by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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To: freekitty

Brought on by a court that chooses to make Law, not enforce it. The people of MASS were denied the right to decide the legal interpretation of marriage by the stste Senate, aided and abetted by the Boston Globe. This travesty of justice requires a response by the people.


6 posted on 05/23/2004 5:10:54 PM PDT by justanotherday
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To: neverdem

This is not the Right's fight, this is for everybody's sake.

For the life of me, the last time special rights were given for people's racial or sexual preferences was in Nazi Germany.

So I guess liberals do have a point, liberals can ultimately transform the US of A into a social fascist state. Nothing to gloat about.


7 posted on 05/23/2004 5:11:07 PM PDT by JudgemAll
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To: neverdem
Advocates of same-sex marriage speak in the powerful language of civil rights and liken their cause to that of African Americans fighting anti-miscegenation laws in years past.

The smelly libs are shooting themselves in the foot with this line of reasoning. The civil rights defenders have been denouncing the gay marriage agenda.

8 posted on 05/23/2004 5:14:12 PM PDT by Vision Thing (Liberal democrats & the Mainstream Press: Passionately defending the Enemy since the 1960s.)
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To: neverdem

"...no one who saw the response to 9/11 can think we are soft or decadent."

Right after,ok.How about since?


9 posted on 05/23/2004 5:15:01 PM PDT by John W
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To: neverdem
This battle is already lost.

The downward spiral continues.

Cal Thomas expounds

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10 posted on 05/23/2004 5:16:29 PM PDT by mcmuffin
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To: neverdem
Max needs to get the boot! Sometimes it's better to lose with honor that to run from the fight.
11 posted on 05/23/2004 5:17:15 PM PDT by .cnI redruM ("Angst is their calling card. Psychotherapy their badge of honor. Dems are the no-no party.")
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To: neverdem
The inherent danger of anal intercourse combined with the propensity of gay men to engage in sex with multiple partners is indeed the reason HIV/AIDS has spread more rapidly in that community (it is far more difficult for a man to get AIDS from a woman through heterosexual sex). But the pro-gay-marriage crowd would argue that encouraging gay couples to form long-term and legally binding marital relationships some of the problems of promiscuity would be reduced.

I think the issue is not one of rights, but rather of state recognized privilege (like the privilege of driving, hunting or fishing). You do after all need a license. States have long held the power to restrict access by certain individuals to privileges accorded to the public. Marriage is state recognition of a legal bond for a purpose (to ensure procreation)
12 posted on 05/23/2004 5:18:20 PM PDT by Huntingtonian
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To: neverdem
With gay marriage on a roll, it's time to move on to another battle.

I think this fight is far from over.
13 posted on 05/23/2004 5:20:00 PM PDT by Vision (Always Faithful)
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To: neverdem
I can't understand why homosexuality is not stressed as the major cause of transmitting HIV/AIDS in this country by all the public health nannies other than sheer hypocrisy.

Because effing is the major cause, not homosexuality. If we had a constitutional amendment against effing and applicable enforcement it would end the AIDS crisis (of course it would also end the human race, your choice).

14 posted on 05/23/2004 5:22:15 PM PDT by Archangelsk (15 out of 19. The House of Saud must be driven into the desert.)
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To: neverdem

His point is solid-- because we can't win the argument on our fundamental point (that sodomy is wrong), we'll lose the argument. You have to get them to accept that sodomy is wrong before you have any chance at getting them to agree with us on gay marriage.


15 posted on 05/23/2004 5:26:56 PM PDT by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: neverdem
This doesn't mean that America is in cultural decline; no one who saw the response to 9/11 can think we are soft or decadent,

So, he's saying that our will to survive proves we're not soft or decadent? The soft part, maybe I'll give him, although we've been easily turned around on Iraq, so that mitigates what he can actually cash in, but if he thinks that our will to survive proves we're not decadent he's out there.

16 posted on 05/23/2004 5:28:08 PM PDT by AlbionGirl ("E meglio lavorare con qui non ti paga, e no ha parlare con qui non ti capisce!")
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To: neverdem

I checked your link. The most common cause of the spread of HIV is gay male sex; second most common cause (35% v. 42%) is heterosexual sex. Meanwhile, lesbian sexual contact isn't even on the chart; presumably lost in the 1.8% "other". By your logic, we should ban all sex except for lesbian sex.


17 posted on 05/23/2004 5:29:16 PM PDT by Brandon
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To: mcmuffin

Don't listen to Cal Thomas.

He made his millions as a moral crusader, now he tells us that Christians should not get involved in our culture and in politics.

So, Cal, why don't you give back all the speaking fees you made from Right to Life dinners? [$7000 each] And from all your books.


18 posted on 05/23/2004 5:33:29 PM PDT by 11th Earl of Mar
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To: Vision
I think this fight is far from over.

I ABSOLUTELY agree!!

19 posted on 05/23/2004 5:33:42 PM PDT by teletech (Friends don't let friends vote DemocRAT!)
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To: neverdem
The rates of premarital sex, out-of-wedlock births and divorce have soared since the 1950s...

...which is why we are now facing the abomination of gay "marriage". This travesty didn't pop up out of nowhere. It's a progression from the passive/aggressive embracing of heterosexual immorality. Which was a progression from turning from God to the creation (idols). Which was a progression from ingratitude towards the Father. (Read Romans for details.)

Premarital sex/out-of-wedlock births/divorce = Vagabond, fatherless children/spiritual vacuum/increased susceptibility to sexual immorality and perversion.

(Somewhere in this demonic mix belongs the occult explosion of the 60's and 70's, which played a huge part in this cultural nosedive we face.)

20 posted on 05/23/2004 5:42:00 PM PDT by avenir (Jesus is the Way, and every other way is not.)
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