In 1776 we were united:
Posted on 05/23/2004 11:54:30 PM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
Calling the approval of same-sex marriage in Massachusetts "the straw that broke the camel's back," a group of Christian activists is in the beginning stages of an effort to have one state secede from the United States to become its own sovereign nation.
"Our Christian republic has declined into a pagan democracy," says Cory Burnell, president of ChristianExodus.org, a non-profit corporation based in Tyler, Texas. "There are some issues people just can't take anymore, and [same-sex marriage] might finally wake up the complacent Christians."
Burnell is leading the charge for a peaceful secession of one state from the union, and after originally considering Alabama, Mississippi and South Carolina due to their relatively small populations, coastal access, and the Christian nature of the electorate, Burnell says South Carolina has been selected as the target location.
The plan initially calls for at least 12,000 Christians willing to be active in political campaigns to move to the Palmetto State.
"We're not an invading force, we're reinforcements," Burnell tells WorldNetDaily, saying it would be a waste to move to liberal-minded states such as Massachusetts, New York or California where conservative votes would be diluted.
According to the ChristianExodus website, which is slated for a major relaunch next month, "Christians have actively tried to return our entire land to its moral foundation for more than 20 years. We can categorically say that absolutely nothing has been achieved. If you disagree, consider this:
* Abortion continues against the wishes of many states * Children may not pray in our schools * The Bible is not welcome in schools except under strict federal guidelines
* The 10 Commandments remain banned from public display * Sodomy is now legal and celebrated as 'diversity' rather than perversion
* Preaching Christianity will soon be outlawed as 'hate speech' * Gay marriage will be foisted upon us in the very near future
"All these atrocities continue in spite of the fact that we now have the 'right' people in places of power. Indeed, the occupant of the White House is a professing Christian. The U.S. attorney general is believed to be a devout Christian. 'Conservatives' control both Houses of Congress, and Republican presidents appointed seven of the nine Supreme Court justices."
The idea of moving thousands of people to affect the voting in one state is not new. As WorldNetDaily has previously reported, the Free State Project has goals of restoring certain personal liberties and limited government – but without seceding from the union. Last year, a group of 4,500 libertarians decided New Hampshire would be the best state.
S. Carolina state flag
Burnell, a math teacher and cell-phone dealer, stresses he's not looking for bloody battles that took place in the American Revolution and the Civil War, but is rather seeking a "political divorce."
"It's got to be different today," he says. "It has to be peaceful, brokered."
But he admits if the federal government decides to use military force to stop the effort, "Then it can't happen."
Already a dozen people are actively working on the project, and some 1,500 by e-mails of support have been received.
If all goes according to plan, Burnell is hoping to have a constitutional convention by 2014, with a president of the new nation – still to be known as South Carolina – elected in 2016, which is also a presidential election year in the U.S.
He says the nation would be founded on Christian principles, and the people writing its constitution would have to hash out details to safeguard it as a Christian republic.
For now, Burnell prefers to shy away from specifics on the precise laws governing the country.
"Independence first, details later," he says.
That would make sense....I've felt for some time that the N.East and West coasts are toast, the border states are being overrun with criminal illegals with their Aztlan/reconquista movement, so in order to start the process of re-invigorating the REPUBLIC (and de-constructing this corporate, mob rule DEMOCRACY) an idea like this should be seriously considered.....sooner than later.
Interesting idea. Should prove exciting to watch. Best parts - elimination of federal income tax, flipping the bird at the Supreme Court, end of of the NEA.
It may not happen exactly that way but think about Utah. They have their state and for the most part the Morman's view prevail there. A similar situation could happen in a southern state. I hope it does. I'd consider moving there from Massachusetts. It's getting really weird up here.
It's hard to accept even the possibility of radical change, IMO because people inherently have a small-picture, right-now view of things. Because the nation withstood all challenges and prospered for 200 years, the incredible majority believe it can withstand anything. But it cannot. The United States is a once-great nation now in rapid decline. Without radical change, it will not stand. It cannot stand.
The rot of moral decay has so infected the country that stopping it through conventional methods is all but impossible. As is pointed out in the article up top, perversion and rank immorality are now celebrated, and that's just one of many examples of the rot. I fear we will indeed suffer more big terror strikes, but the rot from within is what will destroy--or directly lead to the destruction of--this country, not the likes of Osama bin Laden.
No one knows what the outcome will be, how things will shakeout when the breaking point is reached, but there's virtually no doubt in my mind that this point will indeed be reached within the next few decades, perhaps sooner.
We could easily reach a state of weakened disarray that a major power like China could exploit with an attack. Should that happen, I fear the only major support we could count on would be, as always, Britain. Or maybe something civil, internal, will erupt. I don't know. I just know that a nation rotting from the inside out will not stand the test of time.
MM
Okay, sounds good. It's the most isolated archipelago on the planet. I'll move there on your behalf. :-)
Look at the bright side -- if California returns to Mexican jurisdiction, the Democrats will lose 54 electoral votes, and they'll never elect a president again.
I don't think anybody realized the implications of Roe v Wade when it was decided. Although even one abortion is wrong, I doubt anyone foresaw a holocaust of 45 million. It took a while for people to wake up and realize what was happening, and by then it was firmly entrenched. But this time around, a large number of people clearly forsee the dire implications of sodomite marriage, right up front, so there's more of chance to get something done.
Secession over Roe would have been perfectly justified.
Still is.
It would only make a difference if there was a difference in the candidates. Either end of the same stick aren't a difference.
Jews are militant about any comment affecting them so they are already covered by pc concepts.
It is only open season on Christians of any stripe but mostly on Christians who practice what they passionately believe.
Idaho, but kick out the few remaining white supremicists first.
In 1776 we were united:
I figure California is just a few disasters away from becoming spacious again. One major earthquake, terrorist attack and economic collapse and a good amount of the population will leave. Then we can start over. No government money=no socialists and no illegals.
Surely they could find kindered spirits of a sort by confederating with frustrated Wahhabists who are fed up with corrupt secular leaders like Assad and Mubarak somewhere over in the Middle East.
Why, take a slice out of post-war Iraq or Afghanistan, get to settling that madrass/non-madrass point of contention you two would have (not to forget differences over that whole "Allah is the one true god" thing you'd have to hammer out) and get to shutting yourself off from the putridness produced by the "unbelievers"/"indifels" that you so despise.
On a lighter note, imagine if they'd chosen a state bordering New Hampshire? Think a fundamentalist state bordering on a Libertarian-fueled Free State would get along all that well?
Texas would be a lot smarter choice. It has land. It has a coastline. It has its own energy sources.
In addition, it was a former republic (some claim it still has an "out" clause after joining the union) and it has a lot of people that are already willing to secede from the union for other reasons.
In addition, Texas does not have Fort Sumter so it would not be perceived as a mini-replay of the Civil War.
Red
If you could get the 15-20 million Evangelicals who don't vote to vote, it'd make a huge difference.
Agree with this one........most of them are so heavenly minded they are no earthly good!!
Rather than retreating from these invaders and cowering in some corner of a room, maybe it's time to face them and keep what is our own?
As a Christian I can't condone rebellion against authority, as God is the one who establishes the powers that be. If you don't believe this, then you don't believe that all power belongs to God. If these misguided souls wish to change things, there are other ways.
Red
Depravity? In a secular system you cannot use such words. A depraved act is defined in context of moral absolutes. In the absence of moral absolutes a depraved act becomes an 'unacceptable' act and that of course can be redefined over time.
I personally think seceding is just the kind of thing to make things worse - not better.
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