Your argument, not mine, is the fallacy of the false disjunct - there is either "your own country" or "an immoral America"
With due respect, that is not the fallacy of a false disjunct. It happens to be a true disjunct, unfortunately. Yours was, in fact, the fallacy of the false disjunct.
You are correct, I have not spent the time reviewing your trancendental argument for secession- my point being, I am an American and a patriot. Nothing CAN trancend that.
Please do so before commmenting on it. The transcendental argument is not one that was designed for secession, but rather one that demonstrates the futility of knowledge claims, morals, laws, etc., apart from God.
It is not an ad hominem attack to point out that your position, your group IS being relegated to the looney bin, when it is.
Yes, that is exactly what an ad hominen argument is. It's dismissing people to the "looney bin" because you cannot win an argument by reason.
Your American Revolution argument - the peaceful vs. armed resistance has a definite proof, that is, America (armed resistance, throwing off the tyrant) vs. Canada (obtaining sovereignty through lack of interest on the part of Britain).
Huh?!? That has nothing to do with the question I asked.
I ask you again: Why --on what basis-- was the American revolution justified? Why would not a secession movement be justified using the same reasons often given for the justification of the American revolution? Please answer this specifically. This question simply must be answered logically point-by-point if your position is to be advanced with any merit.
I assure you that you will not get what you want peacefully - you will be openly mocked (by people like me)
With logical fallacies such as the false disjunct and ad hominem, no doubt.
I strongly recommend that you please get a copy of a book titled INTRODUCTION TO LOGIC by Irving Copi. Please study that book (and/or take a logic course) before further discourse on these forums. Again, that's INTRODUCTION TO LOGIC by Irving Copi. Learn it. Live it. Love it.
and if you abandon the peaceful approach (because it will fail), you will be crushed utterly if you try the armed approach.
Unwarranted assumption.
These are reasoned assessments...
Not hardly, but I'm sincerely waiting.
You fancy yourselves latter day patriots, when you are merely run-of-the-mill hate America secessionists. (again, this is not an ad-hominem comparison - look it up)
Yep, Ad Hominem. I love America, I hate what the marxist-atheist ("secularists") and Rhinos have done to her.
You CAN put your views to productive use through the political process.
There's that fallacy of the false disjunct again. You falsely assume that secession is not part of the political process.
But you think you are special. You're not.
In logic this is known as the "straw man" fallacy (get that textbook by Copi).
Listen, if you can persuade me point-by-point using reason then I will listen. But truth is not determined by majority vote or by logical fallacies such as ad hominem attacks.
Surely, someone who holds your position is willing to engage in a point-by-point logical discussion aimed at pursuasion.
"Surely, someone who holds your position is willing to engage in a point-by-point logical discussion aimed at pursuasion."
You are a poor deluded man. Your position is devoid of logic, so there is no purpose in arguing deluded points.
Your movement will fail. You will likely do damage to those that try to accomplish your goals within the framework of the Constitution.
You are simply wrong about America, but no argument will dissuade you.
I oppose you and everything you are doing, fortunately your movement does not deserve to be taken seriously, and I probably give it too much credit by even engaging in a dialog with you.