Looks interesting!
How creepy. But if you guys do it, I want to open a strip club and bar on the border. Figure that will rake in millions.
Oh, yeah ... like that worked well with the Articles of Confederation.
Thought you'd find this interesting.
If you could get the 15-20 million Evangelicals who don't vote to vote, it'd make a huge difference.
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Gee wonder why not Seattle?
BTW -- the Canadians are already trying it -- Republic of Alberta Forced to choose, I think I'd prefer blizzards to heat and humidity. It's too bad California can't be salvaged.
Y'all come on down! We'll leave the light on for ya.
For those having a hard time accepting the idea of a "Christian" nation, we might look back and see that South Carolina was established as a Christian State.
From the South Carolina Constitution of 1778
XXXVIII. That all persons and religious societies who acknowledge that there is one God, and a future state of rewards and punishments, and that God is publicly to be worshipped, shall be freely tolerated. The Christian Protestant religion shall be deemed, and is hereby constituted and declared to be, the established religion of this State. That all denominations of Christian Protestants in this State, demeaning themselves peaceably and faithfully, shall enjoy equal religious and civil privileges. To accomplish this desirable purpose without injury to the religious property of those societies of Christians which are by law already incorporated for the purpose of religious worship, and to put it fully into the power of every other society of Christian Protestants, either already formed or hereafter to be formed, to obtain the like incorporation, it is hereby constituted, appointed, and declared that the respective societies of the Church of England that are already formed in this State for the purpose of religious worship shall still continue incorporate and hold the religious property now in their possession. And that whenever fifteen or more male persons, not under twenty-one years of age, professing the Christian Protestant religion, and agreeing to unite themselves in a society for the purposes of religious worship, they shall, (on complying with the terms hereinafter mentioned,) be, and be constituted a church, and be esteemed and regarded in law as of the established religion of the State, and on a petition to the legislature shall be entitled to be incorporated and to enjoy equal privileges. That every society of Christians so formed shall give themselves a name or denomination by which they shall be called and known in law, and all that associate with them for the purposes of worship shall be esteemed as belonging to the society so called. But that previous to the establishment and incorporation of the respective societies of every denomination as aforesaid, and in order to entitle them thereto, each society so petitioning shall have agreed to and subscribed in a book the following five articles, without which no agreement or union of men upon pretence of religion shall entitle them to be incorporated and esteemed as a church of the established religion of this State:
1st. That there is one eternal God, and a future state of rewards and punishments.
2d. That God is publicly to be worshipped.
3d. That the Christian religion is the true religion.
4th. That the holy scriptures of the Old and New Testaments are of divine inspiration, and are the rule of faith and practice.
5th. That it is lawful and the duty of every man being thereunto called by those that govern, to bear witness to the truth.
And that every inhabitant of this State, when called to make an appeal to God as a witness to truth, shall be permitted to do it in that way which is most agreeable to the dictates of his own conscience. And that the people of this State may forever enjoy the right of electing their own pastors or clergy, and at the same time that the State may have sufficient security for the due discharge of the pastoral office, by those who shall be admitted to be clergymen, no person shall officiate as minister of any established church who shall not have been chosen by a majority of the society to which he shall minister, or by persons appointed by the said majority, to choose and procure a minister for them; nor until the minister so chosen and appointed shall have made and subscribed to the following declaration, over and above the aforesaid five articles, viz: "That he is determined by God's grace out of the holy scriptures, to instruct the people committed to his charge, and to teach nothing as required of necessity to eternal salvation but that which he shall be persuaded may be concluded and proved from the scripture; that he will use both public and private admonitions, as well to the sick as to the whole within his cure, as need shall require and occasion shall be given, and that he will be diligent in prayers, and in reading of the same; that he will be diligent to frame and fashion his own self and his family according to the doctrine of Christ, and to make both himself and them, as much as in him lieth, wholesome examples and patterns to the flock of Christ; that he will maintain and set forwards, as much as he can, quietness, peace, and love among all people, and especially among those that are or shall be committed to his charge. No person shall disturb or molest any religious assembly; nor shall use any reproachful, reviling, or abusive language against any church, that being the certain way of disturbing the peace, and of hindering the conversion of any to the truth, by engaging them in quarrels and animosities, to the hatred of the professors, and that profession which otherwise they might be brought to assent to. No person whatsoever shall speak anything in their religious assembly irreverently or seditiously of the government of this State. No person shall, by law, be obliged to pay towards the maintenance and support of a religious worship that he does not freely join in, or has not voluntarily engaged to support. But the churches, chapels, parsonages, glebes, and all other property now belonging to any societies of the Church of England, or any other religious societies, shall remain and be secured to them forever. The poor shall be supported, and elections managed in the accustomed manner, until laws shall be provided to adjust those matters in the most equitable way.
I have a question. What about the people who are already there in South Carolina? What would you do with them? They might not want other people taking over their state.
Interesting idea. Should prove exciting to watch. Best parts - elimination of federal income tax, flipping the bird at the Supreme Court, end of of the NEA.
Surely they could find kindered spirits of a sort by confederating with frustrated Wahhabists who are fed up with corrupt secular leaders like Assad and Mubarak somewhere over in the Middle East.
Why, take a slice out of post-war Iraq or Afghanistan, get to settling that madrass/non-madrass point of contention you two would have (not to forget differences over that whole "Allah is the one true god" thing you'd have to hammer out) and get to shutting yourself off from the putridness produced by the "unbelievers"/"indifels" that you so despise.
On a lighter note, imagine if they'd chosen a state bordering New Hampshire? Think a fundamentalist state bordering on a Libertarian-fueled Free State would get along all that well?
Texas would be a lot smarter choice. It has land. It has a coastline. It has its own energy sources.
In addition, it was a former republic (some claim it still has an "out" clause after joining the union) and it has a lot of people that are already willing to secede from the union for other reasons.
In addition, Texas does not have Fort Sumter so it would not be perceived as a mini-replay of the Civil War.
As a Christian I can't condone rebellion against authority, as God is the one who establishes the powers that be. If you don't believe this, then you don't believe that all power belongs to God. If these misguided souls wish to change things, there are other ways.
It is one thing to decide to take over a state and go about as hardcore as possible for state law, but the complications surrounding succession make that look like child's play.
If money is dried up, how long will people actually stay there? Ft. Jackson for example would be shut down, giving a body blow to Columbus' economy. All the federal agencies would shutter.
Another factor is that South Carolina is one of the top states in receiving back federal dollars. According to the Tax foundation, South Carolina receives $1.34 in federal spending for every $1.00 in taxes it pays. Texas for example just gets $.92 cents back, California $.76 cents.
Not to be trite, but South Carolina is in a sense a welfare state then.. They hand Washington around $21 billion a year, and receive $25 billion back roughly speaking.
They can slash spending, reduce salaries for governmental employees, but starting out a banking system from scratch with the open hostility of the US Government is a recipe for economic devastation.
been there, done that!
one civil war is more than enough.
How goes the campaign to move all the--I forget which group, Libertarians?-- to New Hampshire or Montana to dominate the state's politics? Hope the Christians pick a different state than the Libertarians or whatever because they would destroy each other. There wouldn't be anything left but a few scattered copies of Atlas Shrugged and cartoon pamphlets blowing around the wilderness.
Idaho? ;o)